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    He's not talking about you personally, he's making a viable political comment on Blackwater. So stop with the croc tears....
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    Quote Originally Posted by baru911 View Post
    Yes, I am new. I think you can tell as I allowing my "panties to get in a wad" over someone using "KKK" or Klan references when they refer to me. Sardonic humor as an excuse? As you have pointed out is all in jest here in the political forums, right? Nothing to get uptight about.

    Hey, Ford keep referencing the Klan. It is in jest. It is just humor. How could that cause any harm to anyone?
    Quote Originally Posted by baru911 View Post

    BTW, thanks for not typing Blackwater with three k's. I do appreciate that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baru911 View Post
    BTW, thanks for not typing Blackwater with three k's. I do appreciate that.
    No worries. Can't promise however, I won't do it in the future, because as Nick points out...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    He's not talking about you personally, he's making a viable political comment on Blackwater. So stop with the croc tears....
    It's still a valid reference, but it's not directed AT you personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    No worries. Can't promise however, I won't do it in the future, because as Nick points out...



    It's still a valid reference, but it's not directed AT you personally.
    Croc tears?

    I wrote something similar to this earlier in a personal message about this thread....

    Like everyone I have many memories in life. Some good, some great, and some filled with sorrow. Some of the most vivid memories I have are of my Grandfather. In my 20's when I wasn't running all around the world I got to know him as a "friend". He told stories of growing up in southern IN. He and his father stood-up for things that in today's society are "normal". That didn't sit well with certain members of the Klan. My grandfather and great grandfather never backed down. My family paid a heavy price for those beliefs. He stood for what is good within the Country we live in, and he fought for it

    I'm not crying "croc tears". For Nick to state that he cheapens my Grandfather and his memory. Granted he doesn't have my prospective/history but I would think that a bit of empathy might shine through on this subject. However, I'm projecting my views on this.

    You want to come after me.........go ahead. You want to argue my ideas I post here or my "conservative" values..........go a head. I'm just asking for the Klan/KKK crap to be left out of post aimed towards me. That is all.
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    He can't help himself...

    Wait until he tells you to die in a fire...


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    Quote Originally Posted by baru911 View Post
    Croc tears?

    I wrote something similar to this earlier in a personal message about this thread....

    Like everyone I have many memories in life. Some good, some great, and some filled with sorrow. Some of the most vivid memories I have are of my Grandfather. In my 20's when I wasn't running all around the world I got to know him as a "friend". He told stories of growing up in southern IN. He and his father stood-up for things that in today's society are "normal". That didn't sit well with certain members of the Klan. My grandfather and great grandfather never backed down. My family paid a heavy price for those beliefs. He stood for what is good within the Country we live in, and he fought for it

    I'm not crying "croc tears". For Nick to state that he cheapens my Grandfather and his memory. Granted he doesn't have my prospective/history but I would think that a bit of empathy might shine through on this subject. However, I'm projecting my views on this.

    You want to come after me.........go ahead. You want to argue my ideas I post here or my "conservative" values..........go a head. I'm just asking for the Klan/KKK crap to be left out of post aimed towards me. That is all.
    You're a little sensitive for the internetz, bud. I've heard the term commie-lib thrown about here quite often even though some of us "libs" lost relatives to communism in Eastern Europe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by baru911 View Post
    However, it is very nice that you just gave Ford free rein to continue calling me a member of the Klan. It is all in jest, right?
    I think you may have misinterpreted his post. FORD was not calling you a member of the Klan. FORD just uses acronyms and other nicknames to refer to any number of entities he believes to be evil. You will have to get used to it; we don't police that sort of thing unless it is contrary to the rules of the site, which are few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Shark View Post
    I think you may have misinterpreted his post. FORD was not calling you a member of the Klan. FORD just uses acronyms and other nicknames to refer to any number of entities he believes to be evil. You will have to get used to it; we don't police that sort of thing unless it is contrary to the rules of the site, which are few.
    In other words...


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    Quote Originally Posted by baru911 View Post
    Yes, I reported the post. Maybe if your previous generations had been followed, beaten, had crosses burned in their yards, businesses harmed you might see the correlation. That is where my views come from. However, it is very nice that you just gave Ford free rein to continue calling me a member of the Klan. It is all in jest, right? I might go back and forth with others on points but NOT with racist/hate terminology typed within them.

    Asking me to grow "a pair" in this context is mind blowing.
    I never called YOU a member of the Klan. I called you a BlacKKKwater shill, because you shill for BlacKKKwater.

    And I spell BlacKKKwater with three K's, because they ARE a white supremacist organization, founded by neo-nazi EriKKK Prince.

