Fuck You Ed

[Vinnie Velvet]

Ok its been two years....

RIP...

Blah blah blah....

BUT, let's bring this back to reality. Edward VH fucked up the band Van Halen more than anyone.

So here's a thread to remind us that Ed fucked us over first by being a fucking 12-hour a day drunk ass punk not answering Dave and Ted's calls in early 1985 to get going on the next VH album (so legend has it).

Fuck you Ed for YOU not trying to make it work. Yeah yeah, Dave had his own aspirations but did fuck all while it was Ed who was the first one to wank off with other people (Brian May, Jackson....etc before Dave did anything on his own) and create music outside of VH (the Wild Life score and some lame ass TV movie his wife was in).

Fuck you Ed for dumping Ted. Nice move ass clown. Dumping the producer that made the six pack sonically so good not to mention helping get your ass a record deal in the first place.

Fuck you Ed for ultimately being the one who brought in Spammy McGaygar. That's right. The chump who's entry all but made Ed's beloved band into a pussified top 40 act. Sure they made lots of money but hey....gay is gay.

And the biggest Fuck You Ed is of course for the debacle in 1996.

Here was Ed's chance to redeem himself for the breakup of CVH to finally set things right. Sure, Dave can be a handful and always was but Ed's ego couldn't take it. Thus he ends up using Dave to sell more copies of the Best Of album (must have learned those tactics from Hagar). Then goes and hires Ga y Cherone and delivers the dreadful VH3.

Although I, like many, enjoyed the long awaited Roth reunion in 2007.....alas I have to give another Fuck You to Ed for not bringing in Mike to get that true CVH reunion. Sure Wolf saved Ed from his demons etc, but hey Ed still deserves a Fuck You for this as well.

Anyway....I dont really care if there are those of you who think this thread is in bad taste or whatever. Fuck that.

This is the Army....or used to be anyway.

[Von Halen]

Used to be for sure. Remember back in the day when we would have so much activity it was unbelievable? Thank Fagbook and its supporters like NickDlibtard for ruining the great forums like this one.

I'll agree with you. Fuck Ed for every one of your valid points.

But I'll throw a fuck Dave in too. That dumbass has never been able to get out of his own way. He could have been more humble in 1996. He could have done more, much more, to make 2007 on more productive and better quality. Especially from 2012 on.

Fuck you Ed.
Fuck you Dave.

You both fucked up the greatest band in the history of rock and roll. Now you've both left it in the hands of a fat fuck that despises those of us that were there in the beginning. I have said for many many years, this is the hardest band ever, to be a fan of. They have fucked over their fans 6 ways to Sunday, time and time again.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Used to be for sure. Remember back in the day when we would have so much activity it was unbelievable? Thank Fagbook and its supporters like NickDlibtard for ruining the great forums like this one.

I'll agree with you. Fuck Ed for every one of your valid points.

But I'll throw a fuck Dave in too. That dumbass has never been able to get out of his own way. He could have been more humble in 1996. He could have done more, much more, to make 2007 on more productive and better quality. Especially from 2012 on.

Fuck you Ed.
Fuck you Dave.

You both fucked up the greatest band in the history of rock and roll. Now you've both left it in the hands of a fat fuck that despises those of us that were there in the beginning. I have said for many many years, this is the hardest band ever, to be a fan of. They have fucked over their fans 6 ways to Sunday, time and time again.

I agree with this yes.

I still argue that Ed deserves more of the Fuck you than anyone. But yeah fuck you to Dave as well.

[Terry]

I think it would have been bad form to do a Fuck you Ed post immediately after his death, just out of basic decency, although that sentiment pretty much reflects the sentiments I'd held certainly since 1996. I'd even throw in a Fuck you Alex for good measure.

