Ted Nugent

[SweetSecrets]

Originally posted by HELLVIS

You just get a hard on killing farm animals, which have been kept down by the man for centuries, just like the black man.

Face it.

Not a good comparison! Does humanity need the black man as a necessary source of protein?

[SweetSecrets]

Humans were not created to enslave black people, but they were designed with the need to eat meat.

[SweetSecrets]

SweetSecrets takes the stand for the defense of Panamark:

"Mark doesn't have a liking for the death of any innocent creature, you dick-head! He risks his own life dodging cars on freeways in SYDNEY (think....fucking pretty busy traffic!) to save helpless dogs without road sense wandering towards near death.

He is my hero! And I am forever his defender!

[lms2]

Debatable whether or not we need to eat meat. Vegans live happy healthy lives.

Trophy hunters, and hunting for sport. Yes, I can see Panamark's point, but what you guys are missing is that point that hunter's respect life. Do they take life? Yes. Do they show off their "trophies"? Yes. Do they often go to exotic places and spend lots of money to hunt animals they can't hunt in their own neck of the woods? Yes. They do. And they are proud of their kills. That does not mean that they are evil murders. They are men and women honoring a tradition as old as time.

Growing animals as a crop, to be harvested for money. Yes, that is certainly an honorable tradition. I can't wait to teach my children that it is right to hold a life captive cause you can make a buck off of it. I think maybe this weekend I will take my kids to see these feedlots "cull their herds". That is certainly something I want them to respect. NOT.

Since I am rich and have no need to eat food that has not been given steriods, has never been housed in its own filth for its entire life, and is processed by thousand of human hands that could care less about the fact that they are handling my dinner is my due? Thats just wrong.

[SweetSecrets]

Originally posted by Panamark
Oh and on a closing note, let me draw comparisons of
"THE NUGE" and one of our own famous Australian
conservationist hunter.

Steve Irwin. The crocodile hunter. Theatrics aside, this guy
hunts crocs in the wild, with his bare hands, why ?

To save the animals. No weapons or killing involved.

Human against crocodile, bare handed in the wild.
No pussy hiding behind a tree with a weapon.

For every Ted Nugent out there killing, I thank god
for every Steve Irwin that hunts animals to save them.

Its clear who the real men are.

Thanks for the debate.

I love this man! (in reference to the author of the post not the topic)

[lms2]

And there is still Yankee Rose's questions of what does money have to do with it?

[Panamark]

Originally posted by lms2
And there is still Yankee Rose's questions of what does money have to do with it?

Which to me is the simplest one of all to answer.

Man hunted meat for survival. He had no money or prepackaged
food he could easily purchase. It was total necessity of survival.

Ted not only has enough money to buy whatever food he
wants for his family, but also enough to purchase organic,
free range meats, from chemical and torture free farms..

HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY LEGITIMATE REASON TO KILL A
CREATURE, OTHER THAN HE ENJOYS DOING IT !!

HELLO !!!! "Oh he wants to provide for his family"
By slaughtering an innocent creature in the wild ?????????
When he has money for the most organically produced
environmentally, conservationist, farmed meat that
is available..

You all miss the fucking point. If Ted was living 200
years ago, there would be no argument. I would totally
support this point of view. Im sorry, but he *CAN*
provide for his family without killing one innocent creature.
Money has everything to do with this. Like the Royal
family, who also choose bloodpsort. They do it, becuase
they FUCKING LIKE DOING IT. THEY FUCKING ENJOY THE KILL..

"THE NUGE" loves hunting innocent creatures. I think this
is wrong, some of you think its fine. Ok lets get over
it, but enough of these half-assed excuses for justification
of bloodsport.

I wonder which he enjoys more ? his paedophilia blowjobs
or killing innocent animals in the wild ??????

Yeah, thats it, bring on the defence of the 12 and 14 year
olds he solicited for head jobs.. The animal argument
is getting old, and its obvious some of you will never
get the point that killing for killing's sake is wrong.
No matter how you fucking color it !!

I wonder how those blowjobs provided for his family ???????

[HELLVIS]

Originally posted by SweetSecrets
Not a good comparison! Does humanity need the black man as a necessary source of protein?

Please, do you really think I actually equate livestock with " the black man "?
Of course not.
It was just a joke. *laughs low, slow, and monotone*
Maybe a lame joke, but a joke just the same.

My point was, that meat is murder. Period. To eat it , it must be killed.
At some time however, all livestock was wild and free. Then some humans began capturing these animals and holding them captive to await a death sentence. Yum! Then it became commercial, since most people want to eat meat but are afraid to face the reality of the kill. Oh, and did I mention that most people are too lazy to procure their own food, be it vegetable or beast. After centuries of this practice, people have rationalized that this is somehow fair and acceptable behavior. " Damn, it's okay to kill cows and chickens. That's what they's raised for. "

[HELLVIS]

If I were a tasty animal, I'd rather be free to roam and screw and run and play and maybe be killed by a bullet someday than to be imprisoned awaiting certain doom. But hey, that's just me.

