Tapes that kill

[Seshmeister]

Still piping in the backing vocals and some additional lead vocals.

I smiled at the comment that 'John5 makes it look easy', it is easy.

[ashstralia]

Nitro, yep acoustic guitars are hard to play well. It’s not a slab with thin strings 1/16” off the frets.
High end guitars hey?
I’ve played them all too, and I’ll put my $3k Takamines up against anything twice the price.

So if Ed didn’t have any acoustics laying around, what’s on spanish fly and could this be magic, in a simple rhyme etc?

[Von Halen]

I hope they are paying J5 well. I assume they are. He looks pretty happy.

Stephen Pearcy just came out and said they're piping in the bass guitar too!

[Terry]

Nitro, yep acoustic guitars are hard to play well. It’s not a slab with thin strings 1/16” off the frets.
High end guitars hey?
I’ve played them all too, and I’ll put my $3k Takamines up against anything twice the price.

So if Ed didn’t have any acoustics laying around, what’s on spanish fly and could this be magic, in a simple rhyme etc?

Ed clearly had a few lying around, although I seem to recall he had borrowed the one he used on Spanish Fly from Ted Templeman according to lore (if I'm remembering the story correctly).

[Terry]

There's a big difference in doing something like The Who did with Baba O'Riley.... if you're doing a set list that only has one or two songs with keyboard parts ("Won't Get Fooled Again" being the other one) then it makes sense to use a track for those two songs, rather than hiring a keyboard player & having extra instruments & equipment to haul around all over the planet for what amounts to a very minor portion of the show. Of course even with technology, these things can sometimes go very bad, if the tracks don't sync up with the live instruments....



On the other hand, Queen has been playing the "opera" section of Bohemian Rhapsody from tape for years, even when Freddie was alive, and they always seemed to pull it off. With all the multi-tracked vocals in that part of the song, it's not hard to guess why. Couldn't reproduce that live... and certainly not with an inferior singer like LAMEbert.

But there's a big difference between that, and doing what Motley Crue & Kiss are doing with their tapes.... which is covering up for the fact that the old farts simply can't play their own songs anymore.

Plus, Queen would walk offstage when the taped 'opera' section played, so there was no miming.

[Terry]

Odd thing about Garth Brooks - at least back in his 90s heyday - was that he was working with two entirely different bands. One for the records & one for the road. I'm assuming the studio musicians were on the payroll of either the producer or Capitol Nashville records. His live band always recreated the songs as good or better than the album versions. You definitely knew Garth wasn't using tracks.... though his live album probably had a few overdubs on it, based on the fact that a few of the songs sounded considerably different than the actual live versions heard in concert.

It was a good show...LOT of musicians onstage, but the sound was spectacular in terms of the mix (keeping in mind this was an outdoor stadium I saw him in) and as near as I can tell everything was being played live by the musicians onstage.

Like I said, I wasn't a particular fan, but I was impressed. Guy did upwards of 2 & 1/2 hours: a LOT of songs and not an overabundance of in-between song patter, either.

[twonabomber]

I hope they are paying J5 well. I assume they are. He looks pretty happy.

He's gone pro on us. No more Beachland shows! lol

[FORD]

[Terry]

Didn't look like they were packing 'em in like sardines in Sao Paulo, audience-wise.

At least Neil managed a stroll across the stage without stumbling or falling off it; with that diminished metric of success, Tubby is hurtling the lowered bar.

[Kristy]

That's liver damage not all out F A T

[Kristy]

How far has Robert Fripp fallen from grace recently? Still, even he plays it better.

[twonabomber]

Didn't look like they were packing 'em in like sardines in Sao Paulo, audience-wise.

At least Neil managed a stroll across the stage without stumbling or falling off it; with that diminished metric of success, Tubby is hurtling the lowered bar.

“This was a show for a much smaller venue”, said a friend as soon as we passed through the access gate to Allianz Parque. That’s because the audience at the stadium to witness what was most likely the last time Def Leppard and Mötley Crüe will ever play in Brazil was around 10,000 people, including all sections with tickets on sale. “I’ve seen B series soccer games gather a lot more people”, he added.

I see the upper sections blocked off, wonder if they ever went on sale or were covered up after weak sales.

[silverfish]

Billy Sheehan Wasn't on DLR 'Skyscraper' Tour — But His Voice Was

Veteran bassist Billy Sheehan wasn't on the road with David Lee Roth during the singer's Skyscraper tour —
but his vocals were.

The four-string virtuoso, who played on Roth's 1986 full-length solo debut Eat 'Em and Smile and 1988's
Skyscraper, said pre-recorded backing tracks were one of his final points of contention before exiting the
band in 1988.

"My last moments with David Lee Roth [were] in the studio," Sheehan told I'm Music Magazine. "We
sang all the background vocals for the Skyscraper tour to be on samples for them to use live, which
went against my grain to start with. And later that day, I had the meeting which ended my relationship
with Dave. Fortunately, I did not go out on that tour with fake vocals. I did sing on that tour, but I did it
digitally. I'm very, very much against faking it."


Full story at:
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/bill...r-tour-vocals/

[Seshmeister]

Wow I didn't know it went back that far.

Maybe they should have also used tapes of his bass too, I remember Matt Bissonette ducked every difficult bit of Sheehan playing on that tour.... A bit disappointing.

[Von Halen]

I agree with Sheehan. I'm sick of all these bands faking it. If I want to listen to the record, I'll listen to the fucking record. They're taking all the charm of a live show, out of the live show.