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    Somewhat related but different investigation, this is what might truly fuck Drumpf:

    Trump CFO’s plea deal could make him a prosecution witness
    By MICHAEL R. SISAK
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    NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump’s chief financial officer is expected to plead guilty to tax violations Thursday in a deal that would require him to testify about illicit business practices at the former president’s company, two people familiar with the matter told The Associated Press.

    Allen Weisselberg is charged with taking more than $1.7 million in off-the-books compensation from the Trump Organization over several years, including untaxed perks like rent, car payments and school tuition.

    The plea deal would require Weisselberg to speak in court Thursday about the company’s role in the alleged compensation arrangement and possibly serve as a witness when the Trump Organization goes on trial in October on related charges, the people said.

    The two people were not authorized to speak publicly about the case and did so on condition of anonymity.

    Weisselberg, 75, is likely to receive a sentence of five months in jail, to be served at New York City’s notorious Rikers Island complex, and he could be required to pay about $2 million in restitution, including taxes, penalties and interest, the people said. If that punishment holds, Weisselberg would be eligible for release after about 100 days.

    Messages seeking comment were left with the Manhattan district attorney’s office and lawyers for Weisselberg and the Trump Organization.

    Weisselberg is the only person to face criminal charges so far in the Manhattan district attorney’s long-running investigation of the company’s business practices.

    Seen as one of Trump’s most loyal business associates, Weisselberg was arrested in July 2021. His lawyers have argued the Democrat-led district attorney’s office was punishing him because he wouldn’t offer information that would damage Trump.

    The district attorney has also been investigating whether Trump or his company lied to banks or the government about the value of its properties to obtain loans or reduce tax bills.

    Former District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr., who started the investigation, last year directed his deputies to present evidence to a grand jury and seek an indictment of Trump, according to former prosecutor Mark Pomerantz, who previously led the probe.

    But after Vance left office, his successor, Alvin Bragg, allowed the grand jury to disband without charges. Both prosecutors are Democrats. Bragg has said the investigation is continuing.

    The Trump Organization is not involved in Weisselberg’s expected guilty plea Thursday and is scheduled to be tried in the alleged compensation scheme in October.

    Prosecutors alleged that the company gave untaxed fringe benefits to senior executives, including Weisselberg, for 15 years. Weisselberg alone was accused of defrauding the federal government, state and city out of more than $900,000 in unpaid taxes and undeserved tax refunds.

    Under state law, punishment for the most serious charge against Weisselberg, grand larceny, could carry a penalty as high as 15 years in prison. But the charge carries no mandatory minimum, and most first-time offenders in tax-related cases never end up behind bars.

    The tax fraud charges against the Trump Organization are punishable by a fine of double the amount of unpaid taxes, or $250,000, whichever is larger.

    Trump has not been charged in the criminal probe. The Republican has decried the New York investigations as a “political witch hunt,” has said his company’s actions were standard practice in the real estate business and in no way a crime.

    Last week, Trump sat for a deposition in New York Attorney General Letitia James’ parallel civil investigation into allegations Trump’s company misled lenders and tax authorities about asset values. Trump invoked his Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination more than 400 times.

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    He really looks the part doesn't he...?
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    You people need to seek help for your TDS.
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    Clinically speaking, TDS refers to the Trump supporters still supporting Trump after all they’ve seen and heard. Simply a narcissist who tried to destroy democracy and replace it with autocracy. Why is that so difficult to see and yet so easy to accept?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushroom View Post
    Clinically speaking, TDS refers to the Trump supporters still supporting Trump after all they’ve seen and heard. Simply a narcissist who tried to destroy democracy and replace it with autocracy. Why is that so difficult to see and yet so easy to accept?
    Lies. All lies. You definitely need to seek help for your TDS. Let the man live his retirement in peace. Quit obsessing over him. None of us NObama haters are still obsessing over that piece of shit. Yet you motherfuckers can't let go of Trump. He owns you. It's hilarious. That motherfucker is the greatest puppetmaster in history. And the Libtards are his puppets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Any time I see any comments from Fox News or similar no one seems to remember to mention that Trump appointed the head of the FBI.
    ....and also the judge who issued the warrant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Lies. All lies. You definitely need to seek help for your TDS. Let the man live his retirement in peace. Quit obsessing over him. None of us NObama haters are still obsessing over that piece of shit. Yet you motherfuckers can't let go of Trump. He owns you. It's hilarious. That motherfucker is the greatest puppetmaster in history. And the Libtards are his puppets.

