Cheeto Holds Public Meeting On Immigration To Prove He's Stable

[jacksmar]

So are parts of the US. Some in the nice red states. The Guardian did a series on Alabama and how parts of it are nothing short of third world poverty. Any country where the top 1% controls all the wealth will be a "shithole".

However, the specific references of El Salvador are driven by the notorious MS13 gang - a collection of scum that is a direct outgrowth of the instability and torn social fabric resulting from the civil war there...

Nice deflection but it doesn't work on me. El Salvador has about 56% unemployment and a crime rate that is off the charts. And it's not just the gangs. The typical socialist police are hitmen, they traffic weapons, they extort the gangs for bribes, and rapes in broad daylight.

You and the rest of the commie libs leftist should find it quite nice there. El Salvador: A shithole where a real socialist can fit in.

[Nickdfresh]

Nice deflection but it doesn't work on me. El Salvador has about 56% unemployment and a crime rate that is off the charts. And it's not just the gangs. The typical socialist police are hitmen, they traffic weapons, they extort the gangs for bribes, and rapes in broad daylight.

Not deflecting anything you mongoloid. The unemployment rate is 6.9% dummy, not sure what site you get your shit from. Also, about 30% of El Salvadorans are below the poverty line. I think that's maybe double us, but not the dystopia you paint.

Yes, the police are often hitmen, welcome to the Third World!

You and the rest of the commie libs leftist should find it quite nice there. El Salvador: A shithole where a real socialist can fit in.

Socialists? The right wing won the civil war more or less, idiot!

[Nickdfresh]

What you missed is I don't want anymore PC decorum. Trump cut to the core of the debate. We're supposed to be running a nation not the greenroom of the next Harpo sob story episode.....

Remember that as U.S. military personnel are deployed to Africa and Trump's "un-PC" bullshit may get them killed...

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[jacksmar]

Not deflecting anything you mongoloid. The unemployment rate is 6.9% dummy, not sure what site you get your shit from. Also, about 30% of El Salvadorans are below the poverty line. I think that's maybe double us, but not the dystopia you paint.

Yes, the police are often hitmen, welcome to the Third World!



Socialists? The right wing won the civil war more or less, idiot!

Not sure where you get your facts from. Mongoloid refers to the 3 anthropologic skeletal types. But with all the interbreeding going on, we're all the same and no one can trace their genetic heritage. I think that's the PC version of that bullshit. Back on topic.

Last I checked, governments of the leftist Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front have inserted the state’s role in the economy.
Then enhanced their alliance with the socialist, Venezuela-led Alliance for the Peoples of Our America (ALBA).

As far as the third world, that's where you and your kind think we equate. Chants of USA and MAGA are nationalist.

You can't tell a socialist who a socialist is anymore...

[jacksmar]

Remember that as U.S. military personnel are deployed to Africa and Trump's "un-PC" bullshit may get them killed...

True. Very true. Nothing funny about that.

The exception to the rule is our guys can shoot first now. I really hope you're OK with that.

[FORD]

True. Very true. Nothing funny about that.

The exception to the rule is our guys can shoot first now. I really hope you're OK with that.

Or alternatively, they can just come home since they have no valid reason to be in most of those places to begin with.

[Terry]

You summed it up perfectly...

YES! We can do better and the comment POTUS made was not helpful at all.

Trump is neither the first nor last leader to be caught saying something regrettable or cussing it up inappropriately. Much worse has been said from past leaders and it just demonstrates they are human and express themselves less eloquently than desired at times. Given the total volume of bullshit that any leaders these days, in any country have to deal with... I'm surprised how rarely they don't just cut loose with a hearty salty comment.

But it's wise to remember... it's just a comment in poor taste. Not a declaration of war...

Surely not a declaration of war, but merely a comment in poor taste? Or, when coupled with the Norway remark, the Haitian remark and the African remarks, more of an indication of a pro-white/ anti-minority mindset?

Dismissing it as merely a comment in poor taste is, to me, trying to provide a harmless rationalization for a mindset that is as vulgar as it is nasty.

[Terry]

What you missed is I don't want anymore PC decorum. Trump cut to the core of the debate. We're supposed to be running a nation not the greenroom of the next Harpo sob story episode.

Other countries focus more on trying to attract the best and brightest. When China took over Hong Kong from Britain in 1997, a lot of wealthy Chinese wanted to leave and come to the US. Due to our bs policies they instead went to Canada. Canada gives wealth and education strong preferential treatment. These immigrants from Hong Kong brought an estimated $4.2 billion in wealth with them. Missed that one, didn't hear anyone bitching.