    Hope that clears up the confusion.

    Oh.... and FUCK OFF yourself. :fupunk:
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    OMG, some people are way too thin skinned for this place!!! Sir, you really need to settle down...you're going to get eaten alive at this rate!

    FORD didn't call you anything...and until you've been called a cunt as many times as I have, you have nothing to whine about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig View Post
    Ummm...WHAT?

    It's disgusting you'd question my lineage, making suppositions about what my family has or has not been through in comparison to yours.
    Why is it disgusting? It seems you need to grow a pair also. You're whining about the same thing you're criticizing baru911 for. At least he didn't know how the game is played around here. You do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    Actually no it's not.

    I can relate to the previous generations encountering abuse - hell, I've had to deal with Klanbot assholes in my personal life
    Tell us why. C'mon...it's story time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    Fact is, Blackwater sucks and you're shilling for them, you should expect the abuse.
    Blackwater technically does not exist anymore. This is the new NAME!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    I never called YOU a member of the Klan. I called you a BlacKKKwater shill, because you shill for BlacKKKwater.

    And I spell BlacKKKwater with three K's, because they ARE a white supremacist organization, founded by neo-nazi EriKKK Prince.
    I wonder if all the Afro-Americans working for Academi and the former Blackwater know this.

    FORD, were you born retarded or do you work at it? Or a little of both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBrian View Post
    Blackwater technically does not exist anymore. This is the new NAME!
    Kind of like the old Soviet secret police agencies. Once a name is so linked to bloodshed and corruption, you need to change it...

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    Was glad to see some of the higher ups in Syria got taken out with a bomb yesterday.

    Need to get rid of the rest of those evil cocksuckers now.

    Here's to the PEOPLE of Syria!

    May they destroy the current regime and go on to live in a country with some semblance of freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBrian View Post
    Blackwater technically does not exist anymore. This is the new NAME!
    What, they got tired of "Xe" already? Did somebody tell EriKKK that it sounded too Chinese?
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    CNN is reporting that the Syrian Vice President may be defecting to the opposition Free Syrian Army...

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    Strategy! -Syria Edition ~`~



    Blue is land . Brown is sea.
















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    For Thomas:
    The rush of water, to the point of tossing rock about. This is Shih
    The strike of a hawk, at the killing snap. This is the node.
    Shih is like drawing the crossbow.
    The node is like pulling the trigger.
    From Chapter 5
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    The effort placed in the crosshairs of the crossbow is considerable.
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    Hundreds Dead in Weekend Massacres/Fighting

    The Free Syrian Army said the aircraft had been firing at people in the north-eastern district of Jobar, and that it had crashed in neighbouring Qabun.

    State television confirmed that a helicopter had come down in Qabun.

    On Sunday, opposition activists said government forces had massacred more than 300 people during their assault on the south-western suburb of Darayya.

    Video footage and photographs have emerged, showing scores of bodies, including those of women and children.

    State media blamed the opposition for the killings and said Darayya had been "cleansed of terrorist remnants".

    The chairman of the UN Human Rights Council's Independent Commission of Inquiry on Syria, Paulo Pinheiro, told the BBC the killings might constitute a war crime.

    More at BBC.com

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    Syrian Armed Forces


    recent time about 20-30 Syrian officers defect to Turkey each day.
    http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/3...cat=669&loc=49

    Because of the Alawite* composition of the Syrian armed forces, its interests are closely aligned with those of President Bashar al-Assad and theAssad family.
    *religious group centred inSyriawho follow a branch of theTwelverschool ofShia


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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_...rian_Arab_Army

    The Free Syrian Army traces its origin to early defectors from the Syrian army who refused to shoot on unarmed protesters during the Syrian uprising

    reports in December indicated that as many as half the army conscripts did not report to army duty in the last three call-ups, and that lower-level officers were deserting in large numbers. In some cases, whole units had deserteden masse.
    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...itary-1.402625

    Turkish government sources reported that same month a surge in desertions with there being over 20,000 desertions in the past month alone bringing the total number of deserters from the Syrian army to over 60,000 soldiers
    Syria’s armed forces have 295,000 active personnel, according to the International Institute for Strategic Studies’ 2012 Military Balance.

    It’s “not clear that the regime has sufficient loyal forces to guarantee survival against a sustained campaign of protest or an active armed insurgency,” according to the report.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...y-says-1-.html


    fullsize here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Po...June_2012).jpg

    Criticism
    War crimes allegations
    On 8 August, FSA commanders distributed an 11-point code of conduct signed by scores of brigade commanders and rebel leaders. It states that all fighters must "respect human rights ... our tolerant religious principles and international human rights law - the same human rights that we are struggling for today"

    The FSA, for its part, stated that they would put those fighters that had conducted the unlawful killings on trial.