    Well, on the bright side, at least you're not in the Scientology cult...yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Lies. All lies. You definitely need to seek help for your TDS. Let the man live his retirement in peace. Quit obsessing over him. None of us NObama haters are still obsessing over that piece of shit. Yet you motherfuckers can't let go of Trump. He owns you. It's hilarious. That motherfucker is the greatest puppetmaster in history. And the Libtards are his puppets.
    Yet he's playing you like a fiddle another sign of TDS. You Trumpets think anyone anti-Trump is pro... _____ (fill in the blank)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Well, on the bright side, at least you're not in the Scientology cult...yet.
    I've heard that Xenu is a big fan of the Orange Anus......


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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Lies. All lies. You definitely need to seek help for your TDS. Let the man live his retirement in peace. Quit obsessing over him. None of us NObama haters are still obsessing over that piece of shit. Yet you motherfuckers can't let go of Trump. He owns you. It's hilarious. That motherfucker is the greatest puppetmaster in history. And the Libtards are his puppets.
    You need to clear your cookies and stop the algorithms fucking with you.

    Seriously do a google search for something political like 'did Trump win the election' on your usual phone/PC then go somewhere else and do the same thing again and compare the results.

    It's really fucking insidious. I had someone here with no interest usually or knowledge at all in US politics never mind Asia start ranting on to me about 'that bitch visiting Taiwan'. Weird shit when some average guy in Scotland suddenly has a pro Chinese government agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushroom View Post
    Clinically speaking, TDS refers to the Trump supporters still supporting Trump after all they’ve seen and heard. Simply a narcissist who tried to destroy democracy and replace it with autocracy. Why is that so difficult to see and yet so easy to accept?
    And the fact that he's an intellectually lazy bumbling stupid ignorant fuck, the thing that really appeals to his supporters. Someone they can relate to...

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    Quote Originally Posted by von halen View Post
    lies. All lies. You definitely need to seek help for your tds. Let the man live his retirement in peace. Quit obsessing over him. None of us nobama haters are still obsessing over that piece of shit. Yet you motherfuckers can't let go of trump. He owns you. It's hilarious. That motherfucker is the greatest puppetmaster in history. And the libtards are his puppets.
    Lock him up!!!!

    Karma is a bitch motherfuckers....

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    Safe to say that Trump should probably avoid going hunting with Cheney any time soon...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    That motherfucker is the greatest puppetmaster in history.
    We can agree on that...

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    Gotta laugh at the irony of Darth Cheney complaining about Cheeto trying to steal the 2020 election... when he stole the 2000 & 2004 elections and got away with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Lies. All lies. You definitely need to seek help for your TDS. Let the man live his retirement in peace. Quit obsessing over him. None of us NObama haters are still obsessing over that piece of shit. Yet you motherfuckers can't let go of Trump. He owns you. It's hilarious. That motherfucker is the greatest puppetmaster in history. And the Libtards are his puppets.
    The greatest troll in history and the world desperately needed to be trolled. Look at all the pond scum that got stirred up from the bottom. Now the stink is in the air for all to smell. The insider game no longer matters. Public opinion gets the final laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Gotta laugh at the irony of Darth Cheney complaining about Cheeto trying to steal the 2020 election... when he stole the 2000 & 2004 elections and got away with it.
    Like I said. Pond scum getting stirred. Dick was hiding so well you didn’t even see him around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    You people need to seek help for your TDS.
    Great trolls live rent free in people’s heads.

