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"If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992
IDK, LBJ could speak in complete sentences, walked straight, and didn't sniff little girls in public.
You need to compare Biden to “Grab’em by the Crotch” Trump
No, but he had some really weird conversations caught on tape....Originally Posted by Catfish
I'm not wild about an 81 yr old in office either, but Biden gave a great SOTU speech the other night by all accounts...
And LBJ was a notorious creeper that like to show his cock to guys like you...
You do realize the whole "sniff girls in public" video was doctored, right? It's been 100% confirmed that the "sniffing" shit was added to the video, right?
Or are you one of those guys who already knows something has been debunked but posts it anyway because you think people won't check and it'll help you win your argument?
Sort of like how you keep claiming you're not a MAGA while you continue to parrot every single argument and argument technique that MAGA cultists do?
Funny, I heard pretty much nothing but complete sentences and saw him walking perfectly straight at the SOTU (which is a lot more than I can say for the rebuttal, which honestly was one of the most fucked-up, misguided video speeches I've ever seen).
The fact that you MAGA nuts think you don't sound ridiculous making these comments while continuing to laud a nutjob who literally makes late-night "Truth Social" posts night after night with terrible spelling & grammar...? I mean, what kind of "President" makes angry, childish posts critiquing the quality of Oscar hosts? Grown-ups who actually think about and/or care about REAL-WORLD ISSUES don't give a damn or have time to worry about who is hosting the fucking Oscars.
Roth Army Militia
Originally posted by WARF
Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.
Oh, but don't attack CATFISH, NICK. Didn't you hear? He claims he's not a MAGA...
Seriously...these losers continue to clutch onto debunked "sniffing children's hair" video nonsense. But if you dare point out that a future President bragging to another guy (no idea he's being recorded) that he likes to "grab women by the pussy" without their consent because "they let you get away with it" because you're "a celebrity," THAT is okay.
If there were an exactly-the-same video of Biden doing this, released tomorrow, they would suddenly be screaming blue murder. "Rapist Biden," they would cry.
But if it's their cult leader, then it's just "locker room talk." Funny, I never used to chat with my buddies about "grabbing women by the pussy." Where I come from, that's called sexual assault...and it's against the law. (If somebody ever did that to my daughter, I would use one of those guns that MAGAs love so much.)
I don’t know. I feel like he’s just gaslighting America into getting on board with being at war with a larger nuclear power. Is that really what we need? The hell ever happened to diplomacy? There are so many important things that he never addresses. If he thinks saying ‘vote for me cause I’m not him’ is going to work again, he is beyond high on his own farts.
What are your thoughts on RFK Jr.?
You are ghey for that decrepit, demented old man. He is your hero.
Pot-tea kettle there, tick on Trumps balls....
No, not really. Firstly, the US and Europe GUARANTEED the Ukraine security after they relinquished their nuclear weapons in the 1990's. After the fall of the USSR, the Ukraine was the world's THIRD largest nuclear power with full arsenals of ICBMS, SLBMs, tactical and air nukes. They gave up the big stuff willingly but wanted to hang on to some tacticals in case just such a cunt as Putin came to power. But we pressured them and told them it would be alright as we'll protect them. If anything many think the Biden Admin has been way too conservative in sending Ukraine cutting edge weapons and Putin is a bitch when it comes down to it, he's a coward. Diplomacy? He invaded a sovereign democracy and wants to control about 90% of it. The Ukrainians are doing all the dying and only ask for weapons and not troops, unlike our fucking dickhead corrupt "allies" in South Vietnam and Afghanistan. Give in to Putin because he has "nukes" (that might not work all that well I am guessing) and watch China and North Korea start invading everyone. Diplomacy is forged in strength and not weakness and indecisiveness and not going back on your security guarantees...
Maybe, but Trump is going lower and lower in the unlikability sewer and the coming charges against him will not help and may insure he cannot win his "get-out-of-jail-free" campaign. And he is also pretty high on his own MickyDees farts...There are so many important things that he never addresses. If he thinks saying ‘vote for me cause I’m not him’ is going to work again, he is beyond high on his own farts.