Up to and including the 1985 split, I'd basically split the blame or responsibility evenly. The bottom line is that the Van Halens never particularly cared for Dave from the beginning. Not personality-wise and not in terms of how he sang. Even stylistically, Roth and the Van Halens were different re: the music they liked. Roth kinda finagled his way into the band despite the reservations the Van Halens had. Roth had a PA system the whole band could use, as well as rehearsal space at his father's house. Roth and the Van Halens all had ambitions beyond being a backyard party/regional bar band. They all worked toward that goal of getting signed to a major record label and touring big venues. They paid their dues, honed their abilities, nurtured their talents, got some lucky breaks along the way, eventually became stars.

It seems to me come 1983 that Ed was...I dunno if he was beginning to take his success for granted at that point or just felt by then that Van Halen's track record should have afforded him the right and expectation to do things the way he wanted to do them, to not have to listen to what Ted or Dave or whoever said and just have things his way, and maybe Ed was starting to tire of the perception of him as a flash rock guitar player above all else...a guitarist who amounted to little more than a guy who could play blazingly fast solos over dumb party rock music...but I think Ed wanted respect from rock critics and other musicians in general, and a lot of those people back then thought David Lee Roth was a clownish showoff who was holding Eddie Van Halen's musical greatness back and tethering it to hard rock. I think Ed felt that way, too. When Dave pitched the CFTH movie idea to the Van Halens, it probably solidified to Ed that Dave thought HE was the star of the band, whereas Ed doubtless felt that were it not for his guitar playing Van Halen would have never made it as big as they did.

I think success also went to Dave's head, in that come CFTH EP time when those videos were in constant rotation and Dave was at his zenith commercially, I'll bet Dave figured he WAS the star of the band and if not the main draw than every bit as responsible for Van Halen's success as anything Eddie was doing. Throw in musical differences and the fact that by 1985 Van Halen had climbed the summit, well, this was no longer four guys from Pasadena trying to break into the bar band scene on the fabulous Sunset Strip. It wasn't even the same four guys who for the first few CVH records were probably overwhelmed with the thrill of being signed to a major label and building their national audience. All of those previous circumstances probably made the members overlook their differences to work together. Once the success set in, Ed didn't see the need to do an album and tour every year, nor did he see the need to do any more cover tunes or have to battle with his lead singer and producer if he wanted to have keyboard-based material. By that same token, Dave felt he could do whatever he wanted musically a la the CFTH EP, and expand into movies. Once Van Halen got the success and had a substantial amount of time off in 1983 - got off the hamster wheel of album/tour, album/tour, album/tour - THAT is when the problems set in and those long-term personality differences exacerbated everything.

[twonabomber]

On 10-6-2020 I considered saying the same thing, pretty much "fuck you, Ed" for foisting Hagar on us. I deleted what I typed and posted this instead:

If I may bring a little positivity to the thread...












NO HAGAR REUNION!








too soon?

I did say somewhere that there is no God, because if there was, He would have taken Hagar before Ed.

[Vinnie Velvet]

I think it would have been bad form to do a Fuck you Ed post immediately after his death, just out of basic decency, although that sentiment pretty much reflects the sentiments I'd held certainly since 1996. I'd even throw in a Fuck you Alex for good measure.

Up to and including the 1985 split, I'd basically split the blame or responsibility evenly. The bottom line is that the Van Halens never particularly cared for Dave from the beginning. Not personality-wise and not in terms of how he sang. Even stylistically, Roth and the Van Halens were different re: the music they liked. Roth kinda finagled his way into the band despite the reservations the Van Halens had. Roth had a PA system the whole band could use, as well as rehearsal space at his father's house. Roth and the Van Halens all had ambitions beyond being a backyard party/regional bar band. They all worked toward that goal of getting signed to a major record label and touring big venues. They paid their dues, honed their abilities, nurtured their talents, got some lucky breaks along the way, eventually became stars.