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    Now Dick and Liz can hunker together in their Jackson hole bunker, peddling their pablum to whatever outlets (WSJ editorial page, NY Post editorial page, National Review online, Fox news) still care to publish it. Liz was always a faint carbon copy of her father anyway in terms of influence.
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    I see the Democrats and underlying establishment power brokers as really poor strategists in all this... If they are thinking that playing up Trump as the evil enemy will motivate their base to prevail in the mid-terms, this could backfire terribly for them in a few simple outcome scenarios.

    1. They succeed in tarnishing Trump enough to prevent him from running in 2024... the current motivations and methods in this has raised some serious questions on using the DOJ & FBI as a political weapon. Sure, it fires up the far left and right but... a lot of independents and people in the moderate middle are questioning these tactics and the methods being applied. Even with Trump out... I don't see that generating a shift in the Democrat's favor. Just the opposite as many moderates don't want to see our institutions used in such a manner and have little appetite for the mismanagement of the country under the current leadership. Trump out... very few have an interest in the Biden admin bumbling through another 4 years and who do they got to fill that hole?

    2. This current mess continues to dominate current events for months with no meaningful outcome. Trump plays the martyr card and continues to fire up the right and both sides further disgust the moderate middle while Trump remains non-committal on running again in 2024. This thing festers on and the Dems/establishment pull more desperate moves to undermine Trump. The mid-terms result in the predicted power shift to Republicans in both the House and Senate. At the right timing when things are heated up... Trump announces he's not running. This will create a huge vacuum sucking the air out of the Left and Democrats... opening up an even bigger swing Right with strong candidates such as Pence and/or Desantis into the mix. Again the Dems got Biden and the current mess... who are they going to field in 2024?

    3. Republicans take the mid-terms... Trump runs, but gets beat out by either Pence or Desantis in the Primaries. The Left and Dems have this mess they created and who are they going to bring up..? Mayor Pete? Harris? Hilary?

    Is there a viable strategy that can turn any of this in favor of the current leadership that most of the country could support?
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    As someone who has never voted Republican on a national level, I can say that the Establishment of the Democratic Party has spent the last thirty years aping or co-opting the Republican Party, always moving more toward the center than actually standing for what they say they do when it comes to legislation. There haven't been any moonshot landmark legislative reforms that smack of traditional liberalism, just tinkering with Titanic deck chairs a la ACA. Or hard left social woke chatter that puts off far more people than it attracts.

    I'm of the mind that if Trump has committed crimes, he should be prosecuted for them. Real world, however, you must be able to prove them in a court of law. And even if Trump is convicted on a felony, there is contention as to if that precludes him from running in 2024. I don't know how solid Trump's support in the party is now. He still has his base, but along the same lines of what ZahZoo says re: moderates and independents, those folks who voted for him in 2016 and 2020...I wonder how many of them are now ready to move on from Trump after what happened on January 6th, 2021. Yes, they may not ever vote for Biden or any other Democratic candidate but would prefer (as ZahZoo says) a Pence or a DeSantis. Basically, Trumpism in terms of the policies minus all of the extraneous distraction Trump himself brings.

    I'm not sure what the viable strategy is regarding Trump that can turn enough moderates and independents toward Biden or the Democratic Party. It's this slightly odd mod/ind segment of voters who voted for Obama twice and went on to vote for Trump twice, yet also say they like what Sanders stands for. I can't figure these folks out beyond the obvious that they don't favor typical politicians. Once gender, ethnicity and sexual orientation are removed from the equation, Mayor Pete, Harris and Hillary are all typical establishment politicians. Obama turned out to be a typical establishment politician. Trump isn't a typical establishment politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Gotta laugh at the irony of Darth Cheney complaining about Cheeto trying to steal the 2020 election... when he stole the 2000 & 2004 elections and got away with it.
    True. Only diffy being Cheney was smart enough to manipulate the Supreme Court and surrounded himself with educated yes men instead of conspiratorial Reptilian shape-shifting believing morons. He pro-actively fucked with voting machines and built upon their flaws instead of making shit up after an election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I see the Democrats and underlying establishment power brokers as really poor strategists in all this... If they are thinking that playing up Trump as the evil enemy will motivate their base to prevail in the mid-terms, this could backfire terribly for them in a few simple outcome scenarios.
    You watch way too much Fox News


