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    Roth Lives! Ain't Talkin' Bout Love - David Lee Roth Studio Live



    Recorded in May 2022
    Henson Studios
    Los Angeles, CA

    Al Estrada: Guitar
    Ryan Wheeler: Bass
    Francis Valentino: Drums

    Recorded by Tom Syrowski
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    I'm digging it yeah. Its what it says it is. Much like Panama. This is live in the studio.

    Dave sounds alright to my ears.
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    Why is Dave doing this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Why is Dave doing this?
    It could mean a few things.

    Dave could very well be releasing this as an actual product. DLR - Studio Live.

    Or he's just giving us some free stuff via youtube etc

    Or this is his way of saying "I'm not dead yet" hence "Roth Lives!"

    Whatever it is Dave never really does things without reason or motivation.

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    I think maybe that Gene Simmons thing really got under his skin.
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    Boring.
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    Maybe Dave can't really perform on stage anymore or maybe he can. I don't know.

    But let's be honest, Sharon can drag out a Parkinson Ozzy on stage and have him lip sync; Paul Stanley goes out and lipsyncs, Vince Neil goes out does his thing (still fat though), Joe Elliot at times having trouble holding a note but looks like Martha Stewart and Jon Bon Jovi butchering his own songs ..... what's stopping Dave from going back out??

    He can still do it judging by these Studio Live sessions. Some backing tapes featuring Mike on his last tour helped.

    There are several festivals that would love to have him on their bill if its not a tour on his own.

    Dave has to get creative though. The classic promo shots on these Studio Live releases is a start. Ok, put that on a new T shirt. There are tons of young people out there who would buy and wear it. Dave doesn't have to dress up and try to look like classic Dave - but he can still sell it.
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    Dave has better control of his baritone and bass range, and he actually sounds good. He should limit himself... the warning light needs to come on once he's getting in the high end of the tenor range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushroom View Post
    Dave has better control of his baritone and bass range, and he actually sounds good. He should limit himself... the warning light needs to come on once he's getting in the high end of the tenor range.
    I think what happens is when he's in a groove and wants to let out a classic Dave scream, he tries but then what comes out is garbly goo.

    We've all tried it. Singing along to CVH in the car or wherever and then trying to do those screams. What comes out doesnt sound good. Lol

    Dave doesn't have the scream anymore so when he tries it, a garbled yell comes out.

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    This is the most accurate I’ve heard Dave sing Ain’t Talkin Bout Love in decades. Even the chlorides “my love is rotten to the core.” Estrada sounds very good but yeah the drums are so non-descript and cookie cutter it drags the sound a bit. Still fun! Awesome to know that Dave can still bring it vocally if he wants to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    I think what happens is when he's in a groove and wants to let out a classic Dave scream, he tries but then what comes out is garbly goo.

    We've all tried it. Singing along to CVH in the car or wherever and then trying to do those screams. What comes out doesnt sound good. Lol

    Dave doesn't have the scream anymore so when he tries it, a garbled yell comes out.
    Yes exactly why I am not a singer. So I give him A for effort.

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    Hard to tell. He seems to just do things on a whim without a real endgame in mind. That’s all the way back to the beginning of his solo career. If he had really stuck with that band and made an effort he could’ve maintained some relevancy.

    But it could be a way to prime people for a renewal of his Vegas shows. Or just planting a flag and saying “hey I can still do this.” Who knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushroom View Post
    Boring.
    Sounds like a high school cover band on talent night.


    Roth has money. He can afford a retirement home where he can't hurt nobody
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Why is Dave doing this?
    To "platform" himself.


    Like, DUH!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Sounds like a high school cover band on talent night.


    Roth has money. He can afford a retirement home where he can't hurt nobody
    And a couple of hot AF nurses to boot!

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    Both look like Ivanka Trump. Gross

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    More Fake News™...

    Skip to the 17:20 mark and hear how it really should sound live

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Why is Dave doing this?
    Simple answer... Insanity.

    The act of doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result. In this case, with 75% substandard content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Simple answer... Insanity.

    The act of doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result. In this case, with 75% substandard content.
    Come on Zah.

    Just relax and enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Why is Dave doing this?
    I think its kind of like the vibe around here..he just cant or wont let it go..Much like a Sammy interview..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairwrning View Post
    I think its kind of like the vibe around here..he just cant or wont let it go..Much like a Sammy interview..
    Done it for so long can't even entertain the thought of stopping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Come on Zah.

