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    Elon Musk Blames The Jews For His Twitter X Flop

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    Is Twitter even a thing anymore?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    He was never fucking Henry Ford. Ford for all his flaws invented his mass production. Musk fucking stole it from the other 4-6 founders of Tesla. Musk is kind of like Hitler, he didn't found the party, he just joined it and hijacked everything....
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    Elon Musk Saved Russian Navy so They Could Fire Missiles at Civilians Murdering Them

    Elon Musk Acknowledges Withholding Satellite Service to Thwart Ukrainian Attack
    The Starlink satellite internet service, which is operated by Mr. Musk’s rocket company SpaceX, has been a digital lifeline for soldiers and civilians in Ukraine



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    A Ukrainian soldier using a Starlink system during military exercises in Ukraine’s Chernihiv region in June.Credit...Maxym Marusenko/NurPhoto, via Getty Images

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    A top adviser to Ukraine’s president accused Elon Musk of enabling Russian aggression, after the billionaire entrepreneur acknowledged denying satellite internet service in order to prevent a Ukrainian drone attack on a Russian naval fleet last year.

    The Starlink satellite internet service, which is operated by Mr. Musk’s rocket company SpaceX, has been a digital lifeline in Ukraine since the early days of the war for both civilians and soldiers in areas where digital infrastructure has been wiped out.

    On Thursday, CNN reported on an excerpt from Walter Isaacson’s upcoming biography “Elon Musk,” later published by The Washington Post, that said the billionaire had ordered the deactivation of Starlink satellite service near the coast of Crimea last September to thwart the Ukrainian attack. The excerpt said that Mr. Musk had conversations with a Russian official that led him to worry that an attack on Crimea could spiral into a nuclear conflict.

    Later on Thursday, Mr. Musk responded on his social media platform to say that he hadn’t disabled the service but had rather refused to comply with an emergency request from Ukrainian officials to enable Starlink connections to Sevastopol on the occupied Crimean peninsula. That was in effect an acknowledgment that he had made the decision to prevent a Ukrainian attack.

    “The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor,” he wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter. “If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.”

    That drew an angry response from Mykhailo Podolyak, a senior adviser to President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine. Mr. Musk’s “interference,” he said, had allowed Russia’s naval fleet to continue firing cruise missiles at Ukrainian cities.

    “As a result, civilians, children are being killed. This is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego,” he wrote on X.

    The account in the biography further confirms the ways in which Mr. Musk’s control over Starlink appears to be affecting Ukraine’s military. In July, The New York Times reported on Mr. Musk’s refusal to allow the service to work near Crimea, and the broader challenges Ukrainian officials were facing because of the country’s huge dependence on Starlink.

    Within days of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Mr. Musk sent Starlink terminals to the country in response to public pleas from Ukrainian officials. Throughout the war, the connectivity provided by Starlink has been pivotal for Ukraine to coordinate drone strikes and gather intelligence.

    The more than 42,000 Starlink terminals are also in use by hospitals, businesses and aid organizations across Ukraine.

    But Mr. Musk has repeatedly stoked controversy around access to Starlink, saying last October that he could not “indefinitely” finance Ukraine’s use of Starlink, then abruptly reversing course. The near-total control that he wields over connectivity in the war zone has prompted concern about his influence.

    In February, Ukrainian officials were angered after a SpaceX executive said that Starlink had taken steps to curtail the Ukrainian military’s use of the technology to control drones, a week after Mr. Musk said the company was “not allowing Starlink to be used for long-range drone strikes.” SpaceX has also used a process called geofencing to restrict where Starlink is available on the front lines.

    Because Starlink is a commercial product rather than a traditional defense contractor, Mr. Musk is able to make decisions that may not be aligned with U.S. interests, analysts have said.

    Ukraine, concerned about over-dependence on Starlink, has consulted other satellite internet providers, but no other services come close to its reach, officials have said.

    “Starlink is indeed the blood of our entire communication infrastructure now,” Mykhailo Fedorov, Ukraine’s digital minister, told The New York Times in a recent interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    He was never fucking Henry Ford. Ford for all his flaws invented his mass production. Musk fucking stole it from the other 4-6 founders of Tesla. Musk is kind of like Hitler, he didn't found the party, he just joined it and hijacked everything....
    I was arguing with some right-wing douchebag who claimed that the term "National Socialist" means that the Nazi party is affiliated with communism and the ultra-left. And that is complete bullshit. Hitler took a brand-name and then turned it into a brand-name (Nazi) that actually stood for a far-right fascist group.