What are your thoughts on RFK Jr.?
RFK is a deranged lunatic...
And BTW your Red Wings tampons suck big dicks!
RFK Jr has no idea about what things are true and what isn't.
That's a really bad thing for a leader. He's 70 years old and doesn't know how to work out if something is likely to be a fact or something is just made up. Admittedly there is a lot of it about these days but if you can do one thing for your kids and yourself it's to try and get to grips with that. RFK Jr is the kind of guy that would be fooled by a Trump or Putin lie because he has no judgement. Is that worse than being the liar, I'm not sure. I guess that depends on whether you think that enough of the time your interests will accidentally coincide with Trumps.
I don’t know that I can fully agree with that character assessment, but I appreciate the stance.
He is just wrong about vaccines.
He is just wrong about Kerry actually winning the 2004 election - fucking crazy.
He has this weird idea about anti-depressants and school shootings that there is no evidence for.
The water is making kids gay.
I really don't think the CIA killed his uncle but whatever. The thing about the JFK conspiracy thing is that if you jump onto one of the conspiracy theories then you have to admit that about 1800 other conspiracy theories are wrong.
330 million people jesus is this the best we can do?
Von's post there is just the social media binary bullshit. None of these people are great they never were. It's just about voting for the least bad one and when you do that remembering you aren't voting for your new best friend or person you get to fuck you are voting for the person least likely to make your life worse.
Are you saying that we should bend the knee to any country that has nuclear weapons and do what they say?
Fuck that. If that's what you want to do then you should just cancel the whole US military completely - what's the point in any of it and spend all those the billions on something else like universal healthcare and a big fucking statue of Putin.
No, of course not. It’s all a way more complicated mess than I could ever sort out, but I do agree with whomever said, “America has Russia in a headlock while Russia has a gun to America’s head.” How do you see this ending, Sesh?
342 million, but who’s counting? Lol. Believe me, you’ll get no argument from me. It’s completely unfair that this is who we have to choose from. I’m only taking a hard look at RFK because I want a 3rd God Damn option, if not a 4th, 5th and 6th.
All noted and thank you. What is your take on America’s involvement in the 2014 Ukrainian elections? And did Obama not say that he didn’t want to aid the Ukraine against Russia because he didn’t want to instill the false sense of belief that they could ever win? What changed that line of thinking from Obama to Biden?
(Not being smug. I genuinely do not know.)
Bridge... (I tend to say this a lot to certain posters)... You're a good guy and I really like your posts. But you're reading too much right-wing propaganda (I am NOT accusing you of being a MAGA, by the way) and not thinking about the real reasons the right are bitching about Ukraine aid. But, even worse, you are really NOT thinking about the real reason WHY we are helping them...
1) The Republicans' Iraq War has been projected to cost the U.S. $3 trillion dollars(!). This factors in costs of subsequent Iraqi & Syrian operations to counter ISIS, as well as caring for the war's veterans (even taking into account Republican loopholes to screw over said veterans).
2) We've spent about $75 billion on aid to Ukraine for humanitarian, financial and military support. That is approximately 2.5% of what the Republicans' Iraq War cost us.
3) The reasons for #1 (to protect us at home) were not clear then and have now been proved to be based on a complete lie (there were no "Weapons of Mass Destruction," though educated Americans could see that was a lie even then).
4) The reasons for #2 are clear to anyone who is well versed in history and any understanding of modern and 20th-century foreign policy. The threat, this time, is real. Putin is trying to make the first step towards re-building the Soviet Union.
5) A close Putin ally made it clear in January that even though the Ukrainian invasion has not gone according to plan, Poland is their next target. This is not paranoia...not guess-work. This is real. This is a real threat to another NATO ally.