    Removed direct picture below due to a conflict of date. The photo was created on 2011-12-02 03:19 (UTC) ,
    but the headline states it is August 2012
    ~`~ noted disinformation and timing.
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...il_War.svg.png



    http://www.understandingwar.org/site...21June2012.pdf


    With Syria engulfed by war, the destruction of numerous archeological excavation sites may appear insignificant. But important historical evidence of ancient civilization is threatened with destruction.

    The fortified Temple of Bel in Palmyra was once a major tourist attraction in Syria
    Listen to the audio on this link: http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,16191710,00.html






    Interactive Map: Syria's Torture Centers

    http://www.hrw.org/reports/2012/07/0...-archipelago-0

    Syria's chemical weapons - interactive
    Syria's chemical weapons stockpiles– which include mustard gas and sarin, a devastating nerve agent – are currently in control of troops loyal to Bashar al-Assad. But where are they, and what effect could they have if the regime became desperate?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/inte...ap-interactive

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    total:2,052 km
    country comparison to the world:72
    standard gauge:1,801 km 1.435-m gauge
    narrow gauge:251 km 1.050-m gauge (2008)
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    JSCRosoboronexport(Russian: OAO Рособоронэкспорт)
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/syria

    http://blogs.aljazeera.com/liveblog/topic/syria-153


    Interactive: Tracking Syria's defections
    This visualization tracks senior military officials, members of parliament and diplomats who quit Assad's regime.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/int...840348158.html

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    Syrian Rebels Have Seized an Air Defense Post and Its Missiles
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/wo...?smid=pl-share
    BEIRUT, Lebanon — Opposition fighters in Syria said early Saturday that they had captured an air defense base in the eastern province of Deir el-Zour, taking at least 16 soldiers captive and seizing weapons and ammunition

    Syria Freedom Fighters Celebrate Capture of Abu Aldhor Airport and Tanks Stationed There 8-31-12


    FSA (Free Syrian Army) planted bombs in army building

    Syrian rebels have said they planted bombs inside the army's general staff headquarters in Damascus as President Bashar al-Assad's forces bulldozed buildings in parts of the capital that have backed the uprising.

    Syrian state television said four people were wounded in what it called a terrorist attack on the general staff compound in the highly guarded Abu Rummaneh district, where another bomb attack killed four of Assad's top lieutenants two months ago.

    "The operation targeted officers in the Assad army who have been planning and giving the go-ahead for the massacres against the Syrian people," said a video statement by the Grandsons of the Prophet brigade, a division of the Free Syrian Army. "Bombs were planted inside the army headquarters," said the video statement, which was broadcast on Arab satellite channels.

    But as the rebels demonstrated that they could strike at the heart of the security apparatus, residents said army bulldozers had moved on the Zayat and Farouk neighbourhoods to the west, and destroyed at least 20 buildings in the Sunni Muslim areas that have sheltered the insurgents.

    2.9.2012 Damascus:Explosion in Damascus ,second time general staff gov building is targeted












    S9A18

    Sun Tzu Said:
    When in battle,
    Use the orthodox to engage.
    Use the extraordinary to attain victory.

    Chapter 5

    Commentary:
    Engage people with what they expect. It is what they are able to discern and confirms their assumptions and projections. It settles them into predictable patterns or response, occupying their minds, while you wait for the extraordinary moment - that which they cannot anticipate.

    Though the extraordinary is unanticipated, the orthodox is not fixed either. It changes as people's perceptions grow and shift. Use of these two thus requires constant awareness of the enemy's developing state of mind. It is a contemplative exercise, not a repeatable trick.


    Daniel 1:1
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    France warns of Syrian chemical weapons attack
    By ANGELA CHARLTON | Associated Press – 2 hrs 13 mins ago
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    PARIS (AP) — Western powers are preparing a tough response in case Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime deploys chemical or biological weapons in its civil war, France's foreign minister said Monday.

    Syria's leadership has said the country, which is believed to have nerve agents as well as mustard gas and Scud missiles capable of delivering them, could use chemical or biological weapons if it were attacked from outside.

    President Barack Obama has called it a "red line" for the U.S. if Assad's regime were to use such lethal weapons, and France has been ratcheting up its language on the issue.

    If Syria uses such weapons, "our response ... would be massive and blistering," French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said on RMC radio Monday.

    He said Western countries are monitoring the movement of the weapons in Syria to be ready to "step in" immediately.

    Fabius said "we are discussing this notably with our American and English partners."

    Fabius added that Russia and China are "of the same position," but did not elaborate. Fabius acknowledged frustration at their continuing support for Assad.

