Yeah, this happenned. Deputy PM Freeland's family apparently also has ties to some 2000 Nazi's allowed to enter Canada after the war. I imagine she's getting nervous with some of this scrutiny.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...s-try-to-erase
Yeah, this happenned. Deputy PM Freeland's family apparently also has ties to some 2000 Nazi's allowed to enter Canada after the war. I imagine she's getting nervous with some of this scrutiny.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...s-try-to-erase
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Oh yeah, they also had the other Nazi in the House that day...giving away more cash just like you guys...
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Nickdfresh (09-26-2023)
The takeaway here is that the ultra left leaning Liberal Party in Canada is beyond incompetent. It's embarassing.
Just so you know, the governing party alone has the responsibility for vetting visitors...and the PM's office is involved, despite claims to the contrary.
Worse, the Liberals tried to pass a motion to erase the visit from the House records. Insanity
That's fine but let's acknowledge that actual Neo-Nazi's support Trump and the right. The Tiki-torch prison gay nazis in Charlotteville circa 2016 weren't marching for Obama, Trudeau or Hillary FFS...
Rikk (09-27-2023)
I think this is all garbage. And half the time they are Feds. They did the same thing here in Ottawa for the truckers march. It was so peaceful, and one planted flag...a joke
Look into Chrystyna Freeland's family tree...its not looking good. The Globe and Mail is as left leaning as it gets, aside from the CBC
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle34236881/
Go look at real neo Nazis in prison. None of those fuckers are going to wear matching kakis and carry tiki torches from a dollar store. Theres another goofy group called Patriot Front that are fake as a $3 bill. Someone with some money is trying to sell we have a militant right wing that needs to be stomped out. This country gets fed more shit than a mushroom farm. It’s almost laughable at this point.
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Romeo Delight (09-30-2023)
Who better to honor the National Socialist Party than socialists. Fascism usually always rolls in from the left and not the right. We didn’t learn shit from WWII.
Right. The conspiracy shit comes out like dirreahia from an asshole...
You have experience?
ZahZoo (09-27-2023)
You mean the assholes that wore Kaki?
Moron...
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Rikk (09-27-2023)
I'm glad that this guy has started to learn about WW2 but he still has quite a long way to go.
It was obviously wrong to honor the Ukrainian and also to give a propaganda weapon to Putin but it's all a bit more complicated. Russia was allied with Nazi Germany until it attacked them. Russia committed just as many massacres of Poles as the Nazis did in the early part of the war when dividing Poland up. Losing far more soldiers fighting the Nazis than the West is a lot to do with them caring a lot less about casualties. Max Hastings is a journalist not a historian.
If you were a Ukrainian in your 20s and when you were younger Stalin engineered the death of 3.9 MILLION of your people, over 10% of the population, who is to say you wouldn't have joined sides with the Germans...?
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But the guy we are talking about in this thread was fighting the communists???
I'm trying to find a fascist movement that wasn't anti communist.
The National Fascist Party of Mussolini was from the right. The Nazi's in Germany were always anti communist to the point that was the main reason for their existence in the first place. They may have been anti big business early on but they were always populist anti left nationalists.
Rikk (09-27-2023)
Presumably due to prison rules about dress code and fire safety?
Stupidest post I've read in a while. Trying to minimize the murderous & violent impact of the Charlottesville Nazis, some of whom were chanting for Trump (though not Christopher Cantwell because he was mad Ivanka married a Jewish man), is like a joke at this point. I've seen hours of footage of Charlottesville. Those monsters wanted blood. There's less-seen footage of them beating a black man with lead pipes, his blood all over the pavement.
"Good people," as Trump called them. (David Duke himself, onsite that day, thanked Trump for the day's success.)
Anytime I see a MAGA try and minimize the link between MAGA and white supremacy, their credibility is easier than ever to throw out.
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LMFAO!! Again, what a moronic thing to say.
The original National Socialist party WAS a socialist party, yes. But read your history...Hitler did not form the Nazis. He took them over. Look at what he did to the founders and original members of the party...expelled, murdered. He kept the brand name...but anyone who thinks the Nazi party was remotely Communist is completely ignorant of history. German communists were some of the first people put into concentration camps. They were the Nazis' biggest enemy (besides the Jews). The Nazis that rose into power in 1933 had nothing to do with Communism. They were plain fascist. Hitler is basically the poster-boy for plain ol' fascism.
I've seen some of the dumbest MAGAs try to make the argument (to help the MAGA movement's public image) try and make the "National Socialist means Nazis are socialists" argument a bunch o' times. But it's truly a laughable argument.
Didn't you ever take a history or political science course in your life?
Just like Tucker's "inside men" at January 6. What a joke.
Listening to MAGAs try and claim that the insurrection was a Democrat inside job is just about as ridiculous as listening to old interview of John Gacy trying to claim that his employees actually put all those bodies in his basement while he was on work trips.