It seems to me come 1983 that Ed was...I dunno if he was beginning to take his success for granted at that point or just felt by then that Van Halen's track record should have afforded him the right and expectation to do things the way he wanted to do them, to not have to listen to what Ted or Dave or whoever said and just have things his way, and maybe Ed was starting to tire of the perception of him as a flash rock guitar player above all else...a guitarist who amounted to little more than a guy who could play blazingly fast solos over dumb party rock music...but I think Ed wanted respect from rock critics and other musicians in general, and a lot of those people back then thought David Lee Roth was a clownish showoff who was holding Eddie Van Halen's musical greatness back and tethering it to hard rock. I think Ed felt that way, too. When Dave pitched the CFTH movie idea to the Van Halens, it probably solidified to Ed that Dave thought HE was the star of the band, whereas Ed doubtless felt that were it not for his guitar playing Van Halen would have never made it as big as they did.

I think success also went to Dave's head, in that come CFTH EP time when those videos were in constant rotation and Dave was at his zenith commercially, I'll bet Dave figured he WAS the star of the band and if not the main draw than every bit as responsible for Van Halen's success as anything Eddie was doing. Throw in musical differences and the fact that by 1985 Van Halen had climbed the summit, well, this was no longer four guys from Pasadena trying to break into the bar band scene on the fabulous Sunset Strip. It wasn't even the same four guys who for the first few CVH records were probably overwhelmed with the thrill of being signed to a major label and building their national audience. All of those previous circumstances probably made the members overlook their differences to work together. Once the success set in, Ed didn't see the need to do an album and tour every year, nor did he see the need to do any more cover tunes or have to battle with his lead singer and producer if he wanted to have keyboard-based material. By that same token, Dave felt he could do whatever he wanted musically a la the CFTH EP, and expand into movies. Once Van Halen got the success and had a substantial amount of time off in 1983 - got off the hamster wheel of album/tour, album/tour, album/tour - THAT is when the problems set in and those long-term personality differences exacerbated everything.

Of course I was never going to post a Fuck You Ed thread after he died.

But felt the need to do this considering he is being looked upon now around several circles as a saint. When in fact if you were to pin point just ONE singular person that created a lot of the messes it would mostly be on him.

[Nickdfresh]

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Used to be for sure. Remember back in the day when we would have so much activity it was unbelievable? Thank Fagbook and its supporters like NickDlibtard for ruining the great forums like this one.

I'll agree with you. Fuck Ed for every one of your valid points.

But I'll throw a fuck Dave in too. That dumbass has never been able to get out of his own way. He could have been more humble in 1996. He could have done more, much more, to make 2007 on more productive and better quality. Especially from 2012 on.

Fuck you Ed.
Fuck you Dave.

You both fucked up the greatest band in the history of rock and roll. Now you've both left it in the hands of a fat fuck that despises those of us that were there in the beginning. I have said for many many years, this is the hardest band ever, to be a fan of. They have fucked over their fans 6 ways to Sunday, time and time again.

I don't know anything about Fagbook Von, can you tell me more?

I hate Facecrook, Twatter and Instacunt myself and basically only use FB for work 99% of the time, and checking on relatives the rest and maybe gathering info on whores.

So really not sure why you are name dropping me when you did far more to ruin your own site, jerkoff....

If you old men are yell at clouds, yell at ALL the fucking cunt-clouds!!

Though I do agree Dave deserves nearly as much blame. But WTF, how does anyone leave ALEX out of any of this! He was the main cunt during the post-1984 era as he effectively took over the band from Dave's feeble grip...

[Terry]

Of course I was never going to post a Fuck You Ed thread after he died.

But felt the need to do this considering he is being looked upon now around several circles as a saint. When in fact if you were to pin point just ONE singular person that created a lot of the messes it would mostly be on him.

I wouldn't think for a minute that you would have right after he died, just out of a sense of general taste and timing and based on reading your posts for years and years...like, I would have been surprised if you had along the lines of "that's not the Vinnie Velvet I thought I knew from all the time spent on these forums."

But I don't disagree with you that Eddie...Eddie was more than a bit of a fuck up when he wasn't playing guitar.

The Hagar years were what they were. The band made the music they wanted to make. They toured. They had a decent amount of success post-1985, managed to maintain it through the end of the 1980's and into the 1990's better than most of their hard rock contemporaries.

