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    Quote Originally Posted by silverfish View Post
    I don't ever see this as an option. Ever. Would happily eat my words somewhere down the line but
    anyone holding out for this is wishing in one hand and shitting in the other.



    Another no effing way. I've said it before and stick by it - the fan base for any CVH material is -
    let's face it - dying off, and in the eventuality they do release something classic, no one will will be around
    to give a shit. Or really appreciate it.

    As much as I'd like to think otherwise any VH vault material will remain an eternal pipe dream. Bottom
    line is the money. The longer you wait to drop something Classic, the fewer fans will be around to pay
    whatever you ask. Your window for max cash is long gone and will never be bigger than it is today.
    On the other hand dropping clips on an official YT channel or some such would do wonders for
    fan appreciation or whatever if $$ isn't a factor.
    I had little to nothing by way of expectation from Van Halen in the 20 years leading up to Eddie passing.

    Truth be told I haven't had much by way of expectation from Van Halen since I first heard 5150. I did post-1985 have some moments of anticipation.

    I was hopeful that even with Roth gone, Van Halen would continue to make good music, thus I anticipated the release of the 5150 album.

    I got Why Can't This Be Love instead.

    I was hopeful in 1996 that when news of Hagar's departure and Roth's return was leaked, CVH would undertake a full-length album and tour.

    I got Gary Cherone in the band instead.

    I was hopeful for a couple of years after news of Cherone leaving the band being announced that CVH would try and reunite again.

    I got a Van Hagar reunion instead.

    I was hopeful following Roth rejoining in 2006 for a full-length album of new material and an eventual CVH reunion.

    I got a bunch of reworked demos from the 1970s, a live album from 2013 I didn't want to hear and two more tours with Ed's kid.

    There were a few moments from 1985 on where the band managed to conjure up some of the fire that attracted me to them all those years ago.

    Few and far inbetween.

    Overall, subverting expectations and anticipation was what the band did best after Roth left in 1985.

    Should the band do nothing from here on out, it won't even be a case of disappointment for me considering the last nearly 40 years of output, rather par for the course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I had little to nothing by way of expectation from Van Halen in the 20 years leading up to Eddie passing.
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    Should the band do nothing from here on out, it won't even be a case of disappointment for me considering the last nearly 40 years of output, rather par for the course.
    Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
    We got what they gave and - bottom line, like it or not - that's all there is to it.
    I get that that is all any fan can/should "expect" of a creator but fer chrissakes it doesn't make it any easier.
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    The kid is teasing an announcement on 3/23.
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    https://twitter.com/WolfVanHalen/sta...195572226?s=20


    Looks like a new music video with three different Wolfie's... again. Because.. you know? He played all the instruments on the album.. like his hero.. Dave Grohl. Again.
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    We can day dream all day about the potential gems sitting in the VH vaults... There's a fully mixed, mastered and packaged box set of the studio outtakes from the Dave era that could be released tomorrow... but it sits in WB's vault on hold since 2004.

    Right now, Wolfgang isn't key holder for releasing any Van Halen or his father's material. Alex is in the drivers seat until he joins Ed...

    The 03-22-2023 the kid™ is posting on social media is for a MammothWVH release. Oh fuckin Yippy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silexxx View Post
    https://twitter.com/WolfVanHalen/sta...195572226?s=20


    Looks like a new music video with three different Wolfie's... again. Because.. you know? He played all the instruments on the album.. like his hero.. Dave Grohl. Again.
    Again? He did a video like that. He's out of ideas already?

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    Now, that is the sound of a Montrose cover band.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Again? He did a video like that. He's out of ideas already?
    And he even stole that idea from Ronnie Wood......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    And choosing one of Zep's most boring formulaic, pedestrian efforts didn't help. But the opening line is just truth; "It's been a long time since I rock and roiled." Yeah, I agree...
    I also resent how he says "this is a song by some old friends of ours" in the video...as if those guys gave a flying fuck about Sammy Hagar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Actually, that was their shitty cover of The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again"....

    Truly a terrible cover version. Captures absolutely NONE of the brilliance of The Who's original composition and performance. And this coming from a band who made tons of 70s rock originals great in their club days, with really nice versions of songs like The Stones' IF YOU CAN'T ROCK ME, Bad Company's ROCK STEADY...and their never-ending ability to make great new versions of classic Kinks songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    ...Now if only these established acts will quit giving him a spot on their tours, we might actually get what we really want out of this moron...
    That may be my favorite quote here in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasonL View Post
    One is grade school T-ball and the other is the New York Yankees.
    Fucking A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silexxx View Post
    .. like his hero.. Dave Grohl. Again.
    Am I one of the only ones who is so sick of Dave fucking Grohl? Seriously...and I was in high school in the 90s. But this guy just pisses me off now. I can't take his bullshit "nice guy" persona. Now I hear he's stealing Matt Cameron (from Soundgarden, a band 1,000 times better than Foo Fighters...and yes, even Pearl Jam, and even they are better than Foo Fighters) to be his new drummer.

