That list is pretty much a track-order listing, which is probably why. Except for Stay Frosty which climbed higher because it's a superior song.
That list is pretty much a track-order listing, which is probably why. Except for Stay Frosty which climbed higher because it's a superior song.
I was hoping big River and Bullethead would be higher. Don't forget the two top ones are the ones they did videos for.
Plus, Tattoo was a big hit in Japan.
Here's what Wolf said about the record two years ago :
https://www.musicradar.com/news/van-halen-final-album
You have to be entertaining. Wolf isn’t. He’s a flash in the pan. Real pro entertainers craft an image and make an effort to look good.Originally Posted by ZahZoo
No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!
Good summary of the situation. I guess we can laugh at Wolf’s angry posts after his music career fails and he slides into a depression. He will gain another 100 lbs from binge eating.
We are left with Delusional Dave, Insane Val, Nasty Wolfie and Lame Ass Sam. What a load of fruitcake.
He wouldn't even be in the pan if it weren't for daddy, and bands like Metallica making him a charity case.
Yup. People really liked my grandfather. I never knew the man because he died of cancer before I was born but I heard plenty and it was all good. When people found out who’s grandson I was, I got treated better. Wolf got treated better because people liked his dad.
Dave exposed him. Don’t buy the nice guy routine. If Wolf doesn’t get what he wants he’s extremely nasty. His posts indicate this. He’s immature, full of inner pain and loves to attack people. He treats his mom like shit. I saw one video of him mouthing off to his mom on a cooking show set. He needed to be clocked with a frying pan. Note to wife. You will be treated like mom.
I’m looking forward to him spilling all his pain on social media after his marriage and career fail. He will just be one of those miserable trust fund kids after that.
Last edited by Nitro Express; 02-26-2024 at 11:21 AM.
Mammoth WVH is a stupid name and the logo looks like a small dick no bigger than the balls. What we learned is Wolf can play some of his dad’s riffs about as good as a YouTube Jack off.
The only thing I suppose Wolfgang is sort of adept at is crafting a career utilizing internet-based social media. I can't really say exactly how a consistent Twitter (or X, or whatever it's called today) presence or doing a bunch of podcast interviews translates into song downloads on a percentage basis as opposed to a lighter footprint any more than I could with a heavy presence on the traditional television/radio/print means of 40 years ago in Roth's heyday.
I'd guess Wolfgang tends to appeal more to people who feel like they are both entitled and simultaneously perpetual victims...maybe that breaks down to a degree along generational lines? Maybe not? Is it whoever posts the most commentary content wins? And what exactly is there to 'win' anyway?
Scramby eggs and bacon.
Even alongside other nepo kids who went into the music biz on just a talent level - either in terms of general musical technical ability or songwriting ability - Eddie's kid isn't impressive to me.
Did Wolf ever smack back at DLR for his 'this fuckin' kid' comments? It'd be unlike Wolf to keep his mouth shut, even if it was full at the time.
I keep reading the Mammoth fanboys praising the big W for taking the high road. I’m like, you do realize Dave was responding to his bullshit, no?
This.
Yes.
Best takedown of Wolfgang during a period in which there have (rightfully) been a lot of takedowns of this spoiled, ugly, greasy, UberFat, over-rated, pampered, bad-breathed, arrogant, nasty piece of fucking shit daddy's boy/mommy's boy.
I'd love to see the clip of him being rude to "mommy," if you have a link. I hate to admit this...but I enjoy disliking him. (It's probably a sign of my continuing immaturity.)
I'm not a gambling man...but it would be kind of awesome if this site set up an official poll/bet of how long Mammoth-stink will stay married to that woman who clearly did not marry him for his looks. There is no way she & Tubby Mc5150 are going to be in it for the very long haul. Maybe 10 years? Maybe 5? I bet he's verbally-abusive. I bet he talks down to da wife. I bet he sometimes treats her like she should be lucky to be hitched to the guy who owns Edward Van Halen's iconic studio and plays so many instruments and is friends with important people like Dave Grohl and fucking Scott Stapp.