    Henry Ford was both an innovator/genius and also a deplorable anti-Semite. But at least no one would deny that he was an innovator and, on some level, a genius. (He also was a preservationist...his Ford Village and Museum outside Detroit is a true gift to preserving so much of American history & culture.)

    Musk did not really invent anything. He's good at getting attention. He's the Sammy Hagar/salesman of fascistic right-wing shit-stirrers (with lots of money).

    Is he purposefully destroying Twitter (X)? I don't know. I haven't heard a convincing argument for why he's doing all this on purpose...but he's certainly successfully destroying the brand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikk View Post
    I was arguing with some right-wing douchebag who claimed that the term "National Socialist" means that the Nazi party is affiliated with communism and the ultra-left. And that is complete bullshit. Hitler took a brand-name and then turned it into a brand-name (Nazi) that actually stood for a far-right fascist group.

    Henry Ford was both an innovator/genius and also a deplorable anti-Semite. But at least no one would deny that he was an innovator and, on some level, a genius. (He also was a preservationist...his Ford Village and Museum outside Detroit is a true gift to preserving so much of American history & culture.)

    Musk did not really invent anything. He's good at getting attention. He's the Sammy Hagar/salesman of fascistic right-wing shit-stirrers (with lots of money).

    Is he purposefully destroying Twitter (X)? I don't know. I haven't heard a convincing argument for why he's doing all this on purpose...but he's certainly successfully destroying the brand.
    Yeah, it's a giant retard trope that rightists use as "I know you are but what am I?" The original tie in is that they used the word socialist just like East Germany and North Korea used the word "democratic" in their official national titles because they were trying to appeal to the working classes and their "socialism" was largely confined to taking ownership of "jew businesses". The original Nazis concept was to blend socialism with extreme nationalism, but they were all murdered off by time of The Night of the Long Knives. There were some diehard "socialist" Nazis just like Ernst Rohm was a diehard Nazi gay guy and leader of the Brownshirts, but they all ended up dead and gays went into the gas chambers. Something that people like Sammy Hagar would have approved of back then had they been German in 1933.

    Hitler and est., most of the original Nazis, were middle and upper class capitalists and business owners who resented the upper crust of German business elites but in no way actually wanted anything close to the "Jew-Bolsheviks" and their "socialists" appeal came largely out of the Great Depression but ultimately almost all German mainstream parties supported the Nazis, even the capitalist right wing ones. The German Democratic Party (centre'-left and pretty much the equivalent of the US Democratic Party today) is a notable exception. Nazis were very much corporatists, but yes they had a very large seizure of parts of the economy but the owners that towed the line very much stayed put and made lots of money. Germany was in a full war economy almost since the beginning of the Nat'l Socialist takeover in 1933 and was no more "socialist" than the US' war economy starting in 1941, in which the US gov't began planning yet thousands of good capitalists somehow still made billion$. If Donald Trump ever became a full blown dictator, he would pretty much do exactly what many Nazis did and seize assets that he wanted (like Facebook)...

    If someone thinks the Nazis were "socialists", just watch Schindler's List with a stupid autistic right wing cunt and ask him, "then why did Schindler get rich"? Why were there so many predictable corporatist Germans from BMW, Semens and Krupps that all got rich? Why do modern Nazis, er, "white nationalists," all support Trump?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Is Twitter even a thing anymore?
    That's a fair question... it has been rebranded as "X" which historically represents an unknown value or thing.

    So from a certain point of view... the branding change to an unspecified "thing" would cause one to lean toward an affirmative to answer your question. It's now officially a "thing?"...
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    I dunno, this looks like a win for the people having a voice and ridiculous politicians being held to account. We can't really think MSNBC and CNN will help here at all:

    ChayaRaichik10 (@Chaya Raichik) posted: This smug loser really mocked this citizen journalist and said only “3 people will watch your bullsh*t video.”

    It now has over 2M views https://x.com/chayaraichik10/status/...0hVmJwYyUCzbEQ
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    EU warns Elon Musk over ‘disinformation’ on X about Hamas attack

    EU warns Elon Musk over ‘disinformation’ on X about Hamas attack
    Failing to moderate content such as fake news could incur fine of 6% of X revenues or EU blackout under new laws


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    The EU has issued a warning to Elon Musk over the alleged disinformation about the Hamas attack on Israel, including fake news and “repurposed old images”, on X, which was formerly known as Twitter.

