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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Once again VH shits on its fans. By far, the worst band in the world to be a super fan of.
    My advice is forget about it. Life goes on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Alex can help put together a massive CVH box set "Live Anthology" including the pre-78 stuff like club gigs but for whatever reason its not seeing the light of day.

    What's stopping Al from doing this? Is it Wolf?

    If he's so protective of the legacy why not showcase the band at its very best (CVH years).
    When did Alex ever care about the fans? He was well known to dodge them. The only person who really was friendly with the fans was Mike.

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    Look. They don’t care about you. Both Al and Wolf have their fuck you money. Wolf gets more pleasure shitting on fans than he would from the money he would make releasing stuff. Oh you liked my dad but hate me. Suck my big fat ass you Schlebbs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Alex can help put together a massive CVH box set "Live Anthology" including the pre-78 stuff like club gigs but for whatever reason its not seeing the light of day.

    What's stopping Al from doing this? Is it Wolf?

    If he's so protective of the legacy why not showcase the band at its very best (CVH years).
    I have no clue where Alex's head is at regarding the legacy and releasing old material... but the thought did occur to me that from the inception of Van Halen the band thru the Dave era and into the Hagar years was prior to Alex getting sober. Odds are he may harbor a lot of past demons and not necessarily view that material as positively as we, the fans, do...

    It may be a matter of leaving the past as it is rather than revisit it from a deeply personal perspective for Alex and also his life with Edward... Something to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    7 great albums.

    I don't give a fuck after '84 either. But as Mike recently stated, there is tons of pro shot and soundboard recorded live shows. I am more than interested in that stuff.
    I wouldn't say ADKOT is a bad album...just not listening to it much anymore...it was (I assume) about as good as the band could do circa 2009-2012 considering, I suppose.

    Would still be interested in CVH pro shot live shows (perhaps a little less so with solely audio live stuff in that even if, say, every CVH gig ever played had been recorded by the band via the soundboard it wouldn't be a case of me actually wanting to hear every single CVH live show ever). If that stuff gets released, great. If not, the bootlegged stuff I've got already along with the stuff I don't that has surfaced online will (obviously) have to suffice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I have no clue where Alex's head is at regarding the legacy and releasing old material... but the thought did occur to me that from the inception of Van Halen the band thru the Dave era and into the Hagar years was prior to Alex getting sober. Odds are he may harbor a lot of past demons and not necessarily view that material as positively as we, the fans, do...

    It may be a matter of leaving the past as it is rather than revisit it from a deeply personal perspective for Alex and also his life with Edward... Something to consider.
    I'm not sure what Al is thinking.

    There was an interview with someone close to the VH camp around the time before Tokyo Dome was released.

    Apparently the band was indeed trying to release a club gig from the old days. I'm not sure what this was, year or what show. Maybe they were thinking of the Pasadena 77 show. Dont know.

    But that's what part of the plan was after ADKOT.

    Why didn't it happen? Apparently they didn't like how the kick drum sounded LOL.

    And for whatever reason that project was shelved and we got Tokyo Dome instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I wouldn't say ADKOT is a bad album...just not listening to it much anymore...
    I listen to it semi regularly. I think it is a great album, just wish it would have come out way before it did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    (perhaps a little less so with solely audio live stuff in that even if, say, every CVH gig ever played had been recorded by the band via the soundboard it wouldn't be a case of me actually wanting to hear every single CVH live show ever).
    I would listen to every one of them!
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    From Alan who produced the documentary posted at VHLinks...

    Hi everyone, sorry I have been quiet about what happened with my Van Halen videos. I'm working hard to get the videos back up and should know something in the next 10 days or so. Once this is resolved, I will give everyone the backstory. Thanks for your patience. -Alan

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    Good to hear. I'd really like to see the remaining 3 eps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Look. They don’t care about you. Both Al and Wolf have their fuck you money. Wolf gets more pleasure shitting on fans than he would from the money he would make releasing stuff.
    I think it's very likely Wolf has that thing that most people who have been born with an insane advantage in life whereby they think they achieved it themselves. His is an extreme example but in my experience people born as rich kids in general usually don't think about how the education and network of people their parents give them access to is why they are doing so well rather than their own work and ability.

    It's too uncomfortable for someone like that to compare themselves with all the thousands of guys their own age who worked much harder and were much more talented getting nowhere.
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    Further updates from Alan as posted at VHLinks...

    Here is a quick update on the status of my Van Halen documentary. The videos are now in the hands of the mighty Alex Van Halen. If anyone has contact with him, please let him know if you want to see my doc. I will give you all the details soon. -Alan
    Edit: To clarify…he has the videos to watch and approve or squash the project. Before last week he knew nothing about the videos. I would happily give him ownership if he would let fans see it.

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    Let's hope Al does the right thing for the fans. I don't hold much hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Let's hope Al does the right thing for the fans. I don't hold much hope.
    If he finds anything in there that he doesn't like or thinks is not accurate the videos will never see the light of day.