    Dave Grohl acts like he IS rock. But when the plaudits die down, and I have to hear a new Foo Fighters song, I always think, "If this is what rock 'n' roll always were, I doubt I'd be as into rock as I am."

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    The kid is teasing an announcement on 3/23.
    Congratulations to Wolfie. He finally emptied his fridge and ate his own hand...and now I don't have to hear him play an instrument anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Again? He did a video like that. He's out of ideas already?
    What's Wolfie trying to prove? That 400 lbs. x 4 = 1,600 lbs of bad music?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikk View Post
    Am I one of the only ones who is so sick of Dave fucking Grohl?
    Sick of Grohl. Sick of Dwayne Johnson. Sick of Ryan Seacrest. Sick of the Manning brothers being positioned as "nice guys." Let someone else work!

    Kevin Hart, too. Fuck that little unfunny midget!
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    Kid posted "ACATEOTW." Song title? Probably ending in "The End Of The World?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Kid posted "ACATEOTW." Song title? Probably ending in "The End Of The World?"


    Good guess. Not available yet but here's the link to the soon to be released video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikk View Post
    Am I one of the only ones who is so sick of Dave fucking Grohl? Seriously...and I was in high school in the 90s. But this guy just pisses me off now. I can't take his bullshit "nice guy" persona. Now I hear he's stealing Matt Cameron (from Soundgarden, a band 1,000 times better than Foo Fighters...and yes, even Pearl Jam, and even they are better than Foo Fighters) to be his new drummer.

    Dave Grohl acts like he IS rock. But when the plaudits die down, and I have to hear a new Foo Fighters song, I always think, "If this is what rock 'n' roll always were, I doubt I'd be as into rock as I am."

    Yeah, like I never said anything about that yellow-tooth media whore. Grohl is the epitome of all that sucks in music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Yeah, like I never said anything about that yellow-tooth media whore. Grohl is the epitome of all that sucks in music.
    Indeed. People talk about how amazing it is that he's so prolific. Well, I'll tell you something: if all you do is write the same mediocre song over and over again, it's easy to pump out 20 songs a year.

    Look at Hagar? He's constantly pumping out new music. Well, if the bar you set is awfully low, it's no problem. If every time you write a song, you say, "That's done!", then it's easy to pump out albums full of mediocrity.

    I'm not going to claim Grohl has NEVER written a good song...but I know that I'd have to sift through 30 songs to find a good one every time.

    Look at Stanley Kubrick. He made a new film every 10 years by the end of his life. If you're the greatest filmmaker who ever lived, you need to really put in the time to produce exceptional work.

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    Again, I ask, what has Ghohl really done beside play drums on a shitty grunge album over 30 years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverfish View Post
    Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
    We got what they gave and - bottom line, like it or not - that's all there is to it.
    I get that that is all any fan can/should "expect" of a creator but fer chrissakes it doesn't make it any easier.
    Along the lines of what you said, I get that all a fan is entitled to from a band is to listen to whatever music the band releases and decide if it's something to be liked or not.

    I mean, I don't think the remaining members of Van Halen owed me anything. I never thought along those lines.

    However, also along the lines of what you said...I mean, CVH was so shit-hot that to NOT be disappointed by what the band devolved into after Roth left...that band could have done a LOT better because we all knew darn well at one time they were capable of doing much better.

    But, like I said, at this point after 25 years of the band getting precious little right and 3 years after Eddie's passing...there's little point in continuing to be letdown. It's over. Realistically, it was over when Roth left in 1985, but as long as the 4 members of CVH were still vertical there was that dim hope they could somehow put it all back together. It never happened.

    Thankfully, the music still resonates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Didn't Sam and Ed play Rock And Roll at Farm Aid?
    And turned it into Farm AIDS....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Actually, that was their shitty cover of The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again"....

    Yeah now I recall, trying to forget. It's even worse since I love The Who and am lukewarm at best on Zep. I think Ed did some wanker shit on his guitar to approximate Pete Townsends original organ overlay, which seemed extremely douchy since he had no problem with synths and keys on any other Van H$$$$ song...