It wasn't until 1996 and that whole Hagar departure/Roth debacle and the interviews in the aftermath of it that made me realize Ed was a bit of a dick and a bit out to lunch. All through just what transpired in terms of events. How hard was a Roth reunion in terms of it being a no-brainer? Nope. After diddling with Mitch Malloy, Ed opted for Cherone. Whatever one thought of the Van Hagar records in terms of the tunes, at least most of the Van Hagar records were competently produced re: recording and mixing. Van Halen III was half-realized and subpar on a basic production level, and that record was Eddie's baby. At least the Van Hagar records would have a few tracks that were interesting in terms of what the guitar was doing. Van Halen III didn't have a single track that I found compelling even on an instrumental level. My reaction to Van Halen III was that Eddie was not only spent creatively but after 20 years of professional studio recording and 15 years of having a studio in his backyard, he couldn't even grasp how to make a decent-sounding record. That made me think that Eddie was clearly best served by having his music recorded and engineered by someone other than himself or a yes-man producer.

And then the bizarre comments he made about him getting tongue cancer from putting metal guitar picks in his mouth, to his "I'll play the tuba if I want to on a record"/fuck the fans stance he took in the fallout of the 1996 Roth reunion falling apart. Then Van Halen III tanking. Then WB booting the band off the label. Then Eddie's relapse. Then his divorce. Then ejecting Michael Anthony from the band. Then replacing Anthony with his teenaged son. And the lost years of the early 2000's when he was doubtless fucked up on more than just alcohol. By the time 2006 rolled around, I didn't even want to look at a current picture of Eddie Van Halen because by all appearances it was evident Eddie didn't give a shit anymore.

I wouldn't have said this right after he died but considering what Van Halen's music meant to me and what the image of Van Halen meant to me and what Eddie as a guitar player meant to me in the early 1980's... the last 25 years of Eddie's life weren't overall pleasant in the least from my perspective as a fan. The highwater mark of those years from what I saw was that Eddie eventually cleaned himself up and got his chops back up to par enough to do a few reunion tours with Roth. The best Eddie was able to manage in those last 25 years was getting himself together enough to perform his old CVH tunes live. And even THEN he couldn't see clear to doing a CVH tour. He only bothered because he wanted to play with his kid. This guy who just floored me with his ability in the early 1980's had put himself through the wringer via his addictions, couldn't recognize a no-brainer opportunity in 1996 when it fell into his lap and did what he wanted to do. Cheapened the image by slapping his patented Franky stripes on everything under the sun, frittered away his ability and talent through drink and drugs, probably took years off his life via his own lifestyle choices.

Yeah, sure, doubtless avid Guitar World readers would get emotional about all the things I said in this post. Eddie Idolators who put him on a pedestal. Just like anybody who puts whatever entertainer or person on a pedestal, pointing out the object of their deification was - like everybody else who has ever lived - only human in the end is a slap of reality that crowds out the magic.

For me, humanization is more interesting than perspectives fogged by excessive celebrity worship.

I suppose it was the joy and marvel of what Eddie did with a guitar...it was that powerful and wonderful to the point where the offstage human reality (which wasn't pretty a lot of the time) is glossed over by some. But, as you and other reasonable people know, Eddie was no saint. Wasn't the worst far as rock star behavior went, either. His own worst enemy in the end, I think. I dunno...I like to remember him and Van Halen back in the day when CVH dominated the rock scene. The years after Dave left were at best mere echoes. Back when we were all so young.

[Nickdfresh]

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I don't know anything about Fagbook Von, can you tell me more?

I hate Facecrook, Twatter and Instacunt myself and basically only use FB for work 99% of the time, and checking on relatives the rest and maybe gathering info on whores.

So really not sure why you are name dropping me when you did far more to ruin your own site, jerkoff....

If you old men are yell at clouds, yell at ALL the fucking cunt-clouds!!

Though I do agree Dave deserves nearly as much blame. But WTF, how does anyone leave ALEX out of any of this! He was the main cunt during the post-1984 era as he effectively took over the band from Dave's feeble grip...