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    I wonder how many times Alex will view it and go... "wait a minute... is that what happened? Nobody told me... "

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    I suppose if it is pro Clichegar as some here have suggested, Al will never let it see the light of day. I'd have to agree with him in that case!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I wonder how many times Alex will view it and go... "wait a minute... is that what happened? Nobody told me... "
    Or "where was I?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I suppose if it is pro Clichegar as some here have suggested, Al will never let it see the light of day. I'd have to agree with him in that case!
    I believe it only covers 1983 up thru the breakup with Dave in 1985...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I believe it only covers 1983 up thru the breakup with Dave in 1985...
    I think its reference to the doc being skewed towards Dave being the main culprit of the breakup. When we all know thats just how Eddie and Co. painted it post 1985.

    One of the things that I noticed in one part of the narration is that he referred to Dave as Ed's "nemesis" which is ridiculous.

    They were partners in this big thing they helped create. Sure, they were at odds in terms of conflicts with certain direction to take songs, band stuff, etc.

    But nemesis is a bit too far. Especially taking into account the time period of 1983.
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    Well, Dave was the primary culprit of the breakup. How can you frame it any other way..? He was the one who wanted to go off and do the movie and released a solo EP...

    Not saying Ed, Alex and management weren't innocent victims in what transpired, but Dave made the moves himself that led to the breakup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Well, Dave was the primary culprit of the breakup. How can you frame it any other way..? He was the one who wanted to go off and do the movie and released a solo EP...

    Not saying Ed, Alex and management weren't innocent victims in what transpired, but Dave made the moves himself that led to the breakup.
    For years Ed noodled and did outside projects. Of course not high profile cause mainly he wasnt a singer.

    Dave didn't want to leave the band but wanted to do the EP and the movie. After six albums and a grueling 10-12 years of first clubbing then endless headline touring, why not?

    Was that so bad? Freddie Mercury for instance did a solo thing but that didn't break up Queen.

    Ed just couldn't handle the fact that CFTH did very well for an EP. And the videos were in regular rotation and very popular.

    I mean, all that benefitted the next CVH album. More exposure. Guess Ed didnt see it that way.
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    Funny that Al is going after this and they didn't go after the "Early Years" thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Funny that Al is going after this and they didn't go after the "Early Years" thing.
    Perhaps post-Ed passing he's trying to be more aware of what's out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I wouldn't say ADKOT is a bad album...just not listening to it much anymore...
    I respect this opinion...but I have to say: my personal feelings are NOT the same.

    I waited for decades (literally) for something like ADKOT to be recorded/released. I was 9 when I found out that there would be no follow-up to 1984 (which was my first album I got by my new favorite band). I was crushed when I heard Dave left. I actually DID NOT see the point in the band releasing anything else. Dave was the reason I got into VH. My whole life changed when I saw the JUMP video at the tender age of 8. I loved the musicians...but Dave was the reason I became a fan.

    I tried to listen to some of the Hagar stuff...but even at that young age, I thought: "Now they sound like so many other bands...bands I don't like." I didn't like Journey. I didn't want VH to turn into another Journey.

    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I listen to it semi regularly. I think it is a great album, just wish it would have come out way before it did.
    Exactly my thoughts. I've rarely been as excited as I was in 2011-12 for a new album. I didn't feel the same "almost my whole world is depending on this" excitement I felt when I heard Sam was out & Dave was back in the summer of '96. Not even close. The band had fucked fans over so many times between 1996 and 2012. BUT...having a new VH album with Dave in 2012...I was so fucking stoked.

    AND...almost nothing about A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRUTH is lacking for me. Sure...I don't like the mix and compressed sound as much as the 6-pack. And sure...Dave's voice is not what it was during the original years.

    But I was NEVER one of those fans angry that Mike wasn't included. I saw the reunion tour twice and thought Wolfgang held his own on bass...and the backing vocals, while not as good as in the original days, were fine.

    Frankly, I was kind of satisfied seeing Mike kicked out finally. I thought he was a traitor for following Hagar in the years before the 2007 reunion. AND...I'll never forget reading Mike in an interview around 1996, admitting that he was the one band member who especially didn't want Roth to return. He even admitted that he told the brothers he really didn't want Roth back. I remember reading that and thinking, "Maybe they should can your fat ass and keep Roth."

    Refreshing to hear VON saying he considers ADKOT one of the 7 VH albums he thoroughly enjoys. I LOVE IT. The songs are great, Dave's lyrics are great (often an improvement over the lyrics on the original '76 and '77 demos)...and the band smokes. It's the true return of Van Halen.