    The letter arrives less than two months after sweeping new laws regulating content on social media seen in the EU came into force under the Digital Services Act.

    If Musk, the owner of X, does not comply he can face a fine of 6% of his revenues from X or a total blackout in the EU.

    Thierry Breton, the commissioner responsible for the act, wrote to Musk to urge him to ensure “a prompt, accurate, and complete response” to the request to contact Europol, the EU police enforcement agency, and “relevant law enforcement agencies” within the next 24 hours.

    Breton reminded Musk that he needed to have “proportionate and effective mitigation measures to tackle the risks to public security and civic discourse stemming from disinformation”.

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    “Following the terrorist attacks carried out by Hamas against Israel, we have indications your platform is being used to disseminate illegal content and disinformation in the EU,” wrote Breton.

    “Public media and civil society organisations widely report instances of fake and manipulated images and facts circulating on your platform in the EU, such as repurposed old images of unrelated armed conflicts or military footage that actually originated from video games. This appears to be manifestly false or misleading information,” he said.

    “Let me remind you that the Digital Services Act sets very precise obligations regarding content moderation,” Breton said, adding that changes in X’s public interest policies raised questions about his compliance to the new rules.

    Musk quit a voluntary code of practice set up by the EU earlier this year to enable social media companies to put in place systems to comply with the new laws. Facebook, Google, TikTok and other companies are participating in the code of practice and are removing disinformation under the new rules.

    He responded to Breton on X saying: “Please list the violations you allude to on X, so that the public can see them.”

    In a reference to the law’s requirement that platforms regulate their own content under the new laws Breton replied: “Up to you to demonstrate that you walk the talk.”

    Breton’s strongly worded letter told Musk: “First, you need to be very transparent and clear on what content is permitted under your terms and consistently and diligently enforce your own policies. This is particularly relevant when it comes to violent and terrorist content that appears to circulate on your platform. Your latest changes in public interest policies that occurred over night left many European users uncertain.

    “Second, when you receive notices of illegal content in the EU, you must be timely, diligent and objective in taking action and removing the relevant content when warranted. We have, from qualified sources, reports about potentially illegal content circulating on your service despite flags from relevant authorities.”

    Under the new laws social media companies must respond to complaints about illegal content within 24 hours. They can dispute complaints by users, but there is an appeal process for consumers.

    There are concerns in Brussels that Twitter is not responding within 24 hours to complaints about disinformation or other illegal content such as hate speech within the required time.

    Breton asked Musk to “urgently ensure that your systems are effective” and to report back immediately to the EU over the crisis measures he has taken.

    “Given the urgency, I also expect you to be in contact with the relevant law enforcement authorities and Europol, and ensure that you respond promptly to their requests,” Breton added.

    In its briefings to press on the Digital Services Act, the EU has explained that those who are not participating in the voluntary code of practice will not be eligible to argue “mitigating” factors if it comes to punitive measures taken in Brussels.

    Breton told Musk: “We will include your answer in our assessment file on your compliance with the DSA. I remind you that following the opening of a potential investigation and a finding of non-compliance, penalties can be imposed.”

    X came under scrutiny in the past few days after concerns were raised about fake posts and Elon Musk’s recommendation of war coverage from accounts that have made false claims or antisemitic comments.

    Musk recommended two accounts on Sunday, writing: “For following the war in real-time, @WarMonitors and @sentdefender are good. It is also worth following direct sources on the ground. Please add interesting options in the replies below.”

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    It's a huge problem for sure for X. I still think it's better now than before. At least now, we can determine (at some point) who is full of BS. How can you do that when you have people not only with fingers on the scale, but there is no scale? Its one prescribed and Gov't dictated narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    It's a huge problem for sure for X. I still think it's better now than before. At least now, we can determine (at some point) who is full of BS. How can you do that when you have people not only with fingers on the scale, but there is no scale? Its one prescribed and Gov't dictated narrative.
    All social media is shit. It bottle necks the internet and controls information and collects and sells data on its customers. Social media has not had a good affect on society.
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    Anyways the little people will argue on social media and the few people with the power will do what they want. One thing for sure, they want less little people. They don’t need all of us. War is great for them. They make money off it and it kills people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    It's a huge problem for sure for X. I still think it's better now than before. At least now, we can determine (at some point) who is full of BS. How can you do that when you have people not only with fingers on the scale, but there is no scale? Its one prescribed and Gov't dictated narrative.
    WTF are you even on about? Which "gov't directive?" The Russian "fancy bear" one dictated by the GRU?