6) Ignorant MAGAs follow Trump's lead in claiming that NATO is about "paying bills," and Trump has openly stated that he resents NATO. This is treason. NATO was formed after WW2 (in 1949) to promote freedom, stability & collective security against threats (in 1949, the USSR).
7) Trump stated last month that any NATO member who does not "keep up with their military economical ratio" will not only not be protected if he's President...he stated that he will "encourage" Russia to invade them. This is, again, treason.
8) Sweden just became a FULL member of NATO just a week ago. Why? Look past the short-sighted worldview of one narcissist. What threat is this notoriously neutral country foreseeing at this point in time for them to join this collective of democratic nations?
9) Putin wants the old Soviet Union to return to its full power...and reach...and size. That's why Poland and other nations are scared shitless. Putin invaded Ukraine without even making an excuse. He just did it. His country is a dictatorship. And he considers us a threat.
10) Putin's old Soviet Union making its comeback includes blatant & evil propaganda. Stalin, greatest mass-murderer of all-time, is now declared by Putin's State as "an effective manager." They once tore down statues. In 2021, 70% of Russians had a "favorable" opinion of him.
11) How will the return of a strong Soviet Union affect the United States? ISN'T THAT OBVIOUS? Not only do we continue the years of terrifying nuclear threat (a repeat of October '62, anyone?), but we'll be back to a FAR MORE expensive Cold War.
12) What was the economic cost of the first Cold War? It's estimated that military expenditures by the US during the Cold War were roughly $9 trillion dollars(!). Also, nearly 100,000 Americans died during the Korean War and the Vietnam Wars alone.
13) We defend Ukraine because it is Putin's first real step (hinted at with Crimea) towards re-building the Soviet empire through unjustified military aggression. Again, he's made it clear that Poland is next...and far from the last.
14) Unlike history's Republican "interventions," we haven't put our own troops on the ground. We've spent a pittance compared to efforts like Iraq or Vietnam.
15) By showing we care & are willing to help, we demonstrate to our allies that we will protect them. THIS is important. It also demonstrates to Putin that we're not pushovers. This USED TO matter to Republicans.
16) QUESTION: Why does Trump continue to placate Putin? Why does he publicly accept Putin's obvious lies over our own U.S. intelligence? Is it just his own business interests? We don't even fully understand his treason.
There's much more. This is one of the biggest issues/discussions of our time. While MAGAs whine about "the border" (and deflect our real threats), the only excuses they can make about Ukraine & Russia is nonsense about "evil Biden" and Ukraine...Hunter Biden...QAnon this, QAnon that... While the academics, political scientists and our own military and our own intelligence SEE the real threat of a Putin comeback of the USSR.
If we leave it up to Trump and his crazies, we'll ignore this threat. If unchecked...if NATO is stripped of its power, influence & unity...if we let Ukraine fall and let Poland be next...and on and on and on...while these adult-children talk about evil immigrants and the border while continuing to ignore the reincarnation of the greatest threat we and our allies spent most of the 20th-century facing...
...then God help us all.
Please provide a quote from Obama stating, "I do not want to aid Ukraine against Russia because I don't want to instill the false sense of belief that they could ever win." I read what you wrote and have spent a nice amount of time searching for a quote that even resembles the remarks to which you are referring.
And I'm happy to be corrected on this...but I will point out, again, that there has been a ton of right-wing misinformation about just what Obama (and Biden) have done when it comes to Ukraine.
Obama did not provide lethal aid to Ukraine during the Crimea invasion...but he did provide a ton of military resources in 2014 and 2015 that were still beneficial. Trump, now talking about insane Ukrainian conspiracies with Biden actually continued some of these programs...and then froze such aid (for disgusting and moronic political reasons) and then unfroze said aid.
But you're claiming that Obama declared that we would not help Ukraine because he didn't want to give them a false sense of belief in their having a chance at victory?
WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF MORONIC STATEMENT WOULD THAT BE? Again, I'd be happy to admit I'm wrong if you could find such an open display of complete surrender to Putin from Obama's lips...but I sure haven't found him saying that.