Apparently, most want poorly-educated, unskilled people coming in. There's nothing wrong with wanting well-educated, skilled, and high-income earners coming in either.

What you missed was the substance of my stance on immigration, which is hardly what one would call an all-inclusive, politically correct solution with the Oprah stamp of approval, nor is it one that would by default enable poorly-educated, unskilled people coming in. Perhaps if you re-read the totality my comment, rather than (for whatever reason) reflexively getting defensive about it, you won't mischaracterize what I said. In addition, my comment was most assuredly not written to tailor to what you want in terms of decorum, just as it wasn't offered to piss you off.

Indeed, America, much like other countries, should focus on attracting the best and the brightest.

Trump's comments help none of what either you or I mentioned in the least, unless you really believe the best and the brightest of other countries are going to be attracted to America due to the manner in which Trump characterized less fortunate countries. That manner has less to do with boldly cutting to the core of the debate than it does merely exposing Trump's values for what they are.

Is it merely the wealthy whites we want coming here? Is that the highest priority? For some, doubtless that will be true. I tend to think wealthy white Norwegians would want about as much to do with you and me as they would with people from any of the countries Trump characterized as shitholes, but if an influx of such people makes you feel as good as standing behind the remarks of a president who characterizes poor, non-white countries as shitholes, I guess you'll find plenty in that idea to please you.

Maybe we can all work at Ikea.

[jacksmar]

What you missed was the substance of my stance on immigration, which is hardly what one would call an all-inclusive, politically correct solution with the Oprah stamp of approval, nor is it one that would by default enable poorly-educated, unskilled people coming in. Perhaps if you re-read the totality my comment, rather than (for whatever reason) reflexively getting defensive about it, you won't mischaracterize what I said. In addition, my comment was most assuredly not written to tailor to what you want in terms of decorum, just as it wasn't offered to piss you off.

Indeed, America, much like other countries, should focus on attracting the best and the brightest.

Trump's comments help none of what either you or I mentioned in the least, unless you really believe the best and the brightest of other countries are going to be attracted to America due to the manner in which Trump characterized less fortunate countries. That manner has less to do with boldly cutting to the core of the debate than it does merely exposing Trump's values for what they are.

Is it merely the wealthy whites we want coming here? Is that the highest priority? For some, doubtless that will be true. I tend to think wealthy white Norwegians would want about as much to do with you and me as they would with people from any of the countries Trump characterized as shitholes, but if an influx of such people makes you feel as good as standing behind the remarks of a president who characterizes poor, non-white countries as shitholes, I guess you'll find plenty in that idea to please you.

Maybe we can all work at Ikea.

Terry, I wasn't at all trying to mischaracterize your post. I would like for there to be room for centrist policies and attitudes. But all it has done is lead to some kind of amnesty.

El Salvador is a shithole. When your country has the worlds highest murder rate, you're on the pole for the Shithole 500.

So where should these immigrants come from? Somalia? A shithole that provides sanctuary for international pirates. How about Uganda? A shithole where Al-Shabaab terrorists can bomb kill soccer fans and find sanctuary. That muslim immigration is working well. Just ask the shoppers at the Minneapolis mall.

Believe it or not, there is an inferior culture we don't want and don't need here.

I agree with you entirely. They should not all be rich whites that don't want to integrate. The left doesn't want any part of fixing immigration and to reorient our immigration policy toward taking people who can successfully assimilate here. More of the same.

That's the story as I see it.

And the first chance the left got to poison the negotiations, they jumped.

[Terry]

Yes, but does that mean every Somali is a pirate? Or every Ugandan sympathizes with Al-Shabaab terrorists? Or every Muslim is a radical who wants to harm America?

I do think we need vetting. I'd agree 100% that there are different cultures than ours, because that is self-evident. Inferior because they're different, or not as well off? I'll leave that one to the side.

I do also believe those who want to come here SHOULD be vetted. And those who want to come here should actually be tested in terms of being able to speak and understand English as a prerequisite to entry. I also think those who want to come here should be ready to assimilate into American society and culture (learning English prior to arrival being a part of that), and not come here to form separatist enclaves.