I've heard the numbers are even higher than 3.9 MILLION...but these things are hard to determine.
The Turks (partly using Kurdish mercenaries) killed 1.5 MILLION of my people (I'm Armenian...and Swedish). They murdered my great-grandmother, great uncle, great aunt, etc. And while it's estimated at 1.5 million, the true numbers can never be known.
What Stalin did is even harder to track because some of it was outright murder with gun/knife, some of it was enforced starvation, gulags, forced marches, etc.
The irony is that when some Slavs were captured by the Nazis, the Slavs were happy to offer their Russian captors a chance to join them fighting the Russians...
...but the Nazis just killed them instead.
Nickdfresh (09-27-2023)
Seriously, didn't you learn anything from history books? In the authoritarian versus libertarian spectrum, fascism is hard-authoritarianism. In the so-called right-left spectrum, fascism is seen by political scientists as FAR-right.
Yeah, cuz THEY'RE IN PRISON!! I don't know if you knew this but they have kind of a DRESS CODE in prison. That's why tattoos are so popular in prison.
And don't tell me the REAL neo-Nazis are in prison. There are plenty that are free.
Some of them do things like blow up the Oklahoma Federal Building (McVeigh loved his Turner Diaries) or shoot up synagogues. I'm sorry...that's real enough to me.
Yep, the Soviets invaded both Finland and collaborated on the invasion of Poland. The Katyn Massacre was the slaughter of 40,000+ Polish intellectuals and military officers the USSR tried to pin on the Germans. And Soviet Red Army soldiers raped everyone girl form "eight to eighty" advancing into Eastern Europe and Germany and more than a few boys too...
Anyone that says they were a Ukrainian nationalist in WWII should trigger massive red flags. Some anti-Soviet Ukrainians did fight the Nazis as well but most collaborated with them on some level for a time.
The Russians are not fucking innocent either. The Russian Liberation Army was a German SS unit that attracted hundreds of thousands of ex-Soviet POW's although the other choice was starvation. And while the Nazis were horrid it should be said the Soviets were not saints on their advance into Germany either. It was a brutal slog on both sides. And of course there is no excuse for fighting for Nazis, but the Ukraine did suffer a famine-genocide that was exacerbated by the Soviet authorities during the Holomodor...
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It's a fucking myth rightist pundits like Jonah Goldberg try to foist on everyone because the Nazi's were "national socialists". They were not socialists and most got rich along with numerous German capitalists. Any actual "socialist" Nazis were killed off or fled by the late 30's in The Night of the Long Knives and the name was just to attract German workers but the party was largely founded (before even Hitler joined) by middle and upper class Bavarian capitalists. I mean North Korea isn't a fucking democracy nor was East Germany despite having that title in their official country names...
You bet. Two things Hitler immediately did when he got into power was he privatized state-owned industries and the government suppressed trade unions.
The government also developed a partnership with independent big businesses. The fascist/authoritarian aspect really kicked into high gear with the government's support of monopolies at the expense of small businesses.
Cucker's whole argument was based around a guy named Ray Epps, who was clearly one of the ringleaders of the insurrection, as visible in the videos. But he hadn't been charged when some of the other MAGAtts were, which led to numerous right wing conspiracy theories about Epps being an undercover FBI agent.
Well, that argument ain't going to work anymore. Epps was charged last week.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...-doj-rcna99836
What's awesome about his being charged is:
Even though the Cucker/MAGA crowd will say, "They just charged him to kill the conspiracy theory," they won't be able to claim that for long. If he was doing all this on order of the FBI, he would surely use this as his defense in court. But because it's not true, they won't be able to make such an argument anymore.
And Cucker will get even more egg on his face after airing his interview with the con man who allegedly had sex (and did crack) with Obama...the same interviewee who was arrested again last week for another malicious activity.
People also conflate the fact that the German Nazi regime had extensive control of the overall economy, but no shit! It was almost a full war economy by 1938, earlier than any of the Allies save the Soviets. The US and Commonweath countries also have extensive gov't planning in their war economies after 1939-41...
The other thing I understand from looking at German society under the Nazis was this intense concentration on promoting the good of the individual German/Aryan. They would promote what a single German individual can accomplish on their own...their "intrinsic excellence & achievements." Communist societies don't operate this way. Their entire apparatus is designed to promote only the "collective good"...the "good for the state."
Every so often this still happens to me.
I'm reading that and think weird I thought Rikk was Texan. Then I realize it's just the box I've put you in after 20 years of looking at that avatar. Then I remember my avatar...
LOL!!!
That's awesome. And I have to admit, when you post, I literally imagine Fozzie Bear talking (while Kermit is next to you jacking you off). It's kind of awesome.
I have a slew of nationalities... I was born in Ohio, lived my first 32 years in Canada, then have lived in Chicago ever since.