    How about this? Say something bad about Tesla on "X" for an extended period and AutismElan will not onlyban your account but will literally call your boss!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    All social media is shit. It bottle necks the internet and controls information and collects and sells data on its customers. Social media has not had a good affect on society.
    One of the few recent non-VH related things you've said I agree with 100%, though not necessarily for the same reasons but IDK...

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    Nickd. Were you asleep the month all of the info was revealed how the various govt agencies asked Twitter to censor en masse? Wtf? They had regular meetings. This went waaaay too far.

    Again, how else are we going to find out about gems like this exposing CNN for the frauds they are:
    https://x.com/wallstreetsilv/status/...0hVmJwYyUCzbEQ

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    Interestingly, Twitter under Musk actually has a good record responding to concerns:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/katheri...h=762aa5d224ea

    For sure, trying to determine what should and shouldn't be on X/Twitter is a challenge. Community Notes seems to be working quite well so far, but there is so much on the platform, its hard to keep up.

    There are all kinds of arguements flowing out there...its Musk's fault, it was better before...Yeah, I don;t think so.

    Do we really have to go down the Biden laptop do we? EVERYONE knew it was legit...everyone. And yet it was surpressed on Twitter and elsewhere to win an election. You can pretend it didn't happen and that there were questions. They all knew, and you know they did. This is now accepted as consensus. You are forgetting it? ok

    https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/opinion...c-40439d1be461

    https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciar...orship-effort/

    https://nationalpost.com/news/twitte...ech-censorship
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    Do we really have to go down the Biden laptop do we? EVERYONE knew it was legit...everyone. And yet it was surpressed on Twitter and elsewhere to win an election. You can pretend it didn't happen and that there were questions. They all knew, and you know they did. This is now accepted as consensus. You are forgetting it? ok

    https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/opinion...c-40439d1be461

    https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciar...orship-effort/

    https://nationalpost.com/news/twitte...ech-censorship
    Posting a few more random links and some generalized statement does not make anything "consensus" in any world in which we live.

    "Hunter's laptop" eventually became a punchline for paranoia and desperation from a bunch of people who, meanwhile, continued to try and argue with a straight face that January 6 was a Democrat operation... ("Everyone knew it was legit"...LMFAO. Really?)

    "Covering up a laptop story" had NOTHING to do with why Biden won the election. He won the election because people came out in droves to vote out one of the laziest, most despicable people to ever hold office in our country.

    I can speak to this with personal authority: I didn't vote FOR Biden. I voted AGAINST Trump. My wife wanted to move to Canada (she never lived there, but as you know, I did) if that piece of shit Trump won a second time.

    Every time I meet some conservative nut who starts raving on about Hunter Biden, I ask them very simply: "What happened on January 6?" And, without fail, they start raving on that it was a Democrat operation to make MAGAs look bad, etc. And then I ask them: why was Trump there in person, urging people to march? Did he not organize it himself with a tweet? Wasn't it almost exclusively MAGA and Proud Boy nuts who were filmed and on-site, hurting people and breaking into the building? Why do all his ex-advisors say that he was watching on T.V., actually making comments that he was hoping they would "hang Pence"?

    And these mental midgets will just use those handy two words that have become a good shortcut to avoid thinking: "Fake news."

    And then they'll start raving on about "Hunter's laptop" again.

    What's even more fun is to ask these MAGA conspiracy theorists: "What is the significance of Hunter's laptop?" These catchphrase loving idiots will say vague things like: "They prove Biden corruption", etc. And when you ask them "How?" They'll say things like, "They prove Biden is lying." And when you say, "How?" They start stammering and have...no idea. Because they're basically repeating words used at a lot of MAGA rallies or FoxNews talk shows.

    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    Do we really have to go down the Biden laptop do we? EVERYONE knew it was legit...everyone.
    Despite endless allegations that the laptop contents contained outright proof of corruption by Joe Biden, a joint investigation by two Republican Senate committees (their results released in September 2020) could find literally NO EVIDENCE OF ANY wrongdoing by him, nor did a Republican House Oversight committee investigation by September 2023.

    This is not my opinion. These are facts.

    "Hunter's laptop". LOL!!

