Roth's Not Talking
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Really doesn't matter. People go to a KISS show to watch a bunch of stuff blow up on stage. Hell when you are watching explosions while drunk and high, you really don't care about the vocals. Hell. You might not remember most of the concert. You will probably be wondering how you got home and who's panties ended up in your backset.
Majority of concert goers at their shows comprise of casual fans with diehards who now bring their kids.
Its not 1977.=V V=
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You have to admit, MA's "nice guy" persona is annoying not to mention his association with Sam.
Ed and Al will always be jerks and Dave can be a handful but Mike shouldn't be without criticism.=V V=
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Mike has this level of passivity about all the shit that went down...I don't get it, other than maybe by the time Ed finally gave him the boot [Mike] was content to just be done with it and move on. One can't imagine the last several years he was employed by the band - which is basically what he was after Hagar left, an employee - were particularly satisfying. Conventional wisdom is that he didn't even play on Van Halen III. After the Van Halen III tour ended, the band did fuck all. The Van Halens didn't even want him on that last tour with Hagar in 2004, and considering the quality of the shows on that tour had Anthony sat it out he might have been better off.
When one reads Monk's book and the details about how Roth and the Van Halens forced Anthony to sign to a smaller percentage of the publishing going forward from 1984 on, it seems Anthony was kept on a short 'take it or leave it' leash by the Van Halens for a good twenty years before they unceremoniously chucked him out and replaced him with Ed's kid: Ed apparently doesn't consider what Anthony brought to the group as being in the least bit valuable. Anthony has had little to no contact with Roth for the past 35 years. All of which begs the question as to why Anthony would be itching to reunite with the band for what will doubtless be a pittance in terms of the wage offered by the Van Halens for doing so?
I mean, for all the snide remarks about Mike Anthony being Hagar's butt boy, at least Mike gets to play regularly with a group of guys who he has fun with and who appreciate what he brings to the group. The only reason I can see Anthony at this point wanting to even temporarily trade that off for a Van Halen reunion is that he would be doing it for the fans (because one gets the sense that Anthony actually would be willing to do it for the fans: contrast that with the attitude the Van Halens have toward their fans) and he would get paid well. Anything short of that, why bother?
First off, at the end of the book, he claims Dave RELEASED EAS before leaving Van Halen and that was the final straw. The fucking manager doesn't even know the truth.
Secondly, he spends a lot of time defending himself about not having stolen from VH, even though nobody in VH ever publicly accused him of anything.
If he doesn't even remember Dave made EAS after VH released 5150, how can anyone take him seriously.
Thirdly, Sammy said the VH brothers cut Mike out of his share in around 1993 / 1994 (around the time of FUCK). Well if Mike was already cut out 10 years earlier, how did he gain back his equal share in between? No way the VH asshole brothers would have given Mike his equal share back in the interim.
I don't necessarily believe Sammy, but I sure don't trust a greedy little manager who never deserved 20% of the band's take in the first place.
I'm surprised nobody caught Monk's total misrepresentation of when Dave released EAS.Comment
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I mean, I dunno. I suppose Mike could be a total prick in private.
I don't really find Anthony's nice guy persona annoying. More like baffling.
Even if one tends to think the only thing Anthony contributed to CVH was in the area of backing vocals, and that Anthony was merely lucky enough to have been in a band with Eddie Van Halen (the Lottery Winner theory) to begin with, far as I can tell Mike was loyal to the Van Halens for far longer than anybody else who has been in the band. For Anthony to get dumped the way he did, and remain publicly stoic about it, is just mystifying to me.
I don't even find Mike's association with Hagar to be particularly annoying. Mike and Hagar enjoy playing music together...okay. Nobody's forcing me to listen to what they do. There seems to be some who believe that if only Mike wasn't friends with Hagar, Ed wouldn't have chucked him out of the band. Rings false to me.
I don't think anybody's beyond criticism, but the instances of Mike Anthony being a nice guy and associating with Hagar aren't really things worthy of criticism. I mean, was Mike Anthony just supposed to publicly disavow Hagar and sit around waiting for Eddie to call him?Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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Well, this assumes Mike is acting like he's a nice guy - creating said persona - rather than actually simply just being one.
I mean, I dunno. I suppose Mike could be a total prick in private.
I don't really find Anthony's nice guy persona annoying. More like baffling.
Even if one tends to think the only thing Anthony contributed to CVH was in the area of backing vocals, and that Anthony was merely lucky enough to have been in a band with Eddie Van Halen (the Lottery Winner theory) to begin with, far as I can tell Mike was loyal to the Van Halens for far longer than anybody else who has been in the band. For Anthony to get dumped the way he did, and remain publicly stoic about it, is just mystifying to me.
I don't even find Mike's association with Hagar to be particularly annoying. Mike and Hagar enjoy playing music together...okay. Nobody's forcing me to listen to what they do. There seems to be some who believe that if only Mike wasn't friends with Hagar, Ed wouldn't have chucked him out of the band. Rings false to me.
I don't think anybody's beyond criticism, but the instances of Mike Anthony being a nice guy and associating with Hagar aren't really things worthy of criticism. I mean, was Mike Anthony just supposed to publicly disavow Hagar and sit around waiting for Eddie to call him?
Did the bass play itself, And the drums?