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    2. This current mess continues to dominate current events for months with no meaningful outcome. Trump plays the martyr card and continues to fire up the right and both sides further disgust the moderate middle while Trump remains non-committal on running again in 2024. This thing festers on and the Dems/establishment pull more desperate moves to undermine Trump. The mid-terms result in the predicted power shift to Republicans in both the House and Senate. At the right timing when things are heated up... Trump announces he's not running. This will create a huge vacuum sucking the air out of the Left and Democrats... opening up an even bigger swing Right with strong candidates such as Pence and/or Desantis into the mix. Again the Dems got Biden and the current mess... who are they going to field in 2024?
    It's moire than likely the Republicans will take back the Senate and the Dems will retain the House - both by narrow margins. Ol' orange F A T T Y does not hold the sway he used to and many old guard Republicans see him as a liability rather than asset. Ol' orange F A T T Y will run on the condition of taking money from his rubes but will have no chance of wining knowing is legal battles will hound him for the rest of his miserable life. The only way the Republicans can hold all power - combined with the highly right-wing Supreme Court is by dumping ol' orange F A T T Y and installing someone who knows how government works to permanently bring about an autocratic/fascistic police state. Then and only then can Republicans dismantle the Constitution (especially the separation of church and state) gut Social Security, Medicare/caid, go after 401K's, pensions, HSA's, abolish public education, build more prisons, give more public and private lands to corporations, privatize transportation, and attack civil rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    The Left and Dems have this mess they created and who are they going to bring up..? Mayor Pete? Harris? Hilary?
    Which mess is that? Governing in the aftermath of ol' orange F A T T Y? The only mess I see the Dems have created is that they are too lazy and too smug to fight for those who voted them into power. Seeing Biden is a one-termer (and he is) he will not run in 2024. I personally think he is incapable of being in office and yes, it is his age

    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Is there a viable strategy that can turn any of this in favor of the current leadership that most of the country could support?
    The only way that can happen is to do away with the electoral college. Until that happens this country will continue to have inept leaders such as Biden and ol' orange F A T T Y in another rinse and repeat election cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Which mess is that? Governing in the aftermath of ol' orange F A T T Y? The only mess I see the Dems have created is that they are too lazy and too smug to fight for those who voted them into power. Seeing Biden is a one-termer (and he is) he will not run in 2024. I personally think he is incapable of being in office and yes, it is his age.

    The only way that can happen is to do away with the electoral college. Until that happens this country will continue to have inept leaders such as Biden and ol' orange F A T T Y in another rinse and repeat election cycle
    If your only way to win is changing the election rules in your favor then you have nothing of value to offer... What mess? Do you really want a leadership based from the liberal population centers that bought into defund the police and now suffering the current crime waves leading? Look at the infrastructure collapsing in these urban waste lands... homeless populations explosions... what mess indeed.

    Do you really think most in this country want to elect more idiots who believe that a person born with a penis and testicles can get fucking pregnant..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post

    Do you really think most in this country want to elect more idiots who believe that a person born with a penis and testicles can get fucking pregnant..?
    Last time I saw NickDelusional he looked pregnant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Last time I saw NickDelusional he looked pregnant.
    We can't all have that slimming AIDS and Monkey Pox Von along with your other associated social diseases, you ass-fetlching cunt...

