Looks like they got so well that the Satch/Vai 2024 Tour is a go:
http://www.satriani.com/road/
Dates from March 22 to May 12 (Atlanta & Denver gigs already Sold Out) means Joe should be
nice & limber when the Best of All Worlds tour starts on July 13.
Joe's Band: Bryan Beller (bass), Kenny Aronoff (drums), Rai Thistlethwayte (keys/guitar/vocals)
Steve's Band: Phillip Bynoe (bass), Jeremy Colson (drums), Dante Frisielle (keys/guitar)
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Originally Posted by sadaist
“You Really Got Me” – Live – Orlando, Florida 3/22/2024
“Enter Sandman” – Live - Orlando, Florida 3/22/2024
If you want to know why there should have never been an EVH "Tribute" show, the answer lies right here in this video.
Also, even more proof as to what a farce this upcoming Clichegar tour is going to be.
Yeah, I wasn't too keen on the idea, although I did think if it was a hypothetical choice between a one-off EVH Tribute Show and whatever version of Van Halen Mach 5 (Roth, AVH, Satriani, Newsted) touring that I'd much prefer a one-off featuring a bunch of different guitar players then seeing Roth or Alex or whoever trying to reconstitute the band in whatever form. I guess the idea being that a one-time show would be more respectful than trying to restart the band without Eddie.
I had a general feeling that nothing was gonna be done either way. Nothing that had any participation or a stamp of approval from Alex or whoever heads up 'Van Halen' as a business...Wolfgang and Alex or whoever. Like, nothing done in a timely manner by way of what Queen did for Freddie a year or so after his passing. That whole biz of Alex and Dave doing something with Satriani and Newsted...I mean, I tend to think all of that talk between Alex, Dave, Satriani and Newsted was just that...talk.
The upcoming Van Hagar tribute tour seems to be little more than just another Circle or Chickenfoot tour with a few more Van Hagar numbers in the set than there had been on previous tours, when you get right down to it. I suppose Satriani playing instead of Vic Johnson is a slightly bigger draw or whatever. From the venue sizes I've seen that the tour will be playing in, it's in the 5 to 10 thousand seat capacities for the most part.
Players like Satriani and Vai have been even less special to me now with each passing day and each new guitarist uploading videos of themselves shredding on youtube than ever...back in the 1980's, that style was shit-hot. Now, too many bedroom guitar wankers have devalued that guitar hero technician currency. Try as they may, neither Vai nor Satriani will ever be as revered as Eddie...both will remain in Eddie's wake for eternity, treading water alongside Nuno Bettencourt, Paul Gilbert and the other also rans. But I suppose that's to be expected when your soloing abilities far exceed your songwriting abilities. Kinda fits into why Satriani is gonna be touring playing Eddie's licks, eh?
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Scramby eggs and bacon.
The way I understand it, there isn't going to be much, if any, Circlejerk or Chickenshit stuff in the setlist.
I wouldn't put Nuno in that list. He's a great rhythm player/writer. He can shred the leads, but he can also write songs with singers involved. If it weren't for Dave, Vai still wouldn't ever have a song of substance that features a singer.
Nah, Nuno belongs on that list.
Better songwriter than Satriani or Vai or Gilbert, but not a truly great songwriter.
Is the setlist going to be all Van Hagar and Hagar solo?
I dunno. Sam has diddled with the publicity angle so many times regarding exactly what the tour is. My latest understanding is the upcoming tour will have several more Van Hagar tunes in the setlist, along with Satriani. Hadn't heard exactly what the non-Van Halen tunes in the setlist will be. Whatever the case, it doesn't sound like a massive alteration from what Hagar has been doing live for the last decade or so already, more like tinkering with the setlist a bit.
In a way, I can't blame the guy for doing whatever he has to do in order to hustle up some more business and maybe play to a few more thousand people a night than he otherwise would without the Van Hagar Tribute angle. And by saying I can't blame the guy, I suppose I should say I'm not especially surprised. It's not as if he hasn't openly hustled for a buck all along.
It's all just...so silly. Sort of like Roth re-recording all those CVH tracks in the studio and releasing them online in that these geezers just don't have anything better to do or anything creative left to offer, I suppose. Or they don't want to even bother offering anything new because the bulk of folks out there still willing to pay to hear them just want to hear the old stuff over and over and over again.
Like, these guys are all either in their 70's or bumping right up alongside their seventh decade. Eddie is gone. Van Halen is over. Are they just scrapping for public bragging rights in terms of the legacy? Haven't they been doing that for nearly 40 years already?
I'm not disagreeing with too much on that but his Sex And Religion album is better than anything Hagar has been involved in.
