Do You Approve of Bush's SURGE/ESCALATION???

[Terry]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
I don't think it matters anymore what the American people want. And I don't think that mentality is exclusive to the President's administration. I think our Government has become used to the moniker "Most powerful" and the entire commune of them are sick with greed.

I think our biggest downfall in this whole middle east fiasco is that we trusted the people to want something that they have no idea about. Peace, co-existence with the rest of the planet. I think we underestimate the depth of their "third-world" mentality. I think the whole world is at a complete disadvantage because we want them to live with us when their goals are more short-sighted in that they just want to kill their next door neighbor instead.

Yeah, well, less than half who could vote do, and people don't boycott products made by companies with greedy CEOs, or from companies who close up shop stateside while jobs are shipped overseas, so we get what we deserve when we willingly let the ruling class roll over us while we sit at home watching crappy reality shows. Probably shouldn't speak for everyone, but I know I'm guilty of it.

A world where the strong don't victimize the weak, and the primary goal isn't chasing around little green slips of paper as a means to lord it over those who have less...sounds nice.

[pflo]

As long as the US has "interests" in the middle east, as the stupid fuck himself admitted last night, they will be hated and mistrusted by those people.Its their job to make their country as they want it. If that isnt a democracy like us, tough shit, it aint the states. FUCK OFF!!! You cant impose a way of life or ideals, it has NEVER worked, it is earned. The Yanks need to get the fuck out of ALL countries . Hypocrisy breeds hatred. Remember the Nazis thought they were doing the right thing for humanity. How did that turn out?

[Seshmeister]

The best thing a US ggovernment could do is come out with rhetoric adding Israel and Saudi Arabia to the Axis of evil and then doing nothing for 5 or 10 years. Just keep out of it,

Economically it wouldn't do any damage to the American people and it would remove 99% of the terrorist threat.

Cheers!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by FORD
So who are the two Busheep who are still in favor of wasting American lives for this bullshit?

Brian's on record as opposing the "surge".

WarPig? UltraDouche??

Step up and defend your votes. Better yet, see your local recruiter and put your support where it counts

Sorry --Warpig is wondering how Clinton can be blamed for all this, and UltraDouche is fixing to post an op-ed piece on why America going off the gold standard is sheer communist-inspired evil...

[Seshmeister]

It's all about ego now which makes me sick.

It's all about Bush and Blair's legacy now. American and British troops now have to wait for a change of president/Prime Minister. So basically around 1 or 2 thousand of our troops will be killed because they will not admit they fucked up big time. Most of the Britsih will be out by the end of the year because Blair will be gone by the Summer but a lot of American kids will be killed for nothing les than the political expediency of Bush.

It's totally fucked up but the bottom line is that the majority of US voters chose him again.

[pflo]

yup, a lot of FUCKIN IDIOTS!! I hope those who re elected the "waste of blood" are themselves in Iraq or have a family member there, but I doubt it. Fuckin armchair quarterbacks...go get em bush, its just like a football game. For fuck sakes, someone has to take him out of action! he, by proxy , has killed more civilians in his term than all terrorist acts combined in the last 30 years. That is so fucked.

[Nitro Express]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
The best thing a US ggovernment could do is come out with rhetoric adding Israel and Saudi Arabia to the Axis of evil and then doing nothing for 5 or 10 years. Just keep out of it,

Economically it wouldn't do any damage to the American people and it would remove 99% of the terrorist threat.

Cheers!

I like your idea. After WWII the US started meddling in other countries. We were playing chess with the Soviets and using the whole globe as the board. After the Soviet Union collapsed we didn't leave the chess board and continued to play are meddling game.

I'm afraid we can't afford it no longer with $3 Trillion in debt and a busted down military. We couldn't do shit if China invaded Taiwan tommorrow or if N. Korea invaded the south. We are spread too thin.

It's time to pack it all up and come back home and fix our problems here. We can focus on making stuff again and exporting it and getting other countries money instead of borrowing money to invade other countries.

[Nitro Express]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
The best thing a US ggovernment could do is come out with rhetoric adding Israel and Saudi Arabia to the Axis of evil and then doing nothing for 5 or 10 years. Just keep out of it,

Economically it wouldn't do any damage to the American people and it would remove 99% of the terrorist threat.

Cheers!

I like your idea. After WWII the US started meddling in other countries. We were playing chess with the Soviets and using the whole globe as the board. After the Soviet Union collapsed we didn't leave the chess board and continued to play are meddling game.

I'm afraid we can't afford it no longer with $3 Trillion in debt and a busted down military. We couldn't do shit if China invaded Taiwan tommorrow or if N. Korea invaded the south. We are spread too thin.

It's time to pack it all up and come back home and fix our problems here. We can focus on making stuff again and exporting it and getting other countries money instead of borrowing money to invade other countries.

Originally posted by Seshmeister
It's all about ego now which makes me sick.

It's all about Bush and Blair's legacy now. American and British troops now have to wait for a change of president/Prime Minister. So basically around 1 or 2 thousand of our troops will be killed because they will not admit they fucked up big time. Most of the Britsih will be out by the end of the year because Blair will be gone by the Summer but a lot of American kids will be killed for nothing les than the political expediency of Bush.

It's totally fucked up but the bottom line is that the majority of US voters chose him again.

Yup, Bush wants a gloriouse excuse to prolong the war in Iraq until the next president has to be the one to end it. Bush used to be a CEO and thinks like a CEO, time it so the shit happens on the next guys watch.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
It's all about ego now which makes me sick.

It's all about Bush and Blair's legacy now. American and British troops now have to wait for a change of president/Prime Minister. So basically around 1 or 2 thousand of our troops will be killed because they will not admit they fucked up big time. Most of the Britsih will be out by the end of the year because Blair will be gone by the Summer but a lot of American kids will be killed for nothing les than the political expediency of Bush.

It's totally fucked up but the bottom line is that the majority of US voters chose him again.

Actually, a majority of dummy Americans voted for him the second time, but Gore won the popular vote the first time. And I think he probably won the election, but was screwed by Krazytheleen Harris...

[Lqskdiver]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Simple question.

WHAT IS THE JOB?

The Iraqi government don't want any more troops because they might affect the actions of the Shiite militia. The Iraqi government wants to kill Sunni's and do to them what was done to them under Saddam.

The only role 'coalition' troops have is being targets in a civil war.

What happened to the Baker report exactly?

The people with the best foreign policy pedigree(not saying too much) in the US came up with a plan that even fucking Blair supported.

No lets scrap that idea and go with the fucking wise monkey...

Cheers!

Just so I'm on same page with you, reiterate what Bakers report said.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by FORD
There is no such country as Iraq. The only way to maintain the illusion of "Iraq" was through brutal suppression, and the guy who did that best is no longer eligible, due to a permanently disabling neck injury.

It's time to let the three seperate ethnic regions decide their own fates. The Kurds will have their own state. The Shias will either join Iran outright or form what would essentially be an Iranian client state. The Sunnis could become an annex of either Jordan or Syria. Any of the above is far more likely than a mythical democracy in a fake country.

I've thought of this, too. Once you give power and oil prosperity t2o these groups you create new problems for neighbors. Turkey will be directly targeted by a newly formed Kurdish state with fighting and war breaking out to claim land now held by Turkey where Kurds live.

It's a mess doing it right without leaving your fingerprints on the next wars.

Should have never invaded the Mid East and developed FUEL CELLS instead.

Well, maybe next year. If we have another year which we don't according to Pat Robertson.