And you just know that when she finally does leave his (by-then) 500-pound ass, he's going to make lame tweets like: "In so much pain...it hurts so much...but I know pop is looking over me." He will release "heartfelt" songs with shitty-ass titles like SEPARATE, ALONE and WHAT I HAD...and the simps will lap up every "pained" tweet or silly-ass "break-up" song, encouraging him with dick-slurping posts like, "Stay strong, Wolfie...your Dad is watching over you" or "It hurts us all to see you so down, sweet Wolfie...WE love you!"
We'll even get the female members of his "fanbase" making really lame comments like: "She's crazy, Wolfie! You're, like, SO HOT!!! I'd MARRY you in a second!!"
Of course, he'll ignore pretty much of all support tweets, because he is "better than those people."
Roth Army Militia
Originally posted by WARF
Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.
EXACTLY. He's the much-less famous/rock-and-roll version of Ellen DeGeneres.
It's so transparent. He goes ON and ON about his father's "integrity" and pretends he (Wolfgang Van Halen) is gracious and humble. All you need to do, however, is look at his arrogant Twitter comments or his constant attacks on Dave or VH fans, actually speculating that their lives are "pathetic".
Wolfgang (I always thought that was such a pretentious first name) can't be this "super-nice" or "down-to-earth" guy one second while continuing to feel so much entitled rage towards masses of people he doesn't even know.
He SO acts like he's in his own bubble of incredibly delusional self-importance. He talks like the whole world (let alone the whole musical community) is watching him, cheering him on his important mission, thinking that because his Dad was a great musician who is now dead (leaving him the studio, probably now outfitted with three extra fridges), he somehow is SO important and doing things that actually are really vital to our planet.
If he's really on the brink of a long musical career that is expected to be important in itself, WHY did he end up with his shitty uncle (Val's brother) being his manager? If he's going to be SO important, why didn't Irving Azoff (who managed Van Halen the last decade-and-a-half) keep Wolfgang as a client? (THAT one doesn't get asked enough, does it?)
Tubby Mc5150 will do a couple more albums, each being even less noticed than the one before...he'll tour a few more years playing nothing bigger than clubs or small theaters (with the occasional opening gig for fucking bands like Creed or Foo Fighters or something, though those opening gigs WILL eventually dry up too)... And then, one day he will realize that the music community as a whole does not necessarily think he's important at all. He'll finally see that most people are NOT actually waiting with baited breath for his next song or the next thing he has to say. The goodwill towards his father will only go so far (look at Julian Lennon, and he's actually a nice guy) and Wolfgang Van Halen will realize that he's NOT on an upward-trajectory; he's just a rock star's son and people have stopped caring enough to keep even mentioning him in conversations.
In not-that-many years, he'll be mentioned in bars between the 4th and 5th drink by music fans talking about his dad's band, "Whatever happened to that really fat son Eddie had?"
He won't be hated by most people...because most people won't even know who he is or ever was.
This arrogant Lizzo-wannabe will finally realize that he's simply not talented or beloved enough (on his own merits) to change the fact that his obituary will read simply:
"SON OF FAMOUS GUITARIST EDWARD VAN HALEN...BRIEFLY PLAYED IN HIS FATHER'S FAMOUS BAND."
Ha! Lard Ass Wolfie lost his shit on social media again. Someone saying his dad was a vegan triggered him. I guess marriage hasn’t made him happy. Nothing will make him happy. What a miserable fuck.
Wolf is a wimp. He doesn’t want to go there because Dave would mop the floor with him. Wolf knows he can’t win a slag war with Dave.
My mom said once you reach a certain age you just don’t give a fuck. I think Dave has reached it. Wolf is smart enough not to hit back at the wise old Indian chief who really doesn’t give a fuck and the filter has been tossed away.
Chubbo HATES his dad’s fans because they like daddy more than him. I might add we also like Dave more than we like you. Truth hurts. We gave you a chance. You blew it.
