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    Wolfgang Claims Dave Refused to Sing 'Ain’t Talkin’ ’Bout Panama'

    “Dave said, ‘No, not doing it’”: Eddie, Alex and Wolfgang Van Halen once wrote a brand new Van Halen song, only for David Lee Roth to refuse to sing it
    By Classic Rock published about 5 hours ago
    Van Halen’s swansong album A Different Kind Of Truth could have featured a song with the working title Ain’t Talkin’ ’Bout Panama if it wasn‘t for David Lee Roth having a hissy fit


    Wolfgang Van Halen has revealed that Van Halen scrapped a song they were working on for their 2012 album A Different Kind Of Truth after David Lee Roth refused to sing on it.

    In a brand new interview in the latest issue of Classic Rock, the Mammoth WVH frontman looks back on his time with his dad Eddie Van Halen’s band from 2007 to 2015 – a period he calls “a crash course in collaboration”.

    Asked if there is any unreleased material from the A Different Kind Of Truth era, Wolfgang tells Classic Rock. “I remember the way we knew how to work with Dave. Al, Dad and I were working on a song at the time [before A Different Kind Of Truth]. We’d come up with something in the moment when we were jamming and it was really cool – we called it Ain’t Talkin’ ’Bout Panama as a joke, because it had a vibe of both of those songs put together.”

    He adds that the three musicians agreed they had to pick the right time to present it to the singer. “We told the producer we were working with at the time, ‘When Dave comes to sing tonight, whatever you do, do not tell him that we wrote this. When we’re together tomorrow, we can come to him together and act, like, Hey listen to this…’

    “But he didn’t listen to us. “He told Dave. ‘Hey, check this out…’ And Dave was, like, [abruptly] ‘No, not doing it. We were, like, ‘If you’d listened to us, it could have been another cool song on the album.’ The relationship between Van Halen and their singers was always complicated.”

    In the same interview, Wolfgang also reveals that the death of his father in 2020 influenced Mammoth WVH’s upcoming second album, Mammoth II, more than it did their self-titled debut.

    “There's more of me dealing with the illness that took my dad on the second album than there is on the first,” he says. “It’s an aggressive album, the lyrical content is angry but sad and depressing at the same time. It’s the fall-out from everything that happened.”

    Mammoth II is out on August 4. Read the full interview with Wolfgang Van Halen in the new issue of Classic Rock, on sale now. Order it online and have it delivered straight to your door.

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    “a crash course in collaboration”

    Explains why Mammoth albums are just WVH...
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    It's worth pointing out that in 2007 Wolfgang was a 15 year old child and his dad was a crazy alcoholic so it's very fucking likely that Dave was right to say that 'Ain’t Talkin’ ’Bout Panama' was shit.
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    Parts of the story sound like nonsensical bullshit.

    Why would the Van Halens have told the producer not to tell Dave that the Van Halens had wrote the tune? Who else would Dave have assumed had come up with the music? And why would it have been necessary for Dave to have listened to the tune with the Van Halens present, as opposed to the producer playing the music for Dave when the Van Halens were there? What difference would that have made re: Roth's reaction to the music?

    I can see where Dave would have been averse to bothering with music to a tune the Van Halens were calling Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Panama as a working title, because that sounds dumb...but why not just have played Dave the music without mentioning said dumb title?

    Jibberish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    “a crash course in collaboration”

    Explains why Mammoth albums are just WVH...
    Well for the most part WVH's only exposure to what collaboration looks like came from his limited exposure of his father's collaborative efforts... which for the most part meant holing up in 5150 by himself with his demons. Then occasionally peppering it with business interactions with his brother, Roth, Hagar and a handful of producers and engineers. Add to that his mother's collaborative efforts which aren't exactly remarkable...

    Clearly the examples that shaped Wolf's life were... dysfunctional to put it mildly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    “a crash course in collaboration”

    Explains why Mammoth albums are just WVH...
    The only thing with which this young man can successfully collaborate is a hero sandwich.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Well for the most part WVH's only exposure to what collaboration looks like came from his limited exposure of his father's collaborative efforts... which for the most part meant holing up in 5150 by himself with his demons. Then occasionally peppering it with business interactions with his brother, Roth, Hagar and a handful of producers and engineers. Add to that his mother's collaborative efforts which aren't exactly remarkable...

    Clearly the examples that shaped Wolf's life were... dysfunctional to put it mildly...
    I just finished ERUPTION IN THE CANYON, the book by the documentary filmmaker who filmed the band for three+ years. He was hoping to film the 2007-2008 reunion tour too...but suddenly, Ed freaked out, got paranoid and held a gun to the guy and then threw him out after three years. He never ended up paying the guy either.

    Ed was fucking crazy.

    Pisses me off to hear Wolf joining Sam on the "attack Dave" bandwagon. Dave is super-eccentric, but Wolf seems to have no honest awareness of just what a psychological mess his father truly was.

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    I like the part where Ed marched the roofers who broke into his property up the hill with an Uzi. The police were such Ed fans Ed could do anything.
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    Wolfgang had two nutty parents. Val is a nutter. So it’s all the brat knows. I imagineWolf will have his own train wreck soon enough.
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    Dave volunteered himself to work as a EMT for several years. You don’t ride on the big red fire engine as a first responder if you are a nut bag. Ed never could be an EMT. Sam is too greedy to do it and if he did he would brag about it. Dave is quiet about his charity. He might be very eccentric but he can turn the bullshit off and be Dave the EMT and not get kicked off the beat.

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    Anyways naming that nuthouse of a studio 5150 is perfect. It’s whack job central. 1984 is the only thing good that came out of that shit hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I like the part where Ed marched the roofers who broke into his property up the hill with an Uzi. The police were such Ed fans Ed could do anything.
    Well Ed's only publicized 'charitable' works were giving money to the LAPD... A cynic might want to call that something else especially given the LAPD reputation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikk View Post
    I just finished ERUPTION IN THE CANYON, the book by the documentary filmmaker who filmed the band for three+ years. He was hoping to film the 2007-2008 reunion tour too...but suddenly, Ed freaked out, got paranoid and held a gun to the guy and then threw him out after three years. He never ended up paying the guy either.

    Ed was fucking crazy.

    Pisses me off to hear Wolf joining Sam on the "attack Dave" bandwagon. Dave is super-eccentric, but Wolf seems to have no honest awareness of just what a psychological mess his father truly was.
    From some posts elsewhere... it was that so-called filmmaker that took advantage of Ed, which is suspected to be a primary reason Alex hates anyone trying to document the band's escapades... which caused the cease and desist orders for this current 1984 documentary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Well Ed's only publicized 'charitable' works were giving money to the LAPD... A cynic might want to call that something else especially given the LAPD reputation.
    He did donate a lot of gear to Mr Holland's Opus...

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