    Just relax and enjoy.
    I'm relaxed... just not enjoying this. The wealth of what could be done by this man far exceeds the value proposition of anything of interest he could derive from these recordings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasonL View Post
    Hard to tell. He seems to just do things on a whim without a real endgame in mind. That’s all the way back to the beginning of his solo career. If he had really stuck with that band and made an effort he could’ve maintained some relevancy.

    But it could be a way to prime people for a renewal of his Vegas shows. Or just planting a flag and saying “hey I can still do this.” Who knows
    You nailed it. It's like his Tattoo skin product line. I think Dave had some great ideas but he didn't carry it through. Dave is short bursts of brilliance but he's so eccentric he's all over the place and tends to self-destruct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Simple answer... Insanity.

    The act of doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result. In this case, with 75% substandard content.

    Well the VH road crew did have to restrain Dave with a straight jacket. Ha! Ha! Who knows what's going to happen when Dr. Rockso gets wound up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushroom View Post
    Yes exactly why I am not a singer. So I give him A for effort.
    I always like to go see Cheap Trick when I can and every time without fail Robin Zander always sounds great. He's no spring chicken and those guys are always on the road. That's a lot of singing. I don't know how his does it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    I think what happens is when he's in a groove and wants to let out a classic Dave scream, he tries but then what comes out is garbly goo.

    We've all tried it. Singing along to CVH in the car or wherever and then trying to do those screams. What comes out doesnt sound good. Lol

    Dave doesn't have the scream anymore so when he tries it, a garbled yell comes out.
    He went from a groupie giving him a finger up the ass during a blow job to an old dude groaning during a prostate exam.

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    I'm sorry. I just don't see the point of these releases. I'm definitely not putting on one of these recordings instead of the original versions. Hell, I'm not even putting one of these on over the live bootleg versions from the 80's.

    I just don't get him doing this. If it is to prove he can still sing, then fucking go do it in front of an audience. Or go doctor up that abortion of a live album Van Halen released. There is ZERO reason to be recording and releasing these songs with a cover band.

    Is his creativity really this stagnant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I'm sorry. I just don't see the point of these releases. I'm definitely not putting on one of these recordings instead of the original versions. Hell, I'm not even putting one of these on over the live bootleg versions from the 80's.

    I just don't get him doing this. If it is to prove he can still sing, then fucking go do it in front of an audience. Or go doctor up that abortion of a live album Van Halen released. There is ZERO reason to be recording and releasing these songs with a cover band.

    Is his creativity really this stagnant?
    Perhaps it is we don't know.

    Clearly with Ed gone Dave seems to be sputtering. Not knowing what to do next.

    He could resume his solo career or get the EEAS band back together and so some festival gigs. Like I said if all his contemporaries who croak through their own songs are still out there why not him?

    But he doesn't want to do that either. Or can't - physically. Who knows.

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    If Dave wants to do solo work then do solo material... he's got 6 solo albums plus the Bar-B-Q, John5 and several singles worth of material to dick-around with.

    EEAS won't reunite... they couldn't even pull off a one-off gig at this phase. Plus, no one from that band is interested or capable of organizing such a venture.

    Live "In the studio" is not fucking Live. It's Dave, a cover band, an engineer and the janitor... If this is Dave's way of carrying on the legacy of Van Halen or the highlight of his Van Halen career... sorry Pal, half-assed doesn't cut it. The legacy stands on it's own without this watered down crap. Go big... or get a new dog and stay home... Enjoy retirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I always like to go see Cheap Trick when I can and every time without fail Robin Zander always sounds great. He's no spring chicken and those guys are always on the road. That's a lot of singing. I don't know how his does it.
    The last I'd heard of Zander live was maybe...7 years ago. He was no spring chicken then, either, but his voice had held up very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I'm sorry. I just don't see the point of these releases. I'm definitely not putting on one of these recordings instead of the original versions. Hell, I'm not even putting one of these on over the live bootleg versions from the 80's.

    I just don't get him doing this. If it is to prove he can still sing, then fucking go do it in front of an audience. Or go doctor up that abortion of a live album Van Halen released. There is ZERO reason to be recording and releasing these songs with a cover band.

    Is his creativity really this stagnant?

    Listened to both these tracks, and the effect is one of bemusement.