Also I get this isn't for everyone and it's not super easy listening but fuck even if you aren't a fan you have to appreciate that it was cool that there was a time when you could have a performance like this on network TV...and in the same way that you can argue without Roth Ed Van Halen wouldn't have gone beyond the bars or maybe a Blue Note record deal, without Dave building up Vai this isn't happening on Jay Leno...
There you go.
Not only is he R&R's answer to the question nobody asked, he is also officially the Donald Trump of R&R.
Congratulations, S(h)am! Another milestone achieved!
I did not like Vai's tone on Sex and Religion. I though it sounded thin compared to Passion and Warfare. I don't care for Townsend's voice, either.
I looked to see what tickets were available for the Sham Halen tour here at Blossom. Pavilion is just about sold out. I think the last time Shammy was here he played at the MGM casino. So, a 5,000 seat room to a 17,000 seat shed. But not on his own name and merit, he needed the Van Halen name to get there.
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Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.
Devin Townsend looks like a bald Gary Cherone mimicking Phil Anselmo. I actually like some of the stuff he did on his own, but nothing he did with Vai ever struck a chord with me.
And RIP TM Stevens.
That lacked the very essence, soul and sex appeal that both The Kinks and Van Halen laced the song with. This was nothing more than two guys reciting their guitar caches to each other.
According to his interview on Stern, it is going to be Van Hagar heavy with a few Van Halen songs thrown in. He is billing this as a Van Hagar show of sorts. This is the ONLY reason he has gone overnight from playing clubs and State Fairs, to venues like Blossom and Pine Knob. Satch will probably make them play a Chickenshit song or two just to justify his presence. I doubt they'll play any Circlejerk. Is there even a memorable Circlejerk song that his most ardent fans will recognize?
It's offensive and shame on Anthony for being involved.
Hagar has zero respect for his audience and always thinks he is smarter than them when he really is obvious and pretty dumb.
What he will do is put up a ton of pics of Ed and him, he'll dedicate the show to Ed and make out he's doing it for Ed when in fact it's all about Hagar's ego and an attempt to steal back his legacy.
Ed and Alex dont like him and would never support this. I wish Alex would come out and say as much.
At this point, he is doing it for the money. That's the only explanation.
Actually, he is smarter than them. They are allowing themselves to be willingly fleeced by him. Only a moron would buy a ticket and attend this farce. But as Twona stated with Blossom Heath, and Pine Knob is the same way, these venues are nearly sold out and will be sold out by the time this tour comes to town. I wish I could say these tickets were being purchased by young people that never had the opportunity to see Van Halen or Van Hagar, and they just want to lay claim to a portion of it. But, that's not the case. These tickets are being purchased by older Van Halen and Van Hagar fans that are either trying to relive their youth. Want to post on Fagbook that they were there for this farce. Or they really are, just that dumb. I know plenty of people that have tickets for this tour and are acting like it's going to be the greatest rock show of the year. Yes, Clichegar is smarter than the people buying these tickets. He's laughing all the way to the bank.
Exactly. This will be a horrific self serving jerkfest to himself. I'm sure Bertt totally disagrees with me and would ban me from his shithole for once again speaking the truth.
I wish Al would lambaste this farce. By not saying anything, he is actually giving the perception he's okay with it. What a shame.
Yeah, if Alex’s book were slated to come out say, now, that would be interesting. We know Al loathes Hagar and even if he doesn’t go nuclear on his ass in his book, the indications of his disdain will be there. Al doesn’t simply “not want to play with anyone but his brother” as Hagar intimates. I think he’s a victim of his own timing and silence. Sam’s going to once again wave the proverbial VH flag the he and Michael have been wringing cash out of for two decades now. This is his victory lap for his solo and Van Hagar fans. May we never fucking hear from him again once it’s over. Yeah, right.
Sterile fretboard wankery
That's a big part of it for me, in that the whole hard rock 'guitar hero' technical showoffery thing hasn't aged well for me...even by the end of the 1980's, it had already been overdone.
I can remember first hearing about the annual G3 tours in the early 2000's, and even twenty years ago the idea of watching these aging shredders wank onstage for a few hours seemed hopelessly retro and passe. Doubtless it'd have been one totally bitchin' solo after the next, but even as someone who plays I have a limit to how much of that stuff I can hear before I shrug and mentally turn off.
I tend to lean toward thinking the majority of people seeing, say, Sammy Hagar this year...they're along the same lines (maybe literally a lot of the same people) of those who go see Foreigner these days. As you say, older fans but more casual fans of Van Halen. Probably always were casual fans of the band, because there were more than a few people even 40 years back who weren't emotionally invested in the whole Roth vs. Hagar thing. People for whom the upcoming Van Hagar Tribute featuring Sammy Hagar concert is just a night out, and nothing more than that, and these concertgoers just want to have a good night out and nothing more than that. I mean, I didn't particularly want to see KISS a couple years ago, but the wife did, so I went. Once there, I tried to have a good night out. It'd be interesting to see the demo on Hagar's upcoming audiences re: average age. I'd guess around 55-60 years old.