My background is Swedish-Armenian...plus the Ancestry test also showed that I have some Norwegian blood, Egyptian blood...
...and get this, SESH (it's true!!)...SCOTTISH BLOOD (like 5%)!!
(As for the avatar, that's explained by the fact that J.R. Ewing is my favorite T.V. character of all time...I love DALLAS...I sometimes call my daughter Baby J.R., which makes my wife roll her eyes.)
If you read "The Wages of Destruction" by Adam Tooze, he goes into the intricacies of the Nazi war machine. He mentions how German workers were initially exposed to Jewish slave labor and how they reacted in horror as to how the Jews were treated in the factories and the demoralization that took place watching skilled workers began as they were brutalized and maltreated with the intent of starving them to death. The Nazis had a neat plan to work them to death efficiently while getting every last ounce of workmanship from the dying Jews, but that plan went sideways and fell apart and rations had to be increased for the Jewish workers because starving people don't make very productive labor and they would just pass out at their work stations otherwise, meaning the good German workers received less rations and became even more demoralized as a result...
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Once you introduce authoritarianism into a system, even if you're going through the motions of having a free-market economy, said authoritarianism will eventually create the same inefficiency and lack of foresight that a centrally-planned economy will. This is no doubt also what happened to Marcos...the amount of poverty and lack of human rights is part of what caused the people to want Aquino to come back in 1983 and he knowingly became their martyr.
Aquino was a brilliant, amazing man. I have a couple of books about him. He knowingly went home to die, knowing that doing so would (in the end) destroy Marcos (or at least put the final nail in Marcos' coffin).
We can go down a rabbit hole here about economies but the purveyors the "Nazis-were-socialists-like-AOC/Bernie are" with their chestnuts of bullshit that conflate, mischaracterize, or completely decontextualize basic facts.
The German war economy of WWII was no more "socialist" than the US or British-Commonwealth ones. Henry Ford made a lot of money making jeeps and bombers for the US military and so did Prof. Porche for the Wehrmacht. The Gov't took emergency powers to redirect production from civilian appliances and goods to planes, tanks, and guns. The German corporatists under the Nazis got plenty rich as did the Nazi hierarchy and they were hardly the paradigm of wealth redistribution and used brutal slave labor policies, which were hardly good for the German working classes. It should also be mentioned that any autocratic regime uses techniques of "playing sides off against one another" to stay in power and prevent any one rival emerging that can challenge the elites and Hitler did this on numerous levels even when it came to R&D for weapons projects. They often had duplicitous factions producing essentially the same thing like a tank, jet fighter, and even atomic bomb projects that were often completely unaware of each other. It was the supposed "good Nazi" Albert Speer (that got off scot-free after the war) tried to bring some sort of coherent economic order to it all, but that's largely been shown to be a revisionist myth Speer propagated in his PR campaign postwar and his predecessor, Totenkopf (who was a total bastard genocidal cunt), had instituted reforms to the Nazi war machine before his fortunate death in a plane crash. Speer chest-thumped that he actually increased German war production despite relentless Allied bombing of factories, but it didn't really matter if you made more tanks but couldn't get them to where they were needed because you dispersed production everywhere, did it?
Rikk (09-29-2023)
Did he though, look who is president now...
Well, of course. Nobody could foresee what would happen to a country politically 40 years later. But Marcos was basically done the minute Aquino started that flight from the States. He knew Marcos would kill him (there's actual footage of him telling the reporters on the plane to get ready because the shooting could happen very quickly) and he knew that would start an underswell of uprising. And that's exactly what happened.
There are also valid arguments that there was corruption under Aquino's son.
But I believe Aquino himself was a brave, decent man who truly loved his country. He was willing to die for it. He could have stayed on in the States, living comfortably in Boston, speaking out against Marcos from afar. But he made the decision to go home and be killed. It's a very unique, amazing story...I'm surprised there hasn't been a good movie made about it. In fact, I haven't been able to find a good recent book about it either...at least in English. The two books I have were made in the 1980s and 1990s.
A Marcos being in power now...well...yeah. I know.
And Speer was such a liar. There were common German peasants who had a good idea what was happening to the Jews and other parts of the Reich's population. But we're supposed to believe that Speer, a man who was working his slaves to death in mines, had no idea about the Holocaust? Absolute bullshit. He successfully fixed his reputation in the West for a time. He's also one of the most engaging speakers in the excellent BBC World War II doc (still considered the best WWII doc because of all the primary source interviews, including people like Admiral Karl Dönitz). But Speer was full of shit. After he died in 1981, more evidence was released that proved his awareness, if not his complicity. He was definitely present at Reich conferences during which some of the lectures were subjects like "How successful has the Jewish annihilation been so far?".
Seshmeister (09-30-2023)
In Adam Tooze's Wages of Destruction, he mentions several instances where Speer visited factories where Jews in skilled positions were being systematically worked and starved to death and yes, he knew...
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