    As you say, it's not like hearing either of these versions makes me not prefer the original VH recordings of them. It's not even like when he did an acoustic version of Meanstreet on the BBQ that was different from the original recorded version, so at least there was the stylistic novelty of that. Even if he is recording new versions of the VH stuff and the backing band is highly competent, it's still the voice he has now.

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    I can understand why Dave leaned heavily on the VH material live from 1999 on. That's what people wanted to hear when they bought the ticket.

    I can't imagine anybody wanting to hear new studio re-recordings of old VH material. Not when it's being approached from a tribute cover band angle, trying to recreate the original performances.

    What's the reason behind it? Even if playing VH tunes would naturally be done in a rehearsal setting to audition musicians for a live act, yeah, I can see where he would record a live rehearsal for listening purposes. It doesn't seem like that was the reason or method behind this, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I'm sorry. I just don't see the point of these releases. I'm definitely not putting on one of these recordings instead of the original versions. Hell, I'm not even putting one of these on over the live bootleg versions from the 80's.

    I just don't get him doing this. If it is to prove he can still sing, then fucking go do it in front of an audience. Or go doctor up that abortion of a live album Van Halen released. There is ZERO reason to be recording and releasing these songs with a cover band.

    Is his creativity really this stagnant?
    There's no point to it. You are talking about a guy who lives alone in a big house and dances in front of mirrors. You are talking about a guy who covered his whole body with tattoos. You are talking about a guy who does weird random shit. He rarely makes any sense. There's no point to it. It's another random Dave project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    There's no point to it. You are talking about a guy who lives alone in a big house and dances in front of mirrors. You are talking about a guy who covered his whole body with tattoos. You are talking about a guy who does weird random shit. He rarely makes any sense. There's no point to it. It's another random Dave project.
    And thats what it is. He's not releasing this as an official product - at least we don't think he will.

    The John 5 album hasnt even seen an official release so likely these studio live cuts won't either.

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    You people are trying to do the impossible. You are trying to figure out Dave. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I can understand why Dave leaned heavily on the VH material live from 1999 on. That's what people wanted to hear when they bought the ticket.

    I can't imagine anybody wanting to hear new studio re-recordings of old VH material. Not when it's being approached from a tribute cover band angle, trying to recreate the original performances.

    What's the reason behind it? Even if playing VH tunes would naturally be done in a rehearsal setting to audition musicians for a live act, yeah, I can see where he would record a live rehearsal for listening purposes. It doesn't seem like that was the reason or method behind this, though.
    You can’t have Van Halen without Eddie Van Halen. That’s like trying to have chocolate cake without chocolate in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    And thats what it is. He's not releasing this as an official product - at least we don't think he will.

    The John 5 album hasnt even seen an official release so likely these studio live cuts won't either.
    I think it’s the desire to do it still. One very well known guitar player told me he still performs and records because it’s a diminishing skill. He doesn’t want to lose it. He doesn’t need the money, he actually has other businesses that need his attention but he just can’t give up music. I think Dave is a bit that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I think it’s the desire to do it still. One very well known guitar player told me he still performs and records because it’s a diminishing skill. He doesn’t want to lose it. He doesn’t need the money, he actually has other businesses that need his attention but he just can’t give up music. I think Dave is a bit that way.
    Yeah so then he got his touring band together and banged out a set list of songs and recorded them.

    And thus sharing it on social media.

    Dont be surprised if he posts another cut but this time it being a solo-era song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I'm sorry. I just don't see the point of these releases. I'm definitely not putting on one of these recordings instead of the original versions. Hell, I'm not even putting one of these on over the live bootleg versions from the 80's.
    I don't view these as releases it's only on YouTube and it's not commercial. It occurred to me I wasn't sure if anyone had checked if they are on Spotify and they aren't which is very understandable. The John5 stuff is and in fact technically he has released 5 new solo songs in the last couple of years so by recent standards he's been super productive. Because it's not been promoted, we know it's been recorded a few years ago and it's coming out sporadically it doesn't feel like that.

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    I could understand the motivation to share these recordings if it were an artistic reinterpretation of the original material... but it's not.

    The only creative differences in these recordings are primarily two factors...

    • The cover band's inability to reproduce the original musical elements correctly

    • Dave's inability to replicate his singing of the songs due to his aging body


    I find no improvement in the product over the originals. Quite the opposite. Plus I get the nice sentiment of... at least he's doing something. But it falls flat. The irony is, as fans, we're even exploring the technicalities of what these are not... That's an indicator of having to work too hard to understand something or justify it's existence.

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