It seemed off even as far back as the 2004 tour when Ed would bring Wolfgang up onstage to play with him...I mean, Wolfgang was barely in his teens and my reaction was a head shrug, although truth be told Wolfgang being onstage for a few minutes on that tour was seemingly the least fucked up part of that whole Van Hagar reunion biz when compared to Eddie's appearance, the performances of the band on that tour, the sagging ticket sales, half empty arenas and all the rest.
Then Anthony is out of the band and Wolfgang is in per Eddie via an interview on Howard Stern in the fall of 2006. Then Dave is back and we get that single publicity shot of Ed, Al, Wolfgang and Dave in the winter of 2007. Didn't look right. Didn't look right when the band held the press conference, either. Wolfgang in the band just looked out of place to me. Always did. I can't really say who should have been playing bass in the band if not Anthony, but at least if the band had picked a name bass player it wouldn't have come across like somebody who won a contest or was picked out of the audience to jump onstage for a tune or two. Then came the whole biz with Mike Anthony's image being scrubbed from the first Van Halen album cover on the band's website: I don't give a shit what anybody says, there's no fucking way that happened as Wolfgang (much) later claimed...being the result of somebody the band employed to work on the website just taking it upon themselves to remove Anthony's image. THAT was fucking bullshit. And for at least that first Roth reunion tour, those backing vocals were augmented by offstage audio enhancements. I was there, and there's no way just Wolfgang and Eddie were sounding as good live as the studio albums where the backing vocals were concerned.
Most of the Wolfgang-generated nonsense that sticks in my craw has come after Eddie died, via interviews or social media comments, concerning the cheap shot method Wolfgang uses: blame it all on Dave by alluding it in a Trunk interview rather than being explicit about it and calling Dave out by name. That's not the 'high road' or being a gentleman about it. The high road or being gentlemanly would be to either say nothing or, at worst, to say whatever was in question didn't work out for a variety of reasons. Wolfgang decided to go the pussy route. THAT is why I'd tend to think Dave is being truthful about the shenanigans Wolfgang was supposedly up to on the last tour in terms of having people Wolfgang thought were guests of Dave ejected from arenas by security...because that is a pussy move in line with the pussy way Wolfgang has conducted himself.
I'd imagine Dave held back on his comments concerning Wolfgang as long as he did out of respect for Eddie and respect for Alex. Well, I guess Dave opted not to continue taking the gentlemanly high road, but at least he wasn't a pussy when he decided to throw some mud toward Eddie's kid.
Last edited by Terry; 02-28-2024 at 12:23 PM.
Yeah, I think “psych. Fuck You!” was very cutting and real. He has his reasons and he has his ways, and both are never going to be understood by the casual Van Halen fan base. They don’t know anything of the concessions Dave had to make once he was back in the fold. From the gag orders to a no full-band reunion, etc… They just think he’s some guy who “can’t sing as good as Hagar” who’s “not as classy as Anthony” who’s “trying to stay relevant” all of which are misguided conclusions.
I agree with Nitro on the age thing. You get to Dave’s age and you really could care less about the ramifications or blow back from things you say. I remember an elderly Jack Palance telling Billy Crystal he made craps bigger than him. At the Oscars no less.
Both the DLR Podcast and Dave & Dave Unchained seem to maintain a vibe of displeasure or disgust with the things Dave has said. I feel they should be aware by now that he operates in a ‘you hit me, I’ll hit you back harder’ fashion, if he feels it’s worth it. Dave and stayed quiet for years, then it became worth it to speak up for himself.
Dave’s accomplishments are in the record. He’s done and that means you can burn bridges and dance in the light of the flames. Sammy is like Pol Pot. He wants to kill off anyone who remembers the past and rewrite history. What a sick fucker.
Wolfie is a manipulative brat. Piss him off he loses his shit.
Van Halen really ended in 1984. Everything after that was a parade of faggotry.