    Jerked off to the hilt...

    The real version, not even the best but way better than Van Cuntgar:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikk View Post
    Am I one of the only ones who is so sick of Dave fucking Grohl? Seriously...and I was in high school in the 90s. But this guy just pisses me off now. I can't take his bullshit "nice guy" persona. Now I hear he's stealing Matt Cameron (from Soundgarden, a band 1,000 times better than Foo Fighters...and yes, even Pearl Jam, and even they are better than Foo Fighters) to be his new drummer.

    Dave Grohl acts like he IS rock. But when the plaudits die down, and I have to hear a new Foo Fighters song, I always think, "If this is what rock 'n' roll always were, I doubt I'd be as into rock as I am."
    I liked the first two Foo Fighters albums. LIKED them.

    Can't say as I'm sick of the guy because he is easily ignored, but I never bought a ticket on the Dave Grohl train re: those who consider him being this exceptional rock drummer when in Nirvana or the Foo Fighters being an exceptional rock band re: the quality of the music.

    He may well be a nice guy, but overall his music is simultaneously boring and formulaic to my ears: if the music doesn't move me a wonderful personality isn't going to make the music sound any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Yeah now I recall, trying to forget. It's even worse since I love The Who and am lukewarm at best on Zep. I think Ed did some wanker shit on his guitar to approximate Pete Townsends original organ overlay, which seemed extremely douchy since he had no problem with synths and keys on any other Van H$$$$ song...
    I think Fitz from Night Ranger was playing live keys offstage for those tours. Wouldn't have been hard to replicate the keyboard parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silexxx View Post


    Good guess. Not available yet but here's the link to the soon to be released video.
    Looks like we are in for a little fretboard tapping….THAT’S the way to step outside of pop’s shadow and end those silly comparisons!
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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Kid posted "ACATEOTW." Song title? Probably ending in "The End Of The World?"
    When I saw that I assumed it was Another Cake At The End Of The World...

    I didn't know you had Celebrations in the US...

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    Kinda Foo Fighters-ish. Little bit tapping. Solo and the drums are the best parts.

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    I like the new song... good drum and guitar work!

    His vocal melodies are stuck in a boring rut... He needs to go sit down with his Daddy's Classic 6-Pack™ and immerse himself in Uncle Dave's creative approach to vocal melodies to expand his compositional approach to vocals and creating tension within the melodic structure. Plus learn how to evoke some other emotion beyond whining, screaming, crying millennial angst... try something simple like... happy or a sense of mischief in the emotional realm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silexxx View Post
    Some of those are funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I like the new song...
    I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I don't.
    Agreed.

    Song is lame shit.
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    Also Wolf is still a fat slob.

    His Dad in his prime looked like a rock star.

    Wolf doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Some of those are funny.
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    Its so easy to get this fat fuck riled up.

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    The new song isn't the worst thing I've ever heard...but it is SO fucking generic and the melodies/vocals are so unmemorable. I can't imagine giving this another listen for any reason. It's generic rock music that pushes NO envelope. It's a bunch of old rock 'n' roll tricks tried again, wrapped up in one neat, shit-sandwich package. I can't believe this is the son of the guy who wrote the music for LIGHT UP THE SKY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikk View Post
    The new song isn't the worst thing I've ever heard...but it is SO fucking generic and the melodies/vocals are so unmemorable. I can't imagine giving this another listen for any reason. It's generic rock music that pushes NO envelope. It's a bunch of old rock 'n' roll tricks tried again, wrapped up in one neat, shit-sandwich package. I can't believe this is the son of the guy who wrote the music for LIGHT UP THE SKY.
    Well keep in mind he's also Val's son as well. I doubt there was an ounce of anything musical in her body. Lots of blow in the early days and then just food - as in stuffing her face.

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    The funny part is the pizza order that has to be in the vids...damn food is the new drug
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikk View Post
    The new song isn't the worst thing I've ever heard...but it is SO fucking generic and the melodies/vocals are so unmemorable. I can't imagine giving this another listen for any reason. It's generic rock music that pushes NO envelope. It's a bunch of old rock 'n' roll tricks tried again, wrapped up in one neat, shit-sandwich package. I can't believe this is the son of the guy who wrote the music for LIGHT UP THE SKY.
    Even just on the merits of the music itself, removed from the idea that just because Eddie was who he was therefore his son should be able to create music of the same caliber, the tune is average; much like the Mammoth album, nothing I'm going to want to hear again.

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