[HELLVIS]

Originally posted by SweetSecrets
SweetSecrets takes the stand for the defense of Panamark:

"Mark doesn't have a liking for the death of any innocent creature, you dick-head! He risks his own life dodging cars on freeways in SYDNEY (think....fucking pretty busy traffic!) to save helpless dogs without road sense wandering towards near death.

He is my hero! And I am forever his defender!

Ouch! Dick-head? We're just having a discussion here. I respect and enjoy Panamark's posts. That's why I reply to them. I also happen to like Ted...more reason to reply. I mean no disrespect.
I am however, glad that there are people out there, like you, to protect and defend those who need protecting and defending. ( not that Panamark needs it or anything )

Have a vote you big defender you!

[lms2]

Panamark, I understand what your answer is saying, I just don't think it answers the question. If I can afford to go to the store and buy clothes made in a sweat shop buy some underprivileged third world preteen, does that mean I can't make my own because I enjoy it?

But thats okay. I really could care less one way or the other on this topic.

Off topic, but just curious... if you were to learn that David Lee had been with a 12 year old when he was 22, would that change your opinion of him, or would it be okay since he doesn't hunt?

[SweetSecrets]

Originally posted by HELLVIS
Ouch! Dick-head? We're just having a discussion here. I respect and enjoy Panamark's posts. That's why I reply to them. I also happen to like Ted...more reason to reply. I mean no disrespect.
I am however, glad that there are people out there, like you, to protect and defend those who need protecting and defending. ( not that Panamark needs it or anything )

Have a vote you big defender you!

Sorry HELLVIS! I've had a crazy week (lame excuse), and should not have called you a "dick-head." I fully respect your opinions, and I am glad that you share them! :bottle: May the Army prevail! One vote, right back at ya!

(Oh, and about the Panamark thing...I am a bit of a softy for the guy.)

[Panamark]

Originally posted by lms2
Panamark, I understand what your answer is saying, I just don't think it answers the question. If I can afford to go to the store and buy clothes made in a sweat shop buy some underprivileged third world preteen, does that mean I can't make my own because I enjoy it?

But thats okay. I really could care less one way or the other on this topic.

Off topic, but just curious... if you were to learn that David Lee had been with a 12 year old when he was 22, would that change your opinion of him, or would it be okay since he doesn't hunt?

LMS, your example does not include murder. That is no comparison
in the context of this argument.


On the off topic one, I think soliciting blowjobs from preteens is
just as evil than murdering defenceless animals in the wild.
(More so !!)

Dave would never do this. But for hypothical's sake, I would
totally disrepect the man if I knew he had done this to a preteen.

[lms2]

On the sweatshop comment... it is a slow agonizing death. Again, though you are more supportive of "life" whereas my views are based more on quality of life.

Comment on the off topic. Wasn't Dave in a teeny bopper mag flaunting his stuff? So doesn't it make sense that there would be a lot of teeny boppers throwing themselves at him? Every man has his weak spot...

Next question on the off topic. At what "age" does "age" quit making a difference. Though most would agree it is wrong to have any type of sexual relations with a preteen...but most 40 year old men would not pass up the chance to have sexual relations with a 20 year old woman. 20-10, 10 yrs=wrong 40-20, 20 yrs=okay ?????

[Big Troubles]

Im guessing that's not a wedding band?

[Panamark]

Originally posted by lms2
On the sweatshop comment... it is a slow agonizing death. Again, though you are more supportive of "life" whereas my views are based more on quality of life.

Comment on the off topic. Wasn't Dave in a teeny bopper mag flaunting his stuff? So doesn't it make sense that there would be a lot of teeny boppers throwing themselves at him? Every man has his weak spot...

Next question on the off topic. At what "age" does "age" quit making a difference. Though most would agree it is wrong to have any type of sexual relations with a preteen...but most 40 year old men would not pass up the chance to have sexual relations with a 20 year old woman. 20-10, 10 yrs=wrong 40-20, 20 yrs=okay ?????

Are you for real with your sweatshop comparison ? Come on, give
me a better example than that. Although cruel, the people working in
these sweatshops do have the option, not to. Yes I know their
financial situations force them into such barbaric industries, but at the
end of the day they can chose not to work there.

As for your second response, are you kidding me ????

Originally posted by lms2

"Most would agree it is wrong to have any type of sexual relations with a preteen"

*MOST* WTF ?????? I know where I come from *ALL* people would
agree that it was wrong.

Theres no way, you support that shit, I know this.


As for your other example, 40 year old man, 20 year old woman.
The woman is an adult, sexually developed, and doesnt have the
risk of being physcologically fucked for life for performing sexual
acts on a man before she was even a teenager.

I had a 39 year old girlfriend at one stage, when I was 21. Not
far from your comparison in years. She was a very attractive woman
and I can tell you now, there was never a feeling of anything being
wrong.