Retard erases DDLR.com, but I'M the problem! Fucking cunt asshole!

Going on 49K posts but I'M THE PROBLEM...

Fuck you Dave, Ed, and Alex. But fuck you too, Von....

http://www.ddlr.com/

[Nickdfresh]

The only relatively blameless Classic Van Halen member is Mikey. They as a group fucked him early on and often, and he was never is any sort of decision cycle. But Dave, Al, and Ed were all dicks that cheapened their legacy at some point. According to the lore, Dave was the "leader" of sorts in the beginning, but Alcohlex took over circa 1984-85 and Ed, being the actual savant writer, took over after that in the Hagar era. A lot of blame to go around...

[ZahZoo]

At a loss for words...

[Von Halen]

Retard erases DDLR.com, but I'M the problem! Fucking cunt asshole!

Going on 49K posts but I'M THE PROBLEM...

Fuck you Dave, Ed, and Alex. But fuck you too, Von....

http://www.ddlr.com/

NickDelusionaldumbass.

You don't know anything about Fagbook, but you use it for "work", "checking on relatives" and "gathering info on underage whores". Way to contradict yourself, NickDumbass.

DDLR was only put up in the first place because the fag bass player from the Atomic Punks deleted this place. Sarge was busy doing what you failed to do, building a career defending our great Country. There was never room for two DLR specific sites. When Sarge finally got the time to bring this place back, we like Dave and Ed, should have put our egos aside and found a way to merge together. But as you know, Sesh can be difficult and his substance abuses were raging. Just like Ed's. In reality, the glory days were in the rear view mirror, but we still could have done more to fend off the likes of Fagbook and the Fagbook supporters and lovers, like you. You and your kind are 100% responsible for the death of the VB style message forums. Now quit hijacking Vinnie's great fuck you to Ed thread, and get back to stalking underage girls on Fagbook.

[Vinnie Velvet]

The only relatively blameless Classic Van Halen member is Mikey. They as a group fucked him early on and often, and he was never is any sort of decision cycle. But Dave, Al, and Ed were all dicks that cheapened their legacy at some point. According to the lore, Dave was the "leader" of sorts in the beginning, but Alcohlex took over circa 1984-85 and Ed, being the actual savant writer, took over after that in the Hagar era. A lot of blame to go around...

Can't say Bass Player is totally blameless. We are led to believe he never contacted Ed and Al after the passing of their mother in 2005. Not even a condolence card or flowers. Nothing.

At the height of the breakup even Dave still got in touch with them to send condolences on the passing of their dad in 1986.

Its no surprise then that Mike was one that never got a final chat or even a text with Ed before his passing. Again, he could've easily called or got his number. But again, nothing.

[Terry]

Yeah, we're led to believe that.

Sounds sort of like that feeble excuse Ed made after the news that his son was now playing bass joined, that since Mike was playing with Hagar he couldn't also play with Van Halen when they got back with Roth in 2006.

Would have been closer to the truth if Ed just flat-out said he didn't want to have Michael Anthony in the band anymore and would rather play with his kid.

Ed didn't even want Anthony to play on the 2004 tour, so I highly doubt it was Anthony failing to pay proper condolences a year after the 2004 tour ended that ended up being the final straw. Ed just had no more use for Michael Anthony, and probably didn't have any particular use for Anthony as far back as that unpublished 1982 interview where Ed said Anthony basically contributed nothing but still got an equal share. Even as recently as 2015, where Ed was saying his background vocals were just as important to the CVH sound as Anthony's and that he had to teach Anthony everything Anthony ever played...yeah, considering all that it wasn't a surprise Anthony didn't get a final call from Ed. I mean, they hadn't played together or even as much as spoke to one another for 15 years.

Taking all of that into consideration, had Ed's health permitted I'll bet even if the band had asked Anthony to do a tour in 2019 they would have had Azoff make Anthony some lowball financial offer...probably less than Wolfgang had been making.