    Okay I'm chubby. I also bench press 400+ lbs. and work out though not nearly enough cardio and I still pull 20+ year old girls! Suck on that you socially awkward aging diseased gayboi!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I see the Democrats and underlying establishment power brokers as really poor strategists in all this... If they are thinking that playing up Trump as the evil enemy will motivate their base to prevail in the mid-terms, this could backfire terribly for them in a few simple outcome scenarios.
    Well Zah, I guess a lot like the other really old people here, like Von, you watch Fox News a lot. I know, I know, you really don't you don't "really" watch but just happen to parrot their talking points. In fact it's quite usual for the party in control of the White House to lose congress seats. But yet through the slavish Trump cunt licking and the incessant drive to put Catholic white people on the Supreme Court, it seems they GOP may be fucking itself harder than Von Halen at a Boy Scout Jamboree!


    1. They succeed in tarnishing Trump enough to prevent him from running in 2024... the current motivations and methods in this has raised some serious questions on using the DOJ & FBI as a political weapon. Sure, it fires up the far left and right but... a lot of independents and people in the moderate middle are questioning these tactics and the methods being applied. Even with Trump out... I don't see that generating a shift in the Democrat's favor. Just the opposite as many moderates don't want to see our institutions used in such a manner and have little appetite for the mismanagement of the country under the current leadership. Trump out... very few have an interest in the Biden admin bumbling through another 4 years and who do they got to fill that hole?
    Are you fucking kidding? LMFAO! That would be great!

    The DOJ/FBI as a "political weapon"? At the VERY WORST the current administration would be doing what Trump was trying to do but was thankfully thwarted. I was actually in the military with a Top Secret clearance. What do you think might have happened if the National Archives genteelly and respectfully requested I return documents I took years ago and I essentially, by malice or incompetence, only partially returned the haul? I think I might be in prison along with Manning and the other little people that also committed espionage. But according to Zah, a president is essentially a dictator that can subvert laws and do whatever he wants. Turmp was in fact given "fair warning" by a DOJ and Nat'l Archives in January. But the dumb assholes from the burbs will still cry tranny and storm the capital again and threaten valiant and patriotic FBI agents when they fucking flay blue flags and vow never to defund police. Morons...

    But tell me specifically how Biden is "mismanaging" things. I am also not happy with him and think he should hang it up after this term and turn it to someone younger than Trump, you and Von. But most of the meme bullshit is exactly that! Biden didn't sign a pact with the Taliban, your boys did! He isn't responsible for supply shortages and the fact that the oil and gas industry geared itself to people not driving during a pandemic lockdown and gas prices are high all over the Western World.

    But hey the stock market is going back up and Von can afford his AIDS meds again if he doesn't decide to form a rightwing militia of fellow gayboi's and kidnap Democratic politicians...

    2. This current mess continues to dominate current events for months with no meaningful outcome. Trump plays the martyr card and continues to fire up the right and both sides further disgust the moderate middle while Trump remains non-committal on running again in 2024. This thing festers on and the Dems/establishment pull more desperate moves to undermine Trump. The mid-terms result in the predicted power shift to Republicans in both the House and Senate. At the right timing when things are heated up... Trump announces he's not running. This will create a huge vacuum sucking the air out of the Left and Democrats... opening up an even bigger swing Right with strong candidates such as Pence and/or Desantis into the mix. Again the Dems got Biden and the current mess... who are they going to field in 2024?
    Trump's "martyr card" only fires up the assholes that voted for him the first time, which is always a minority of the electorate.

    Pence? Desantis? LMFAO!!!! A wax dummy right wing closet gay (like Von) and a total fucking unlikeable asshole by everyone not fucking retarded or born in Florida (same thing really). Good luck!!!!

    3. Republicans take the mid-terms... ...
    AHAHAHAHA!!!! Already fucking up that wet dream with the fucking asshole policies like overturning RoevWade is showing the American people. The permanent party of opposition of angry old white people seeking to overturn elections they can no longer win....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    You watch way too much Fox News
    He's old. They do that.

    It's moire than likely the Republicans will take back the Senate and the Dems will retain the House
    Actually looking about 50/50 at this point...

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-polls...100037527.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    If your only way to win is changing the election rules in your favor then you have nothing of value to offer...