    To me: top-notch Van Halen is those first six albums (I love all six), the two songs from BEST OF (I still love both of those songs, especially ME WISE MAGIC, and listen to them regularly) and A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRUTH. I still listen to it regularly. SHE'S THE WOMAN, YOU & YOUR BLUES, CHINA TOWN, BLOOD & FIRE, BULLETHEAD, OUTTA SPACE (LET'S GET ROCKIN' still has the better solo), STAY FROSTY, BIG RIVER & BEATS WORKIN' are all still prime Van Halen to me. I even like TATTOO. Even the three songs I don't like quite as much as the rest of the album (AS IS, HONEYBABYSWEETIEDOLL and THE TROUBLE WITH NEVER) are still solid Van Halen for me. There's not one track I don't like.

    The only thing I would like would be a solid remix of ADKOT with less compression and more high-end in the sound. But considering how many possible releases are on VH fans' wishlists, I'm not holding my breath.

    I would love to see some pro-shot Blu-Rays of classic-era (or even reunion era) live gigs to see release...or even another live era. I can't believe they think fans should be excited over a re-release of LIVE: RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. That's a terrible live album. Just terrible. (Even LIVE WITHOUT A NET is much better than RHRN.)

    BUT (and again, I'm not holding my breath)...the coolest thing the band could do (besides some vault releases of studio outtakes from the 6-pack, including the remixed '77 demos...all this was compiled in the mid-2000s but never got band approval for release) would be for Wolf & Al to go through the 5150 vaults, compile a bunch of instrumental outtakes Ed recorded during all those years he had his studio, get Dave down to the studio to turn them into finished songs with new vocals...and put it out as another album. THAT would be great. Basically an 8th Van Halen album.

    BUT...I'm not holding my breath.
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    Episode 2 uploaded on Dave's YouTube now.
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    Update as posted on VHLinks by Alan...

    Episodes 1 & 2 are back up on youtube. Plus episode 2 is posted on Dave's youtube channel...

    Thanks to Diamond David Lee Roth, my videos are back up. I will let everyone know later what happened.

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    Interesting. Saw that Dave posted it on his socials.

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    Yeah, I just saw that. Interesting.

    I had already downloaded the first two episodes, but I'm hoping we get to see the others soon too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    For years Ed noodled and did outside projects. Of course not high profile cause mainly he wasnt a singer.

    Dave didn't want to leave the band but wanted to do the EP and the movie. After six albums and a grueling 10-12 years of first clubbing then endless headline touring, why not?

    Was that so bad? Freddie Mercury for instance did a solo thing but that didn't break up Queen.

    Ed just couldn't handle the fact that CFTH did very well for an EP. And the videos were in regular rotation and very popular.

    I mean, all that benefitted the next CVH album. More exposure. Guess Ed didnt see it that way.
    I think playing the solo on “Beat It”, a song on the highest selling album of all time, overshadowed Dave’s kicky remake of California Girls. I think that irked Dave to no end, Ed getting all this attention without trying meanwhile all Roth ever did was try to get attention. I can’t, however, disagree with what Dave said about Ed’s contribution to MJ’s album…..”he goes over there and plays the same solo he does on every song”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
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    I'll merge it tomorrow...

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    Well the shit shows has returned and the videos were taken down again... The following are posts by Alan at VHLinks...

    This story gets crazier and crazier. Yesterday went from an extreme high back to down to almost square one. I can't wait to fill you all in. But for now, I have to zip it back up.
    I thought about it. But man, I'm ready to move the fuck on. lol..I will probably just do a podcast and then go on with my life.
    I can confirm Al is a complete douche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I think it's very likely Wolf has that thing that most people who have been born with an insane advantage in life whereby they think they achieved it themselves. His is an extreme example but in my experience people born as rich kids in general usually don't think about how the education and network of people their parents give them access to is why they are doing so well rather than their own work and ability.

    It's too uncomfortable for someone like that to compare themselves with all the thousands of guys their own age who worked much harder and were much more talented getting nowhere.
    In other words Wolfie is a spoiled brat. Well he grew up with more jingle but you probably wouldn’t want to trade your life with his. He’s a miserable fuck.

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    Alex is like Wolfgang. He hates the fans. He always did. He would purposely dodge them. Probably the biggest fan hater in the band. Fans were chumps to take money from and fuck. No reason to care about them because you can piss all over them and they still have to have Van Halen.

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    Looks like Al is going to have to die. Anyways his wife and kids will cash in. Watch Wolfie sue but maybe then the fans get their fix.

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    What I learned from the US Festival is a chain link fence is not going to get in the way of a few thousand people determined to take a shortcut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Look. They don’t care about you. Both Al and Wolf have their fuck you money. Wolf gets more pleasure shitting on fans than he would from the money he would make releasing stuff. Oh you liked my dad but hate me. Suck my big fat ass you Schlebbs!
    Wolf does kinda shit on fans, living in his dad’s shadow must get to him. But it’s funny how he has no problem milking being Ed’s son at the same time, “ I’m using pop’s OG guitar on my next album”. When his band’s popularity levels off or dips a bit he will start playing the “occasional” CVH tune.

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