    (That term has become as reputable a debate point as O.J. Simpson's comments concerning the "real killers." )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    I dunno, this looks like a win for the people having a voice and ridiculous politicians being held to account. We can't really think MSNBC and CNN will help here at all:

    ChayaRaichik10 (@Chaya Raichik) posted: This smug loser really mocked this citizen journalist and said only “3 people will watch your bullsh*t video.”

    It now has over 2M views https://x.com/chayaraichik10/status/...0hVmJwYyUCzbEQ
    Chaya Raichik is a bigoted piece of shit who can't be taken serious about any thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    I dunno, this looks like a win for the people having a voice and ridiculous politicians being held to account. We can't really think MSNBC and CNN will help here at all.
    May I ask you, are you really trying to point to CNN & MSNBC as being the worst offenders for not holding ridiculous politicians accountable? Seriously?

    It's interesting you can say such things with a straight face. MSNBC and CNN have gotten into the fray to happily report on Democrats with dirt under their fingernails time and time again...

    . Bob Menendez
    . The Ralph Northam scandal a few years back (the contributors on MSNBC and CNN were actually asking Northam to step down when that occurred in 2019, basically taking part in a scandal during which it was proved that his Republican opponents had found & released the dirt for political opportunity)

    Meanwhile...it's amazing how many indictments, scandals or disgusting behaviors get glossed over on Fox or Newsmax. Hell, Fox didn't even report the fact that they settled with Dominion over their false allegations of Dominion complicity with "voting fraud." Fox's entire reporting on the issue was 100% lies...they paid $787 million to Dominion over their lies...but it wasn't "newsworthy."

    And their coverage of the Trump indictments is laughable.

    Wow. Some of the things you say, Flamma. It makes me actually sad for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Chaya Raichik is a bigoted piece of shit who can't be taken serious about any thing.
    Absolutely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikk View Post
    May I ask you, are you really trying to point to CNN & MSNBC as being the worst offenders for not holding ridiculous politicians accountable? Seriously?

    It's interesting you can say such things with a straight face. MSNBC and CNN have gotten into the fray to happily report on Democrats with dirt under their fingernails time and time again...

    . Bob Menendez
    . The Ralph Northam scandal a few years back (the contributors on MSNBC and CNN were actually asking Northam to step down when that occurred in 2019, basically taking part in a scandal during which it was proved that his Republican opponents had found & released the dirt for political opportunity)

    Meanwhile...it's amazing how many indictments, scandals or disgusting behaviors get glossed over on Fox or Newsmax. Hell, Fox didn't even report the fact that they settled with Dominion over their false allegations of Dominion complicity with "voting fraud." Fox's entire reporting on the issue was 100% lies...they paid $787 million to Dominion over their lies...but it wasn't "newsworthy."

    And their coverage of the Trump indictments is laughable.

    Wow. Some of the things you say, Flamma. It makes me actually sad for you.

    (But I do LOVE talking Van Halen with you...so that's cool! )
    It's funny after I posted that I meant to include Fox to be fair, but I forgot.

    I personally think CNN and MSNBC are the absolute worst. Just a personal opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Chaya Raichik is a bigoted piece of shit who can't be taken serious about any thing.
    I know nothing about Chaya...you aren;t concerned CNN "reporters" are creating fake and over dramaztized reporting? OK

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    https://reason.com/2022/03/17/the-ne...nd-newsworthy/

    The New York Times Belatedly Admits the Emails on Hunter Biden's Abandoned Laptop Are Real and Newsworthy

    Consensus...
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    "A deposition transcript released by the House Judiciary and Intelligence committees reveals that the Biden campaign in 2020 helped spur an open letter signed by former intelligence officials claiming the Hunter Biden laptop story had the "earmarks" of Russian disinformation. Will anyone pay a price for that deception, and how much has it hurt the credibility of the press and the intelligence services?"

    https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/opinion...8-7424827c7b52

    Let's not forget the manipulation here. Brutal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    I know nothing about Chaya...you aren;t concerned CNN "reporters" are creating fake and over dramaztized reporting? OK
    I'm no fan of any of the cable news networks. CNN started turning to the right the day Ted Turner sold it to Time Warner, and each corporate merger/consolidation they have been involved with since then has made them even worse.