    So all that Republican voter suppression and gerrymandering isn't good enough for you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    What mess? Do you really want a leadership based from the liberal population centers that bought into defund the police and now suffering the current crime waves leading?
    Okay, name me one police department was defunded. Go on. Name me one cop who didn't get his Gestapo riot uniform this year. If anything , Biden gave MORE MONEY to police than ol' orange F A T T Y ever did.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Look at the infrastructure collapsing in these urban waste lands... homeless populations explosions... what mess indeed.
    Yes, just look at it. You do know the Republicans killed the Infrastructure Bill simply because there were no provisions to privatize, roads, bridges, waterways, ports, and the internet. You think yo're paying a lot for tolls now, wait until Turtle Boy gives that over to greedy corporations. Homeless populations exploding due to Republicans killing mental health treatment, foreign greedy landlords (liek ol' orange F A T T Y's RuZZian buttbuddies) skyrocketing rent prices, financial inequality and Republicans killing any measures for wage increases.


    Get the fuck out of here with your dated, boring and irrelevant Kremlin-owned Fox Spews boiler plate propaganda. You're just another middle-aged white guy who feels entitled to his bigotry ans plays the victim like a child. Like your ol' orange F A T T Y fascist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Okay, name me one police department was defunded. Go on. Name me one cop who didn't get his Gestapo riot uniform this year. If anything , Biden gave MORE MONEY to police than ol' orange F A T T Y ever did.



    Yes, just look at it. You do know the Republicans killed the Infrastructure Bill simply because there were no provisions to privatize, roads, bridges, waterways, ports, and the internet. You think yo're paying a lot for tolls now, wait until Turtle Boy gives that over to greedy corporations. Homeless populations exploding due to Republicans killing mental health treatment, foreign greedy landlords (liek ol' orange F A T T Y's RuZZian buttbuddies) skyrocketing rent prices, financial inequality and Republicans killing any measures for wage increases.


    Get the fuck out of here with your dated, boring and irrelevant Kremlin-owned Fox Spews boiler plate propaganda. You're just another middle-aged white guy who feels entitled to his bigotry ans plays the victim like a child. Like your ol' orange F A T T Y fascist.
    Cities that defunded police = New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Seattle, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Baltimore and a dozen other cities have all also reduced police spending.

    Infrastructure Bill: H.R.3684 - Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act became law on 11/15/2021. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...ouse-bill/3684

    If you are gonna argue... at least check a few facts, dumbass. At least Wiki-Nick brings more to his political banter....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Cities that defunded police = New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Seattle, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Baltimore and a dozen other cities have all also reduced police spending.

    Infrastructure Bill: H.R.3684 - Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act became law on 11/15/2021. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...ouse-bill/3684

    If you are gonna argue... at least check a few facts, dumbass. At least Wiki-Nick brings more to his political banter....
    Reduced does not mean "defunded"


    You're the dumbass and the Republicans killed much of that Bill


    So...that makes you the dumbass.




    A Kremlin-propagandized dumbass at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Cities that defunded police = New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Seattle, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Baltimore and a dozen other cities have all also reduced police spending.
    These are all local decisions and have nothing to do with Biden. The US had seen police budgets bloat by 40% in the last few decades with police pay and the militarization of dept's being the biggest liabilities. Many of the budget cuts have little to do with "defunding police" and more to do with post-pandemic restructuring and many Red areas where Democrats have made inroads politically the funding for police has actually increased overall...

    here's a blurb from Bloomberg:

    Disparities in policing came into full view on Jan. 6 as a predominantly white mob of President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol in a bid to overturn the results of the presidential election. Videos emerged of officers appearing to open barricades for rioters, offering a stark contrast to scenes from summer protests, where largely peaceful demonstrators were met at times with brutal force.

    Police budgets will expand this year even in cities like Atlanta, Omaha and Phoenix, where Democrats picked up more votes in the 2020 presidential race versus 2016. Out of 42 major cities where Democrats gained share, 24 increased police spending for fiscal 2021, while 18 made cuts.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...olice-funding/


    Infrastructure Bill: H.R.3684 - Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act became law on 11/15/2021. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...ouse-bill/3684

    If you are gonna argue... at least check a few facts, dumbass. At least Wiki-Nick brings more to his political banter....
    I'm touching myself Zah! Thanks buddy..