What about rehearsal time and effort? What about the touring effort? That contribution adds to record sales (by putting on a good show), and Mike had good stage presence and put as much effort into the tour as anyone, other than DLR. DLR contributed the most on tour by his sheer physicality which by itself is a huge amount of work. Even the greedy manager stated DLR worked his ass off.
I am no musician but there is way more to writing songs than the guitar and vocals.
As far as MA being considered a nice guy, he shit-talked Dave for decades and to me is an ungrateful prick. No DLR, no MA fortune.
And he even shit talked Sammy after 1996. He was likely forced by the brothers, but that just makes him a pussy. He shit talked the guy he claims to be brothers with, instead of standing his ground and sticking up for his friend.
You can't trust anyone like that.Comment
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I never understood the nonsense that Mike and Alex didn't contribute anything.
Did the bass play itself, And the drums?
What about rehearsal time and effort? What about the touring effort? That contribution adds to record sales (by putting on a good show), and Mike had good stage presence and put as much effort into the tour as anyone, other than DLR. DLR contributed the most on tour by his sheer physicality which by itself is a huge amount of work. Even the greedy manager stated DLR worked his ass off.
I am no musician but there is way more to writing songs than the guitar and vocals.
As far as MA being considered a nice guy, he shit-talked Dave for decades and to me is an ungrateful prick. No DLR, no MA fortune.
And he even shit talked Sammy after 1996. He was likely forced by the brothers, but that just makes him a pussy. He shit talked the guy he claims to be brothers with, instead of standing his ground and sticking up for his friend.
You can't trust anyone like that.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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Well, this assumes Mike is acting like he's a nice guy - creating said persona - rather than actually simply just being one.
I mean, I dunno. I suppose Mike could be a total prick in private.
I don't really find Anthony's nice guy persona annoying. More like baffling.
Even if one tends to think the only thing Anthony contributed to CVH was in the area of backing vocals, and that Anthony was merely lucky enough to have been in a band with Eddie Van Halen (the Lottery Winner theory) to begin with, far as I can tell Mike was loyal to the Van Halens for far longer than anybody else who has been in the band. For Anthony to get dumped the way he did, and remain publicly stoic about it, is just mystifying to me.
I don't even find Mike's association with Hagar to be particularly annoying. Mike and Hagar enjoy playing music together...okay. Nobody's forcing me to listen to what they do. There seems to be some who believe that if only Mike wasn't friends with Hagar, Ed wouldn't have chucked him out of the band. Rings false to me.
I don't think anybody's beyond criticism, but the instances of Mike Anthony being a nice guy and associating with Hagar aren't really things worthy of criticism. I mean, was Mike Anthony just supposed to publicly disavow Hagar and sit around waiting for Eddie to call him?No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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Yeah, you need to be high and drunk all the more so if the music is that bad.posted by Ellyllions Men say, "I'll never understand women." That's a very lonely place to be if you're a woman because we don't understand half of what we do either.posted by ALinChainz Katy, Pipe down, pump off, and fly back to your cave you old bat.Comment
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Well, this assumes Mike is acting like he's a nice guy - creating said persona - rather than actually simply just being one.
I mean, I dunno. I suppose Mike could be a total prick in private.
I don't really find Anthony's nice guy persona annoying. More like baffling.
Even if one tends to think the only thing Anthony contributed to CVH was in the area of backing vocals, and that Anthony was merely lucky enough to have been in a band with Eddie Van Halen (the Lottery Winner theory) to begin with, far as I can tell Mike was loyal to the Van Halens for far longer than anybody else who has been in the band. For Anthony to get dumped the way he did, and remain publicly stoic about it, is just mystifying to me.
I don't even find Mike's association with Hagar to be particularly annoying. Mike and Hagar enjoy playing music together...okay. Nobody's forcing me to listen to what they do. There seems to be some who believe that if only Mike wasn't friends with Hagar, Ed wouldn't have chucked him out of the band. Rings false to me.
I don't think anybody's beyond criticism, but the instances of Mike Anthony being a nice guy and associating with Hagar aren't really things worthy of criticism. I mean, was Mike Anthony just supposed to publicly disavow Hagar and sit around waiting for Eddie to call him?
There are so many other artists Bassplayer could have hooked up with - but he decides to go with Sam.=V V=
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Just don't flash any titties. I don't care if the kids see em. Gene will walk off the stage trying to get at em.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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Well when you align yourself with someone who publicly trashed Ed after the 2004 tour ended and then joins his band calling themselves "The Other Half of Van Halen" not to mention more Ed trashing in his book afterwards, what do you expect? So, in my opinion he's not without some criticism.
There are so many other artists Bassplayer could have hooked up with - but he decides to go with Sam.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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I agree, he does show some moments of faulty memory. For instance, some of what he said about VH's South American tour circa the Diver Down era doesn't jibe with the bootlegs and concert chronology...
First off, at the end of the book, he claims Dave RELEASED EAS before leaving Van Halen and that was the final straw. The fucking manager doesn't even know the truth.
Secondly, he spends a lot of time defending himself about not having stolen from VH, even though nobody in VH ever publicly accused him of anything.
If he doesn't even remember Dave made EAS after VH released 5150, how can anyone take him seriously.
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I'm surprised nobody caught Monk's total misrepresentation of when Dave released EAS.Last edited by Nickdfresh; 06-27-2019, 10:01 PM.Comment
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