Even the stuff that transpired under the Van Halen name from 2007-2015...it was a positive thing that Roth came back and Ed eventually got his CVH ability back, but it all felt like it was ten years too late and not really a proper Van Halen reunion because Mike wasn't there as he should have been. It was a case of Roth and the Van Halens doing what I assume was the best they could after having pissed away a decade they were on the wrong side of 40 years old for re: wasting time. And frittered away because of egos, addictions and control issues.
Nobody's ever gonna convince me that the 2007-2015 period was an essential part of Van Halen as a rock band. 1974-1984 were the essential years. I wouldn't say ALL the years after 1984 were faggy, but a majority of those years were useless to me and even the years Roth was back with the band...it never felt like Dave was back and the band was better than ever or on a level that they were during the CVH years.
Definitely too late. Knowing Dave’s vocals on Blood & Fire, which sounded great, were most likely recorded in 2000, is proof positive that crucial time was wasted and lost.
No the recordings in 2000 were not whole songs. Time was wasted though by Ed being wasted until 2008.
I was under the impression only 1/2 the songs length appeared on a tape someone had, and not that they only recorded up to the halfway point of the songs, which seems like an odd thing to pull off. If I’m wrong, it still sounds like a younger Dave voice on that and a couple other of the tracks. I think that John Shanks guy culled from previously recorded tracks in some cases.
With ADKOT, I presume the material that was reworked from the songs the band had recorded for the 1977 demos up was recorded by Shanks.
Frank Meyer has claimed that in 2004 Roth's then-manager played [Meyer] 4 songs the band had worked on in 2000 with Roth, the four songs being As Is, Honeybabysweetiedoll, Trouble With Never along with Blood And Fire. Meyer said what he heard in 2004 were live demos the band recorded with Roth and they were different from the versions that ended up on ADKOT. Meyer said Roth's manager told him in 2004 that Roth was willing to do live demos with the band in 2000 but was unwilling to actually lay down separate finished vocal tracks in 2000 until Roth and the Van Halens had a deal signed and in place.
So if all that is true I tend to think all of Roth's vocals on ADKOT were recorded by Roth with Shanks in 2011, because it doesn't sound like any of the post-1970's material on ADKOT had been tracked for lead vocals by Roth prior to the Shanks sessions.
The stuff on the 2012 album sounds like it was recorded for that album.
I suppose I’m wrong, God dammit. One thing that I thought tracked with the vocals being from earlier sessions is Dave’s use of 1-800 in both Blood And Fire and The Trouble With Never. He used that 1-800 gimmick during interviews in the early ‘00s. Same with “whole lotta Shakespeare going on.” I became convinced they used older vocal efforts on tape for at least a few tunes.
couldn't care less. As in "I couldn't care less about your stupid grammar lesson."
Sorry, pet peeve.
So, the fat Wolf boy was recently shooting off his big mouth about bands using backing tracks. The FACT is, and if you were around here at all back then, I am sure I posted it here somewhere, that VH was using backing tracks. I got to sit in for the closed soundcheck at The Palace of Auburn Hills on the 2007 tour. I was a guest of Doug's. Doug was the the sound man running the show. He's the guy Darren talks about in his book, they all called him a number, because Dave went through so many sound guys they called them by number instead of by their name. Doug lasted the longest.
S’ol good, man. However, I was implying that, once you get to his age, he can (“could” in original sentence) care less about things if he so chooses.
Just backing vocals and keys of I'll Wait and Jump though?
And we believe he was singing backing vocals on the later tour(s).
I would guess on the first tour they may have had a bass backing track ready to fade in just in case he froze as well. Would have been a sensible thing to do considering.
Those are good points re: the 1-800 and Shakespeare references. Hadn't thought about that with reference to those lyrical lines, and it would lead one to the conclusion that the tracks had possibly been recorded in the early 2000's, or at least some of the lines had been.