Lot of things went wrong with Van Halen over the years, but I tend to doubt Anthony was the cause of any of 'em.

[Nickdfresh]

NickDelusionaldumbass.

You don't know anything about Fagbook, but you use it for "work", "checking on relatives" and "gathering info on underage whores". Way to contradict yourself, NickDumbass.

Try making sense you senile old cunt.

I spend little time on "Fagbook" and don't go on for days at a time. But even if I did WTF does that have to do with the supposed downfall of message boards? I mean WTF do you do when your not here drunk posting? Much like your ignorant political choices and inbred still stuck in highschool mentality, it makes no sense. Yes a lot of people use social msg. sites but I largely do not and put no content up on them. I used to go on for the Bills/Sabres Mafia stuff but even that is run largely by aholes that couldn't afford, or have the knowledge, to run a real message board (and yes it is way to easy for clowns to set stuff up there that are the last people that should be running anything that has mass appeal and just steal others intellectual properties). I don't like the rise of social media anymore than you do, but the real reason this site went downhill is the incessant cunt bickering that happened between factions. And the worst offenders are the ones THAT FUCKING SHOULD BE ON FACECUNT! The ones that made this place their club without putting anything back into it and having weird agendas like trying to "take over a site" they could never run let alone afford. I've always defended this site from that sort of shit. No one is underage, Instascam is more for that but I don't even have an account. Also you might notice that this shit won' last forever and there is nothing much left of Van Halen world and there hasn't been for the better part of a decade now. But if the band were active and not old or dead, then this place would be more active and I think the online member high was set around the 2015 tour or just prior...

I still have no idea why you associate me with Facebook and its just fucking bizarre. Some did run off this site to places like FB, literally were terrorized off this site because they didn't want to deal with the shits you guys gave fucking tickets to! Fucking sociopathic psychos (like you) are the ones that drove many good, longtime posters off this site. Not me. Not even Facebook, but at Facecrap, they do have more recourse to deal with fuckheads that have so little in life to lose they would actively stalk people in real life over a website. Some even did lose a lot for doing that, and she shall also remain nameless...

DDLR was only put up in the first place because the fag bass player from the Atomic Punks deleted this place. Sarge was busy doing what you failed to do, building a career defending our great Country

Fuck you Von you pussy-biotch! I did serve, just not to the extent Sarge did and I didn't realize there was any crime in serving and then ETSing and choosing not to have a career in the military. I have the upmost respect for Sarge (is it Colonel now?) and what he has achieved. But I think he's also paid a big physical price for it. You fucking never served anything you pathetic jerkoff who thinks he's a tough guy, but like every bully Von Helen, a nice punch in the mouth would put a trash POS "talker" like you in her place!

There was never room for two DLR specific sites.

Maybe not but I was on both of 'em, I think someone (who will remain nameless) tried a third with predictably comical results.

When Sarge finally got the time to bring this place back, we like Dave and Ed, should have put our egos aside and found a way to merge together. But as you know, Sesh can be difficult and his substance abuses were raging. Just like Ed's. In reality, the glory days were in the rear view mirror, but we still could have done more to fend off the likes of Fagbook and the Fagbook supporters and lovers, like you. You and your kind are 100% responsible for the death of the VB style message forums. Now quit hijacking Vinnie's great fuck you to Ed thread, and get back to stalking underage girls on Fagbook.

Again you senile old queen, you make no fucking sense. Seriously, your mind is going like dementia shit with clown-ass statements like that! It was never a direct competition. Few go to FB for that sort of shit and we even have a presence there but "Fagbook" groups are notoriously terrible and run by fucktards. Again, you're just a fucking moron that is poorly educated outside of whatever vocational skillset you have and project some weird fucking nonsense onto others. I'm sure you're a real hoot at whatever watering hole you drown your delusions in...

People like you Von Queerbait: sociopathic social-idiot psychos that name drop members with their fucking creepily gay "Cable guy-like" obsessions in every completely unrelated topic, are the ones that drive people out of here! You "Fabulous" old bastard!