Obama was definitely being...careful...to not make steps towards possibly throwing us into full-blown military conflict with a superpower whose strengths we actually (it now turns out) over-estimated at the time. A lot of analysts have been surprised by how poor Russia's military might has been with their attack on Ukraine of the past two years. Putin has stupidly displayed his military weakness. So many thought he would wipe Ukraine out in a month or two.
And not only have we helped Ukraine hold the bastard back BUT we've managed to do so without putting our own troops on the ground in real conflict.
If Trump were in office, it's possible we would not have helped Ukraine at all. Maybe Putin may have successfully completed his invasion by this point or long before.
It brings to mind another interesting fact in our history that some people would like to forget...
The 1940 Republican ticket was based on the promise that we will "stay out of Europe's war" and that "Hitler is Europe's problem." If Roosevelt had not won re-election, U.S. isolationism would have become a full-blown reality. I can't say for sure if this would have prevented the Japanese from attacking us in December 1941, but the Republicans wanted us to leave Britain to fight alone. If we'd listened to them, maybe Hitler would have wiped Britain off the map.
No matter how much the MAGAs try to let us forget this (or, let's face it, most of them have little understanding of history and probably aren't even aware of this)...the Republicans were happy to let Hitler have his way with Europe. It was a very strong sentiment with many Americans in the late-1930s & early-1940s. If we'd listened to them, who knows how much further Hitler may have gotten?
Perhaps I had heard it spoken of rather than said by him. That’s why I did not write it as a direct quote. The closest thing I could find to that particular sentiment is from a response on Quora, not dissimilar from your own.
“The reason Obama declined to give lethal military aid was a judgement call… Giving lethal aid could escalate the conflict and actually achieve the opposite of what the US and Europe was trying to achieve. Ukraine’s Army, Population and economy are all dwarfed by Russia so if the battle intensifies the Ukraine has no chance of winning on their own....”
I appreciate your insights and efforts, Rikk.
And crucially NO DEAD AMERICANS
Admittedly the lack of constant IED casualties isn't going to help the US and UK Paralympic teams in the near future like the boost we got from Iraq and Afghanistan...
After being neutral for 200 years.
Clearly they think this is some serious shit Putin is up to.
Whatever happened to him health wise during lockdown or maybe he has got long term leader disease but the guy has lost it.
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What involvement? What is your take on the multiple poisoning of Ukrainian politicians that did not follow the Kremlin line? The Ukrainians voted unilaterally that they wanted to join the European Union and the cunt puppet propped up by the Russian FSB and SVR refused. What is your take on historical Russian involvement in Ukrainian politics?
Not a fucking clue what you are talking about here...And did Obama not say that he didn’t want to aid the Ukraine against Russia because he didn’t want to instill the false sense of belief that they could ever win?
Um, there wasn't so much a change in thinking as not being so afraid to "escalate" as the Russian fail became more apparent. Obama provided nonlethal aid and training only in the Donbas War of 2014-2022. In the Russian War of Aggression and Invasion of the Ukraine it was assumed by idiots in the CIA and Pentagon that Ukraine would fold within 48 hours of a concerted Russian invasion but instead defeated their columns heading towards Kyiv and ultimately inflicted almost unpresented loses on the vastly overrated shit Russian forces.What changed that line of thinking from Obama to Biden?
(Not being smug. I genuinely do not know.)
You raised many good points Rikk... a few of my thoughts.
15) This still matters to most Republicans and also a lot of Independents who lean right. Where I see the differences tends to be in age demographics. Younger folks don't seem to feel the same sense of seriousness towards Russia as us older folks. I think it has more to do with growing up in the post-Soviet Union era and not recognizing what a dangerous asshole Putin actually is.
16) Trump's public attitude towards Putin is troubling... I've often wondered if it's just some naive belief that he and Putin share some idiotic rich-guys power club comradery nonsense or if Trump stupidly thinks he can act like buddies with the jackass out of a false sense of confidence that he holds a major power advantage over Putin and Trump is a total fool playing with a very dangerous adversary... leaning toward fool in my brain...