    I haven't had cable TV in years, though I used to watch news through various streaming sources. Some authorized, some not so much. That includes CNN International, which I haven't seen recently, but at least as far as a couple of years ago, it was still a serious news channel, as opposed to whatever the US channel has become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikk View Post
    May I ask you, are you really trying to point to CNN & MSNBC as being the worst offenders for not holding ridiculous politicians accountable? Seriously?

    It's interesting you can say such things with a straight face. MSNBC and CNN have gotten into the fray to happily report on Democrats with dirt under their fingernails time and time again...

    . Bob Menendez
    . The Ralph Northam scandal a few years back (the contributors on MSNBC and CNN were actually asking Northam to step down when that occurred in 2019, basically taking part in a scandal during which it was proved that his Republican opponents had found & released the dirt for political opportunity)

    Meanwhile...it's amazing how many indictments, scandals or disgusting behaviors get glossed over on Fox or Newsmax. Hell, Fox didn't even report the fact that they settled with Dominion over their false allegations of Dominion complicity with "voting fraud." Fox's entire reporting on the issue was 100% lies...they paid $787 million to Dominion over their lies...but it wasn't "newsworthy."

    And their coverage of the Trump indictments is laughable.

    Wow. Some of the things you say, Flamma. It makes me actually sad for you.

    (But I do LOVE talking Van Halen with you...so that's cool! )
    This is interesting and aligns with my take.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/journali...eft-and-right/

    For those "consistently Liberal", only about half view MSNBC or CNN as trustworthy.

    For the record, I think all of the main legacy providers are useless and corrupt, but CNN and MSNBC in my eyes are among the worst offenders. Your peer group agrees in this poll...I know you love a good poll.

    The other takeaway here is that given these results, the two worst offenders are MSNBC and Fox News. I don't necesarily disagree with this conclusion
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    I'm no fan of any of the cable news networks. CNN started turning to the right the day Ted Turner sold it to Time Warner, and each corporate merger/consolidation they have been involved with since then has made them even worse.

    I haven't had cable TV in years, though I used to watch news through various streaming sources. Some authorized, some not so much. That includes CNN International, which I haven't seen recently, but at least as far as a couple of years ago, it was still a serious news channel, as opposed to whatever the US channel has become.
    I am with you. Haven't watched anything on a network in years. The problem is so many rely upon it as gospel...both sides.

    We all have to be concerned with opinion/tribalism and fact getting conflated. There are almost no real news/facts presented on legacy media...its a big concern.

    Now we have another problem in trying to get the truth out there and monitoring that, having some degree of accuracy is almost impossible, at least in the immediate term

    Not sure what we do to solve this. I do know we should ask our leaders and government not to supress things they know to be true or politically inconvenient or are actual election interference.

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    MSDNC gave up any claims of being "liberal" in 2016 when they practically banned any mention of Bernie Sanders from their network coverage, and literally cancelled primary election coverage and went back to their prison marathons on the days when Bernie was winning primaries & caucuses. And they only got worse when they started hiring as many Republican party operatives as FAUX has (Nicole Wallace, Steve Schmidt, etc.)

    I haven't watched the network in years, but last I checked, Chris Hayes was the only one of their anchors who could be remotely described as "liberal". (Rachel Maddow might have been a liberal in her Air America days, but then she drank the Hillary kool aid)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikk View Post
    Posting a few more random links and some generalized statement does not make anything "consensus" in any world in which we live.

    "Hunter's laptop" eventually became a punchline for paranoia and desperation from a bunch of people who, meanwhile, continued to try and argue with a straight face that January 6 was a Democrat operation... ("Everyone knew it was legit"...LMFAO. Really?)

    "Covering up a laptop story" had NOTHING to do with why Biden won the election. He won the election because people came out in droves to vote out one of the laziest, most despicable people to ever hold office in our country.

    I can speak to this with personal authority: I didn't vote FOR Biden. I voted AGAINST Trump. My wife wanted to move to Canada (she never lived there, but as you know, I did) if that piece of shit Trump won a second time.

    Every time I meet some conservative nut who starts raving on about Hunter Biden, I ask them very simply: "What happened on January 6?" And, without fail, they start raving on that it was a Democrat operation to make MAGAs look bad, etc. And then I ask them: why was Trump there in person, urging people to march? Did he not organize it himself with a tweet? Wasn't it almost exclusively MAGA and Proud Boy nuts who were filmed and on-site, hurting people and breaking into the building? Why do all his ex-advisors say that he was watching on T.V., actually making comments that he was hoping they would "hang Pence"?