It felt to me at the Roth Hagar tour in 2002 the Hagar fans were on average a little younger. Ex jock dummies and MOR soccer moms. I would imagine if it happened nowadays there would be a sandwich of older and younger CVH fans with the Van Hagar ones in the middle because it's not aged well.
Rick Beato - 47 minutes
In The Room With Joe Satriani and Steve Vai
Watched this last night. It’s way more entertaining than their version of You Really Got Me.
Typical Sheep Lies (especially associated with the 2002 Sam & Dave Tour)
The thing that pisses me off is when I run into Sheep liars (always online..."normal" people don't remember that tour) and they offer their bullshit "two cents" (many of these people can't even count up to two):
. SHEEP: "Hagar blew Roth off the stage!"
. RIKK: Of course they would say that...these people fucking think MAS TEQUILA is a better song than HOT FOR TEACHER.
. SHEEP: "Roth went on first!! What does that tell ya about who was more popular?"
. RIKK: If you try and explain to them that Hagar the Horrible opened for half the shows, they'll say, "I know for a fact that that's not true!!"
. SHEEP: "Half the audience left when Dave came onstage! Those who stayed just boo'd him!"
. RIKK: Some sheep told me this one recently. I looked at the video of their show...another fucking SHEEP lie.
And, the Sheep's pièce de résistance...the LIE that Sheep love to fall back on all the time (because they read the Ched Rocker's interview LIES)...the LIE not even directly related to the 2002 Tour:
. SHEEP: "Van Halen with Sammy sold so many more records than they EVER did with Dave!!"
. RIKK: I know farm animals aren't exactly renowned for their arithmetic...BUT are these idiots really not able to comprehend that 57 million LPs sold is more than 27 million LPs?
Sometimes I think it's time to re-open the Pen!
SAMMY HAGAR
Roth Army Militia
Originally posted by WARF
Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.
If Sammy offered me $500 to attend his Ed is Dead money grab so called tribute I still wouldn’t go. $500 ain’t worth exposing yourself to something that will make you very sick and cause post traumatic stress disorder.
No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!
I dunno if it was people conflating the amount of Van Halen albums with Hagar that went #1 vs. the amount of Van Halen albums with Roth that went #1 with total sales, or it was Hagar repeatedly claiming the band sold 50 million albums when he was in it - a claim he made in interviews on numerous occasions - or whatever. Couple all that with lazy rock journalism and no interviewers ever calling out Hagar on his lies...and were I a rock journalist I tend to doubt I would have ever called Hagar out, either. Mostly because I want a paycheck and Hagar lying about his album sales isn't exactly a crime against humanity. Plenty of rock journalists have been hand in hand with record companies forever, all part of hyping the illusion.The thing that pisses me off is when I run into Sheep liars (always online..."normal" people don't remember that tour) and they offer their bullshit "two cents" (many of these people can't even count up to two):
. SHEEP: "Hagar blew Roth off the stage!"
. RIKK: Of course they would say that...these people fucking think MAS TEQUILA is a better song than HOT FOR TEACHER.
. SHEEP: "Roth went on first!! What does that tell ya about who was more popular?"
. RIKK: If you try and explain to them that Hagar the Horrible opened for half the shows, they'll say, "I know for a fact that that's not true!!"
. SHEEP: "Half the audience left when Dave came onstage! Those who stayed just boo'd him!"
. RIKK: Some sheep told me this one recently. I looked at the video of their show...another fucking SHEEP lie.
And, the Sheep's pièce de résistance...the LIE that Sheep love to fall back on all the time (because they read the Ched Rocker's interview LIES)...the LIE not even directly related to the 2002 Tour:
. SHEEP: "Van Halen with Sammy sold so many more records than they EVER did with Dave!!"
. RIKK: I know farm animals aren't exactly renowned for their arithmetic...BUT are these idiots really not able to comprehend that 57 million LPs sold is more than 27 million LPs?
Sometimes I think it's time to re-open the Pen!
I mean, were it the case that Van Halen had sold less with Roth than Hagar, it certainly wouldn't have made any difference to me in terms of what I liked.
Basically, if you liked Van Halen with Roth, you were cool. If you liked Van Halen with Hagar, you were a pussy.
And that’s it. After all of the years of people comparing numbers, Hagar inflating numbers and what have you, I have never given one single shit who sold more. All that matters to me is what I think (and know) sounds genuinely better. The Roth years have proven to be timeless. Anything afterwards, in the words of the man himself, were disposable chapters.
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