    But seriously. "defunding police" doesn't necessarily mean spending less, it means redirecting funds towards social services and medical personnel as opposed to expensive cops...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Reduced does not mean "defunded"


    You're the dumbass and the Republicans killed much of that Bill


    So...that makes you the dumbass.


    This is correct. Defunded can mean redirection of funds to other areas rather than to the goons getting lots of overtime. Many departments would have cut and redirected funds Irregardless of what happened to George Floyd and the resulting fallout simply because of the lessons learned from the pandemic have increased efficiency.

    The only police department ever actually defunded was the one in New Jersey where they essentially used the "defunding" as a union-busting tactic to recreate a whole new department with lower paid officers devoid of the muscle memory of systemic corruption. And it seems to have worked very well as crime dropped by a lot, but now they are gradually paying the police more so mixed. HEY! If we call "defunding police" "UNION BUSTING", maybe a lot of Republicans will get on board!!!! I can see the Koch Bother ads now!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post

    But seriously. "defunding police" doesn't necessarily mean spending less, it means redirecting funds towards social services and medical personnel as opposed to expensive cops...
    I realize McDonald's is paying you better these days to ask "Would you like fries with that?", but the starting pay for a police officer in the city that's worse than most third world Countries, Detroit, is $40k. Hardly "expensive" for someone that literally leaves their family every day, knowing they might not return.

    You're a dumbfuck socialist Libtard that would rather see welfare sponging scum make more money by doing nothing, than the police do by risking their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    These are all local decisions and have nothing to do with Biden. The US had seen police budgets bloat by 40% in the last few decades with police pay and the militarization of dept's being the biggest liabilities. Many of the budget cuts have little to do with "defunding police" and more to do with post-pandemic restructuring and many Red areas where Democrats have made inroads politically the funding for police has actually increased overall...

    I'm touching myself Zah! Thanks buddy..

    But seriously. "defunding police" doesn't necessarily mean spending less, it means redirecting funds towards social services and medical personnel as opposed to expensive cops...
    Yes, local decisions by governors, mayors, plus city/county leaders... They are the ones who control the budgets for local police. I also am aware that Biden, himself, doesn't support defunding police... but it's predominantly Democratic elected officials who have driven the spending cuts. I'm not implying Biden is responsible... I was implying Democratic/Liberal leadership in the areas mentioned were driving this and that the spike in crime is directly attributable to those policies.

    Thank you for clarifying what "defunding" means... I'm not sure why you felt it was necessary, as it's a very simple concept that even Kristy could grasp.

    There's 2 things I agree with you on... party on Nick...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post

    Thank you for clarifying what "defunding" means... I'm not sure why you felt it was necessary, as it's a very simple concept that even Kristy could grasp.

    Oh, do fuck off. You're another middle-aged white guy eyeball fucked on Fox Spews which has led you down the path of self-victimhood. I told your sorry ass to tell me of ONE police department that was "defunded" and you failed to do so. By the way a lot police budget cuts were done by referendum on why in the fuck should police get military-grade hardware at the expense of other municipal workers who have been living with austerity measures because middle-aged white men like you fear immigrants? Do you even know how a democracy works? Or do you want to live in a MAGA fascist/police state? Like Von's stupid statement how much should a cop with a 2-year associate degree in law enforcement with a G.P.A. of 2.0 with the I.Q. of a fish tank earn in a year?


    As for crime rate increases - most of which is a dramatic increase in the murder rate is due to the ease and availability of guns goes back to your Kremlin-controlled GOP who flat out refuses to pass and sensible gun laws that keep such weapons out of the hands of people like me. You're a bigot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I realize McDonald's is paying you better these days to ask "Would you like fries with that?", but the starting pay for a police officer in the city that's worse than most third world Countries, Detroit, is $40k. Hardly "expensive" for someone that literally leaves their family every day, knowing they might not return.