"If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”
I hear ya.
But I think it goes deeper. I don't think he just has convinced himself that he has a "bromance" with Putin. I think he has his own selfish reasons for placating Russia (outright saying during a press conference with Putin that he believes Putin over his own intelligence community). Financial...something deeper. Putin clearly sees him as an asset.
And no matter how many asshat MAGAs treat this as just another to overlook ("nothing to see here"), it's massively disturbing. If Obama or Biden had openly criticized our own intelligence and placated a dangerous dictator, the right would have jumped all over him.
The irony is that we can't even convince the right that a return of the Soviet Union, run by a man far more disgusting, unstable and egotistical (than, let's say, Gorbachev or even Kruschev), is something we need to avoid at all costs.
I love all these libs in this thread swinging from Biden’s nuts because he cleanly read a speech off a teleprompter and didn’t trip as he walked up to it. That’s where we are as a nation. That’s the barometer. That’s considered a win to the libs.
How are those Trump golden sneakers working out for you, F A T boy?
Nothing but personal attacks from the asshurt libs in this thread. Falls right in line with the dem playbook under 'Reactions to those with Whom You Disagree.'
What is the 'F A T boy' reference anyway you stupid bitch?
You poor white middle-aged male. Are you a victim now?
I suggest Trump strictly stick to a teleprompter and replace his speech writer. Otherwise he can barely put together a coherent sentence.I love all these libs in this thread swinging from Biden’s nuts because he cleanly read a speech off a teleprompter and didn’t trip as he walked up to it. That’s where we are as a nation. That’s the barometer. That’s considered a win to the libs.
“My speech writer is a truly great guy. He’s a truly great guy. He’s really smart, I mean, he is umm, intelligent. Do you want to know how smart he is? He’s a really nice guy. He is the best speech writer because I picked him.” *
* Likely AI generated Trump quote
Remember when Ashli drank the 9mm Trump-Ade?
That was awesome!
Agreed! The world would be a better place if he'd let other people do his talking. He is proof positive that you cannot tell a billionaire what to do. Especially one who's also an asshole!
Well at least Biden can read you fucking twat, unlike your overlard Donald...I love all these libs in this thread swinging from Biden’s nuts because he cleanly read a speech off a teleprompter and didn’t trip as he walked up to it. That’s where we are as a nation. That’s the barometer. That’s considered a win to the libs.
Who's a "billionaire"? Benzos? Meta-boy? Someone cun't afford their $454M collateral. Not reeking of billionaire but we knew this long ago...
The nice thing Cuntfish, is Trump's small cock won't make you gag...
"A win?"
You do see how much you talk out of both sides of your ass on a regular basis, don't you, MAGA? (I know: "I'm not a MAGA...I just copy every single bad argument that make.")
You can't stink up the room with bad arguments that smell like Laura Ingraham's diapers about Biden not being able to speak publicly...
...and then when we point out he's actually 100% fine at the SOTU, you think we're seeing celebrating as a "win." (No, Tucker-groupie...we're just negating your poor argument.)
That's really sad arguing.
One of the major things MAGAs like Catfish never seem to understand is...
People are completely capable of hating Trump without deifying Biden in a way that's equivalent to MAGA love, excuses and pure loyalty to Trump.
I could care less if Biden were the candidate. I have no loyalty to him.
I just know I hate the rapist, lying, criminal, insurrectionist, traitor piece of shit (with ZERO understanding of world issues, not caring one fucking bit if anything he does helps real Americans) and really don't want him to have four years as dictator, not worrying about re-election (unless he finds a way to make himself the permanent leader of America).
I don't think most of the people posting here that they will vote for Trump even like the guy never mind deifying him. You aren't going to change anyone's mind by calling them a Trump worshiping moron.
Fair point, Sesh. Fair point.
Truth is, though...I gave up on the idea of changing the minds of anyone who defends Trump a long time ago.
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