I mean, I'm just going off what that Meyer guy said he heard. Who the heck knows? The Van Halen line for years had been that there was nothing recorded in terms of outtakes for the CVH albums that was either worth hearing or in a condition audio-wise to be heard properly, and we eventually find out THAT was bullshit, so who knows? It comes across to my ears like the ADKOT lead vocal stuff was all done in however many sessions in the year-long period leading up to the 2012 release of the album.
I didn't get a track by track listing. I was just told there were backing tracks being used. I believe the fat Wolf boy was singing the whole time. But backing vocals were being played too. After all, he did sing lead on every song at the soundcheck. And they soundchecked the whole show in it's entirety. He wasn't bad on the lead vocals, but it didn't sound like Van Halen vocally. No slag on him for that. He's not Dave and doesn't sing like Dave. Nor did he attempt to. He just sang the songs.
EVERYTHING recorded for A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRUTH were new recordings. They did NOT use any of the 2000 demos. It was all done new. I've got this from a few sources.
Also, I'm not sure about BLOOD & FIRE being one of the four new songs. I heard YOU & YOUR BLUES, THE TROUBLE WITH NEVER, either HONEYBABYSWEETIEDOLL or AS IS...and the fourth track was the music from UP FOR BREAKFAST with a completely different vocal, lyric and title, HOMEBOY.
I've heard the story about Dave only doing an unfinished scratch vocal (because he didn't want to be fucked over the way he was with the two BEST OF tracks before a reunion was in place)...but I've also heard from a couple of sources that the 2000 tracks are finished from beginning to end, but, again, just scratch vocals. Mikey says he has them...and he said they're "just demos" but he didn't say they're not a full performance. But...maybe Dave did only do a partial vocal?
Either way, I believe the UP FOR BREAKFAST source...and it's a shame...because the music from that song is actually good. It was just (like almost all of the Hagar stuff) a case of the vocals ruining it and turning it into a complete piece of shit song. (Hagar loved to brag in his book that Ed took months to record the guitars and guitar solos for the three songs but he did all his vocals in one afternoon or something. It shows, Sammy. It definitely shows.)
But NOTHING from the 2000 sessions was on A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRUTH. Dave hadn't even finished writing the lyrics...and he did his vocals away from the rest of the band in a different studio for that album. He wasn't about to take shit from anyone after the really stressful vocal sessions he'd dealt with in 1996. (The band needed him as much as he needed them by 2012...actually, they needed him in 1996; they just didn't know it yet.)
I have a ton of boots from the 2012 tour (Blu-Rays) and I have a few from the 2007 tour.
I 100% believe what Von is saying about the backing tracks being played in addition during 2007-2008. I think they stopped doing that by 2012...because on that tour, the backing vocals suddenly sound like shit. It's jarring if you compare I'LL WAIT from 2007-2008 to I'LL WAIT in 2012. BIG difference. The "high part" is missing. It's just Eddie & Wolfgang doing lower harmonies...and it sounds like shit.
I'm so sick of people on the internet talking about Fatty Mc5150 being such a good singer. He isn't. He has that "abused/neo-metal/grunge" vocal style...and NOT a big vocal range. (I'm a vocalist...I can tell you that the dude doesn't sound like he's even singing properly...he sounds like he's singing from the throat and not from the stomach.)
I read someone on YouTube say the other day that Wolfgang is "almost as good a guitarist as his dad." THAT is insane. People are so stupid. The fact that people actually think this dude even approaches his guitar-playing goes to show how far the Wolfgang-simpdom is going.
I was a singer back in the day. Best discovery I ever made was singing in the head voice. Expands the range without strain. Kind of a hybrid between chest voice and falsetto. I spent a good 6 years over doing it with throat singing. Mix that with competing with the stage volume of the rest of the band, shitty wedge floor monitors and sound guys who don’t give a shit, and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.
I saw shows from both the 2007-2008 and 2012 tours - both times in the same arena - and did notice in 2012 that the backing vocals didn't seem to be as full or augmented as they had been in 2008.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who has noticed how overblown at times the compliments online toward Wolfgang are re: "Wolfgang is as good a guitar player as his father was!" and that type of hyperbole.
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