    You're a dumbfuck socialist Libtard that would rather see welfare sponging scum make more money by doing nothing, than the police do by risking their lives.
    Defunding local police just opens things up to having a national police force. It puts all the police power under the control of the federal government. That’s the real objective.

    The more people you have on welfare the more captive voters you have. I lived in New York. You would see the chartered busses in the welfare projects on Election Day bussing people to the polls. People don’t bite the hand that feeds them.

    It’s about power. Nothing more. It’s about staying in power by having enough dependent surfs depending on you to give them something. It’s why sanctuary cities are a thing. Come on in and be a surf. It ruins every city this type of thing takes place in. The thing is it eventually collapses because someone has to pay for it. All the productive people leave. You end up with a political ruling class who are rich and a bunch of surfs on a captive voting plantation. Nobody is making anything or providing any kind of productive service other than selling drugs or blowjobs.

    If you know Detroit, you know the drill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Defunding local police just opens things up to having a national police force.
    Like Federal Marshals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    It puts all the police power under the control of the federal government. That’s the real objective.
    Considering local police departments get little to no finding at the Federal level once again, you have no idea what in the fuck you are talking about

    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The more people you have on welfare the more captive voters you have.
    Huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I lived in New York. You would see the chartered busses in the welfare projects on Election Day bussing people to the polls. People don’t bite the hand that feeds them.
    You never lived in New York. You never seen charted "election welfare busses" either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    It’s about power. Nothing more. It’s about staying in power by having enough dependent surfs depending on you to give them something. It’s why sanctuary cities are a thing. Come on in and be a surf. It ruins every city this type of thing takes place in. The thing is it eventually collapses because someone has to pay for it. All the productive people leave. You end up with a political ruling class who are rich and a bunch of surfs on a captive voting plantation. Nobody is making anything or providing any kind of productive service other than selling drugs or blowjobs.

    If you know Detroit, you know the drill.

    I swear, the more shit you post the more fucking retarded you become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I realize McDonald's is paying you better these days to ask "Would you like fries with that?", but the starting pay for a police officer in the city that's worse than most third world Countries, Detroit, is $40k. Hardly "expensive" for someone that literally leaves their family every day, knowing they might not return.

    You're a dumbfuck socialist Libtard that would rather see welfare sponging scum make more money by doing nothing, than the police do by risking their lives.
    Well Von, I know you aren't really very intelligent and it's sort of hard to explain things to you. Not gonna bother to look up Detroit but I', guessing the cops that patrol your lily white suburbia hell probably make a lot more than that. In Buffalo the BPD starting salary ($48k I think) isn't great either but it quickly bloats upward with things like "overtime". And after a few years most cops (about 50%) here are averaging around $76-77,000 a year. This with almost as many police making 85-100K as there are those making near the bottom new salary and above. This while often working flex schedules that can be 3-4 days on with the same off, giving them plenty of times to do gig work as security guys if they want. You've been to the greater Buffalo-Niagara area and perhaps like many living elsewhere have commented to me that we seem to have way more cops per person than nearly anywhere else. It's a comment I hear every so often...

    I have the upmost respect for cops risking their lives and actually want to make their jobs EASIER by not having to be fucking social workers and mental health outreach personnel. The police should ideally serve as security for such people...

    But of course right wing shitheads like you are about the blueflag thin-blue-line stuff unless its the Capital Police and the FBI, then you violent dumbcunts threaten them after all over your vitriol against BLM or antifa crap! Get that thru your fucking Jeri curled mulleted head!!

    Feel free to tell me how I can make more by sponging welfare, seems like a good gig but hard to get, I'm pretty sure welfare is like $400-500 A MONTH here, with another $200 on the rockin food stamps. High on the hog! The only thing I got was the stimulus (like you) and the unemployment supplement during COVID before going back to work. It was sweet!
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