In the corporate world I have seen many men in their 40's and 50's
end up dating secrataries in their early 20's as girlfriends, and
many get married. Look at your very own glamour industry in the US
(Hollywood) celebrity relationships between older men and younger
women (not girls) is totally acceptable. 15-20 years age difference is
not considered illegal by law, nor is it shunned by society in these
modern times. However, a fully grown man, soliciting blowjobs from
preteen girls is wrong. I dont see how one person here can even
justify that ?

I dont have problems with older men / younger women as most
the parents of people I know, have at least 10 years between
them, 15-20 is nothing these days.Welcome to the new century.
On the flipside I know of many women in their 40's dating guys
in their 20's. I dont get how you can use this as a justification
for paedophilia ??????

LMS, fucking around with children is plain wrong.

I cant fathom any responsible link between those two examples.

[Panamark]

Oh and as for Dave being in a Teenie publication. Van Halen's management would have been very incompetent not to use
this medium to promote Dave/Van Halen. Its well know that
teenage girls buy the most records. Doesnt mean that Dave is
out there getting blowjobs from little 12 year old girls.

By the way, I know you are a great woman, and would be
horrified by this kind of thing, my answers here are in no
way an assumption that you support such things.

[lms2]

Of course I dont. I just had to see you get riled up about something besides hunting.

I think I will just drop everything now.

[tyler412]

animals were put on this planet to be eaten , not to have as pets!
IVE EATEN CATS,DOGS, MONKEYS,BEAR,PIGS,ZEBRASAND MANY OTHER ANIMALS IN OUR COUNTRY. GET OVER IT.

NUGENT AND ROTH ARE GODS

[Matt White]

Uncle TED:
Hunting and 2nd Amendment views=FUCKING RIGHT!!!

MUSIC=BORING!!!
Political Views=???
In light of his recent infidelity scandal, Uncle Ted isn't really qualified to talk about "Family Values", unless it concerns starting 2or 3 families of your own...simultaneously!!!!

DAVE OR THE GRAVE BABY!!!

[ashstralia]

i'd like to apologise to jacksmar,
for calling him an idiot.
jacksmar, i'm sorry,
your prescence on this website
confirms the fact that you're
not an idiot. (i've read your posts)
we may not agree,
but we're on the same side.
but,
please people, DON'T KILL ANIMALS!!!!!!

[jacksmar]

Thanks ash.
BUT WHY KILL IF YOU DONT HAVE TO
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/12/23/Wo...crosshai.shtml
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=3955
Species management?

So why kill to eat another innocent animal yourself, when there are millions who have already been butchared for that reason?
We don't hunt to kill, we kill in order to have hunted. Do any of you grow vegetables in your backyard?

Vegans live happy healthy lives.
http://www.westonaprice.org/myths_tr...tarianism.html
I don’t know what a vegan is. Do you plant seeds to have a vegan grow in your backyard? A vegetarian eats vegetables on the whole and a vegan is a vegetarian with a political axe to grind. Big difference.


Yankee Rose's questions of what does money have to do with it?
http://www.nrahq.org/hunting/huntdollarsbuy.asp
http://www.api4animals.org/70.htm
Both of the sites make monetary assumptions. But in the US, it comes down to a tax, in it’s simplest form.
And where there’s a tax dollar floating into a US State, there’s a politician with a net and bucket try to spend it.

Just a simple test to see how many of you think. Answer honestly.
If you drive a car, you’re hurting the ????

[Golden AWe]

nugent seemed like a proper moron on the last interview i saw from him...

[Panamark]

Originally posted by tyler412
animals were put on this planet to be eaten , not to have as pets!
IVE EATEN CATS,DOGS, MONKEYS,BEAR,PIGS,ZEBRASAND MANY OTHER ANIMALS IN OUR COUNTRY. GET OVER IT.

You really should stick to eating your woman, dude ...
That shit is really sick...

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Panamark
You really should stick to eating your woman, dude ...
That shit is really sick...

I agree. Zebras and Monkeys? WTF!

[ELVIS]

I don't think Ted Nugent ever had any sexual relations with a pre-teen...

[YankeeRose]

Originally posted by Panamark
You really should stick to eating your woman, dude ...

Mark of Distinction...Classic reply darlin'....absolutely, hands down classic!

Here's to ya...

[Panamark]

Thanks Rosie !

I couldnt resist it

Hope you Ray, and kids are all well and healthy !

[Panamark]

Originally posted by ELVIS
I don't think Ted Nugent ever had any sexual relations with a pre-teen...

Guess it depends on whether you believe Courtney Love or not ! :p

[YankeeRose]

#1...I wouldn't believe Courtney Love if her tongue came notarized.

#2...it's all fair to middlin' I guess...same ol', same ol'...howzit it hangin' on your end? Still sparkin' it with the lady-friend?