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    AMAZING REVIEW of BOBW

    I don't think this has been posted yet. It's an incredible review of BEST OF BOTH WORLDS, done at the excellent All-Music Guide website (www.allmusic.com).

    Check it out! The endzone of the review is especially spectacular.

    VAN HALEN - Best of Both Worlds - Review
    It's no secret that there's a deep animosity between Van Halen — particularly their leader, guitarist Edward (formerly Eddie) Van Halen — and their former frontman, David Lee Roth. His 1985 departure was acrimonious, and while his solo career paled in comparison to Van Halen's continued success with Sammy Hagar as their frontman, the group never escaped the shadow of Diamond Dave. No matter how many number one albums and singles they racked up, no matter how many shows they sold out, fans and critics alike preferred their gonzo days with Roth, and kept hounding the band for a reunion. Edward held his ground for years, but once the band stumbled with 1995's Balance, he reconsidered, courting Dave for an ill-fated minireunion for the 1996 hits compilation The Best of Van Halen, Vol. 1 — a move that resulted not just in two enjoyable albeit underwhelming new songs, but also the alienation of Sammy, who left the band over this issue. Van Halen recruited Extreme vocalist Gary Cherone for 1998's Van Halen III, but instead of offering a new beginning, the album torpedoed the group's career, losing them fans and eventually their record contract. Years passed with no activity from the band, and the silence whetted the appetite for a reunion — which for many meant a reunion with Dave, not Sammy, but bad blood can run deep, so when Edward pulled the rest of the band together for a comeback tour in 2004, he chose Hagar as the frontman. To promote the tour, the band assembled a new hits compilation, the double-disc, 36-track Best of Both Worlds. On the surface, this seemed like an ideal solution to the problems that plagued the half-baked Best Of, which at one disc couldn't possibly have fit the hits from both the Dave and Sam eras, but Best of Both Worlds turns out to be another botched collection, and one of the reasons it doesn't work as well as it should is that animosity toward David Lee Roth.

    Since the band's sound and popularity were built on the records they made with Roth, there was no way for Van Halen to ignore his contribution, but they do their damnedest to diminish it here. There are no pictures of Diamond Dave to be found in the artwork (unless you count the miniature reproductions of the sleeves of Van Halen and Women and Children First) and David Wild's liner notes mention him only twice — once when he joins the band, once when he leaves — while conspicuously lavishing praise on Sammy. As petty as this swipe is, it's understandable and could even be forgivable if the two discs were well assembled, but they're sabotaged by an absurd sequencing that alternates a Dave song with a Sammy song for the bulk of the entire collection. This is a jarring sequencing, to say the least, causing a whiplash change of tone, mood, and attitude with every song, which are otherwise well-chosen, containing the big hits from each era (the only exception is the boneheaded move to end the collection with three cuts from the 1993 live album Live: Right Here, Right Now, all Diamond Dave songs sung by Sammy). This attempt to elevate Sammy above Dave in the canon is a bit like trying to say Ronnie James Dio was more important to Black Sabbath than Ozzy Osbourne — a piece of flat-out hyperbole that does a disservice to what the singer actually achieved. David Lee Roth was larger than life, a gonzo performance artist touched with genius who helped Van Halen seem bigger, sillier, grander than any other metal band; with him in front, they were giants, they were golden gods. Sammy Hagar was his opposite, an everyman who sang about girls and tequila, somebody who brought Van Halen back down to earth. Since part of the fun of rock stars is to have them be larger than life, a manifestation of the audience's dreams, fans naturally gravitate toward the Diamond Dave years, but there are merits to both approaches and both resulted in good to great music. But that's hard to appreciate on Best of Both Worlds, when the Dave and Sammy tunes are mixed up with no regard for chronological, musical, or emotional cohesiveness. The raw materials for a great Van Halen compilation are here — it's just up to users to take these 36 songs and sequence them at home, on their CD players or iPods, to make this the compilation it should have been.
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    And the hits just keep on coming.
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    Good job Rikk. Not as brutal as the Blender article, but most of the same points. I'm glad they talked about the slaps in the face: liner notes and sam singing Dave songs.

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    I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

    The fat lady is singing for Van Hagar, and her name is Sam.
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    I hope Edward reads that...


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    Nice find man. I actually feel joy after reading these reviews.

    Has this disc gotten any positive reviews?

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    ah----rite up Edward's anal!!!

    reep mutha fucka...

    and let's not 4 get that cunt alex. touche fuck nut!

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    Those old HAGS the SISTERS don't CARE what anybody else has to say. The only thing they understand is MONEY. If this thing BOMBS like all indications seem to point to, they MIGHT be FORCED into tryin' something else. But, they will ALWAYS HATE DAVE and ENVY his LIFE and LEGEND. Sad old men that they've become........

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    Good find, the reviewer really hit the nail on the head.

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    Great fucking review, someone who get's it. And it is hardly biased, as the guy admits to digging Sammy era as well.