Perhaps when it comes to immigration, such views aren't defined as progressive. I just grow weary of the belief that we in America need to take in anybody and everybody who wants to come here and care for them while asking for little in return from them, to the point where they don't even feel the need to learn English. Or become naturalized citizens in some cases after living here for decades. Or enter the country on a travel visa, overstay their visa, not become legal citizens and live in the shadows: I can't imagine that is something that is useful for us as a nation OR those living here in those circumstances.

Yet, I'm also able to if not here and now make the case (it'd take too long and distract from the larger point I want to make) for why I feel the way I do at least say how I feel without using the language Trump did. That language wasn't helpful: the left wouldn't have been able to use that to poison the negotiations had Trump not said it the way he did. Trump's attitudes and means of expressing them do more damage to his stance and cause than help, because Trump isn't able to articulate his beliefs in a manner that doesn't give creedence to the fact that Trump's core beliefs are what any reasonable person would define as racist. Every time Trump approaches the subject of race, his language and attitudes betray his long held core beliefs again and again. Saying that Trump "just tells it like it is" is a pretty lame denial that Trump is a racist.

It's not only recognizing racism for what it is in terms of not trying to cloak it or deny it, but what one does AFTER they recognize racism for what it is. There are a lot of race cards in the deck, and not all of them are dealt from the top.

I can't sit here and tell you that I don't feel safer when I'm surrounded by people similar to myself in terms of color, creed and ethnicity. However, ultimately I think our commonalities as members of the same species should be placed before our religious, racial, national and economic differences. Am I living it like I preach it? Nope. When I look at El Salvador, I have far more sympathy toward them than disdain in terms of where that nation is at. I don't get the feeling with Trump, based on what he says and how he says it, that he has any degree of sympathy for any non-white, non-American people who are poor. I think he's fearful of them, and calling them residents of shitholes feeds into making him feel like he's superior to them. Typical of a guy who was born on 3rd base and hasn't had to struggle for anything, perhaps.

I mean, when you say there are inferior cultures and they're not wanted here, that's the same type of thing that was said about Italians and Irishmen in the 1920s. Is it your belief that attitude was correct back then as well?

[Kristy]

Well, well, well. Fuck me with a broom handle the just raped a HIV-infected Rhesus money. All Grumpy Trumpy did was say what most of white and black America thinks of "'dem countries" where, let's say, the population is than than ideal. Of course, a lot of this has to do with American imperialism and their support of corrupt governments. No question liberals are throwing hissy fits while what remains of the Rethuglicon party feigns concern over Trump while they can still use him to brutalize the poor. I have no doubts that syphilis-brain damaged orange F A T fuck is not equipped for Office but that's beside the point. America is full of racist and by full I mean every one of us. If bigots like slave FORD and misogynists like slave SESH can get away what they get away with you know they are not far from being racist. But they love to project on Asscracksmar or Von the fucking retard because they know they are racist n order to clear their warped conscience.

No one here is fooling me. You are all assholes. You support assholes and believe in their words because they do and say what you are too lazy to do and say yourselves. Is Haiti a "shithole?" Well, yes. Then again, so is much of the south, California and don't get me started on Cleveland and the scum that grows there.


This, this is what voted for Trump. America's own shithole of white trash so uneducated and clueless that Trump himself doesn't realize that a "shithole" is what got him elected. That's right, the Honey Boo-Boo of MAGA placed a dumbfuck in the highest power in the world and you cretins blame everyone but yourselves. I'm not surprised since not one of you ever finished high school and project your life failures upon a bald aging rock star who can't sing with bizarre homoerotic fantasies. No wonder America is fucked.

Every one of you needs to go to timeout and eat a bag of dicks.

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[Nickdfresh]

Not sure where you get your facts from. Mongoloid refers to the 3 anthropologic skeletal types. But with all the interbreeding going on, we're all the same and no one can trace their genetic heritage. I think that's the PC version of that bullshit. Back on topic.

Or someone that is an excessive mouthbreather....

Last I checked, governments of the leftist Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front have inserted the state’s role in the economy.
Then enhanced their alliance with the socialist, Venezuela-led Alliance for the Peoples of Our America (ALBA).

You mean when you Googled like three minutes after reading my post. The FMLN has been in power for a few years and El Salavador's problems far predate their electoral victory...

You can't tell a socialist who a socialist is anymore...

It would help if you knew what the definition and some of the theoretical concepts behind socialism actually were. And then moved on from blaming long standing social problems on socialism when in fact they stem from the country essentially being run for decades of a plutocratic kleptocracy military dictatorship......