    And these mental midgets will just use those handy two words that have become a good shortcut to avoid thinking: "Fake news."

    And then they'll start raving on about "Hunter's laptop" again.

    What's even more fun is to ask these MAGA conspiracy theorists: "What is the significance of Hunter's laptop?" These catchphrase loving idiots will say vague things like: "They prove Biden corruption", etc. And when you ask them "How?" They'll say things like, "They prove Biden is lying." And when you say, "How?" They start stammering and have...no idea. Because they're basically repeating words used at a lot of MAGA rallies or FoxNews talk shows.



    Despite endless allegations that the laptop contents contained outright proof of corruption by Joe Biden, a joint investigation by two Republican Senate committees (their results released in September 2020) could find literally NO EVIDENCE OF ANY wrongdoing by him, nor did a Republican House Oversight committee investigation by September 2023.

    This is not my opinion. These are facts.

    "Hunter's laptop". LOL!!

    (That term has become as reputable a debate point as O.J. Simpson's comments concerning the "real killers." )
    You are forgetting the main point I was making...which was the Laptop and its validity was supressed and shouldn't have been...

    https://reason.com/2022/03/17/the-ne...nd-newsworthy/

    The New York Times Belatedly Admits the Emails on Hunter Biden's Abandoned Laptop Are Real and Newsworthy


    "A deposition transcript released by the House Judiciary and Intelligence committees reveals that the Biden campaign in 2020 helped spur an open letter signed by former intelligence officials claiming the Hunter Biden laptop story had the "earmarks" of Russian disinformation. Will anyone pay a price for that deception, and how much has it hurt the credibility of the press and the intelligence services?"

    https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/opinion...8-7424827c7b52

    I know you love a good poll - the election interference likely changed the outcome of the election

    https://tippinsights.com/shock-poll-...nged-election/

    The Federal authorities already knew the laptop was legit, and pursued a disinformation and censorship campaign anyways...that is the point Rikk:

    https://stefanik.house.gov/2023/7/ic...p-up-joe-biden

    Are you really comfortable with this path of manipulation and Government intervention? Serious question. It's not about whether a court has yet to determine Biden's corruption or lack thereof. We have a concerted effort to essentially provide disinformation...you are ok with that? Again, let's remember, the laptop was known to be "real". The opposite narrative was told to the American people and info supressed. Defend that please.
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    Lol...Legacy media doing everything they can to try and remain relevant, NBC getting called out for actual misinformation on X, when they try to claim there is misinformation. Community Notes isn't perfect or immediate, but a really good attempt to help with accuracy.

    So good:

    https://x.com/cwt_news/status/171217...0hVmJwYyUCzbEQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    It's a huge problem for sure for X. I still think it's better now than before. At least now, we can determine (at some point) who is full of BS. How can you do that when you have people not only with fingers on the scale, but there is no scale? Its one prescribed and Gov't dictated narrative.


    "we can determine"?


    You mean your fellow white supremacist shitbags?

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    Ha! how about you come up with an alternative? Its a hard problem to solve.

    How do we (meaning you too) avoid gov't overreach and promote truth and free speech, all the while avoiding/discouraging "hate speech", micro-agressions, etc.

    Community Notes seems to be working (takes time though). We (you too) can dispell and call out hate-mongers etc. (I think you might be one, but hopefully not) and their posts can be challenged by the community. It seems like a solid approach.

    What is your idea?

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    Elon is a large government contractor. He could just be a face on an agency. Major social media platforms were developed with government money. It’s all about controlling narratives and collecting data. Before social media the country was less controlled and manipulated. I wouldn’t trust Elon as far as I could throw his fat ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    Ha! how about you come up with an alternative? Its a hard problem to solve.

    How do we (meaning you too) avoid gov't overreach and promote truth and free speech, all the while avoiding/discouraging "hate speech", micro-agressions, etc.

    Community Notes seems to be working (takes time though). We (you too) can dispell and call out hate-mongers etc. (I think you might be one, but hopefully not) and their posts can be challenged by the community. It seems like a solid approach.

    What is your idea?
    Free speech is protecting the speech you don’t like. We used to get that concept. Also remember sticks and stones? My solution is let’s bring duels back. If people could be called out for pistols at dawn and refusal to show up results in social shame people would watch what they say. Of course we live when you can hide behind a keyboard and be a wimp in the basement. But hey, it’s all garbage anyways.

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