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    I somehow see a trend in the articles... and I fucking like what I see
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    Since all the bad review's started to hit, has anyone else noticed a distict lack of Sheep around here these days????
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    Originally posted by Don Corleone
    Since all the bad review's started to hit, has anyone else noticed a distict lack of Sheep around here these days????
    don...that's what I thought this morning...not that I miss them that much, but the silence is getting obvious...

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    was time to vote for ya

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    That reviewer will be getting a call from Ed at 3 a.m. tomorrow morning.

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    warham, i have to say
    your moonie pic fkn rocks!!!

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    Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
    I somehow see a trend in the articles... and I fucking like what I see
    Damn straight.

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    Eddie actually stopped in the middle of his solo (Indianapolis 2004) and told the crowd, "I don't have any idea what I am doing."

    There’s the fucking problem. Edward Van Hagar. The problem isn’t Dave and EVHagar getting along, the problem is Edward Van Hagar is going through the motions without any direction. The problem has never been more obvious. EVHagar doesn’t just not know what he’s doing, he’s doesn’t know what to do next.

    EVHAGAR =
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    Originally posted by Warham
    That reviewer will be getting a call from Ed at 3 a.m. tomorrow morning.
    I wish he would, I would love to hear Edward try to defend this garbage....He would likely say that god picked the order of the songs....
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    Originally posted by Matt White
    Those old HAGS the SISTERS don't CARE what anybody else has to say. The only thing they understand is MONEY. If this thing BOMBS like all indications seem to point to, they MIGHT be FORCED into tryin' something else. But, they will ALWAYS HATE DAVE and ENVY his LIFE and LEGEND. Sad old men that they've become........
    That about sums it up.
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    "This attempt to elevate Sammy above Dave in the canon is a bit like trying to say Ronnie James Dio was more important to Black Sabbath than Ozzy Osbourne." Well put - and he's not even a Dave maniac.

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    Originally posted by jacksmar
    Eddie actually stopped in the middle of his solo (Indianapolis 2004) and told the crowd, "I don't have any idea what I am doing."
    Is that true??? Holy shit. Well at least he HAS THE ABILITY to be honest, not that he is.

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    the problem is that sam and the sisters think that the band really started with 5150 or at least started new...and now everyone realizes (except from the sheep) that they were finished in 1985...

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    What's up Lee Natra!
    Did you check this thread?
    http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...&threadid=9094

    Come visit sometime, man!

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    Originally posted by Roth-Halen
    What's up Lee Natra!
    Did you check this thread?
    http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...&threadid=9094

    Come visit sometime, man!
    dude I checked...but I'm from germany so it's not that easy to visit for me...

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    should have been a cronological order on the bobw disc. but a question...


    it says eddie courted dlr for the first best of, but wasnt it dlr who had called eddie first? i thought i remembered reading that. small potatoes but just curious

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    Thumbs up

    I honestly believe people are missing the big picture here:

    The reason the release is NOT in chronological order is a simple one... if it was released that way (one disc for Dave, one for Sam), then, to the record company's horror...customers would be walking into Best Buy and other stores with scissors, cutting the compilation in half, disregarding and stepping on the Sam portion, and only purchasing the Dave portion (which should have been longer and included "Me Wise Magic" IMO.).

    The thought of an armed, angry public would be a public relations nightmare...as if this release, tour and the attendant reviews hadn't already turned into one.


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    nice find, rikk.

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    I had to send that in a form of e-mail to the VanHalen offical website.
    "If Eddie & Dave would put asside their egos, Aerosmith would have to give up their tittle of the 'Greatest American Rock Band'"

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    Originally posted by 5150Clown
    I had to send that in a form of e-mail to the VanHalen offical website.
    LOL! Awesome.

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    Dude this review was right on the money ya know. How can the sisters not read this? They have to know how we feel and this article spelled it out categoricly. BABY STEPS!!!!

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    Excellent review, and the best way to say everything that everyone's been thinking. Very well verbalized.
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    Right on c.craig, we all know the answer if the tracks were in chronological order.... spammy knew that as well, and was probably scared to death of having the Spam Hagar CD being used as a drink coaster - so they mixed it up.
    Go home the Earth is full....

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    Originally posted by Don Corleone
    Since all the bad review's started to hit, has anyone else noticed a distict lack of Sheep around here these days????
    don't fuck with classic van halen fans.

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    Blender had a review much like this one. Dude...we should all get the e-mail address of the webmaster at the VH site and bomb'em with e-mail copies of this article and the one from blender magazine.

    I almost cried reading this....my words exactly.!

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    Originally posted by 5150Clown
    Blender had a review much like this one. Dude...we should all get the e-mail address of the webmaster at the VH site and bomb'em with e-mail copies of this article and the one from blender magazine.

    I almost cried reading this....my words exactly.!
    Great idea! Hell, we should get every bad review we can find and mail 'em to that fucking site and put them anywhere else we can think of.

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