    The foreign ministries of both China and Russia declined immediate comment on Monday.

    Since the start of the Syrian conflict, Beijing has been consistent in its stance that it should be settled through negotiations and not by outside forces.

    Moscow is Syria's chief ally, and Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov told the AP in a recent interview that Russia has the Syrian government's assurances that chemical weapons will not be used. Gatilov said Russia will "work toward the goal of preventing such things from happening."

    China and Russia have repeatedly used their veto powers in the U.N. Security Council to block U.S.- and Arab-backed action that could have led to sanctions against Assad's regime.

    Syria's opposition has urged outside military help against Assad's armed forces.

    "I am going to be very clear, we are requesting military intervention in order to protect Syrian civilians who have been constantly murdered over the last year and a half," the head of the Syrian National Council, Abdelbaset Sieda, said in Madrid on Monday.

    "The European Union should take the initiative and pressure Russia ... so we can lay down some protected areas for refugees," Sieda said after meeting Spain's Foreign Affairs Minister Jose Manuel Garcia Margallo.

    Margallo said Spain would continue to press for a united EU approach to Syria and urged Syrian opposition groups to overcome their divisions and join together against the Assad regime.

    The new U.N. envoy to Syria, Lakhdar Brahimi, acknowledged Monday that brokering an end to the civil war is a "very, very difficult task."

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    Harold Heckle in Madrid and Nataliya Vasilyeva in Moscow contributed to this report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baru911 View Post
    I'll be more than happy to talk about contractors. Happy to give my views on them. If someone wanted to start a thread. However, I'm not a Blackwater shill. I would consider myself a Triple Canopy shill but nobody seems to hammer them here .


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    Of Syria wants to have a revolution let them have it. It's not our job to police them. If anything maybe countries other than the US should do something for once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redballjets88 View Post
    Of Syria wants to have a revolution let them have it. It's not our job to police them. If anything maybe countries other than the US should do something for once.
    Like Canada, Australia, the UK,etc. You know, all those countries that do something but just shut up and do it without jumping up and down saying look at us, look at us?

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    @Redneckjets:

    The Middle East is going through gowing pains because of outside interference from ALL those countries, since at least the 19th century.

    And I am all for the US and Israel simultaneously letting go of each others' nutsac.

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    Free Syrian Army claims downed two MiG planes in Idlib
    The Free Syrian Army claimed on Tuesday that it had downed two Syrian government MiG jets in Abu al-Dhuhour, an area in the northwestern province of Idlib.

    Members of FSA’s Martyrs Brigades broadcast a video showing wreckage of the broken fighter jet planes as well as the corpse of one of the plane's pilots.



    Aircraft Inventory

    Due to the high security level on everything military the past and the present of the Syrian Arab Air Force is still largely unknown. This makes it hard to judge the real strength of the air force today.[24] The following information is compiled from multiple sources.

    Between ~458 to ~752 Fixed Wing Aircraft:
    Combat/Reconnaissance/OCU Aircraft: Between ~357 and ~611
    Training Aircraft: Between ~81 and ~117
    Transport Aircraft: Between ~20 and ~24
    Between ~176 to ~214 Rotary Wing Aircraft:
    Attack Helicopter: Between ~70 and ~84
    Armed Transport/Utility Helicopter: Between ~106 and ~120
    Electronic Warfare/Command Helicopter: Between ~0 and ~10

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    Mostly in reserve.
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    ‘Opposition is becoming increasingly strong, unified’: Free Syrian Army head

    On Monday, a FSA colonel named Fatih Fahd Hasoon announced the formation of the “Revolutionary Military Council” in the central city of Homs

    Brigadier General Mustafa Sheikh, told Al Arabiya in an interview aired on Tuesday.

    Embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime is attempting to spread sectarianism to stave off chances of its downfall, he said, but opposition forces were congregating together. Sectarianism is a challenge Syrians have to face, he added.

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    Women Join The FSA - Free Syrian Army 2nd sept 2012 Syria


    But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
    Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
    And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
    The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

    She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
    May not deal in doubt or pity—must not swerve for fact or jest.
    These be purely male diversions—not in these her honour dwells—
    She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.

    She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
    As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
    And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
    Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

    She is wedded to convictions—in default of grosser ties;
    Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!—
    He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
    Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.



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    A Syrian rebel sits inside a car converted into an armored combat vehicle in Khaldiyeh neighborhood in Homs province, on May 15, 2012. (AP Photo/Fadi Zaidan)



    Free Syrian Army fighters sit in a house on the outskirts of Aleppo, Syria, on June 12, 2012. Syrian forces pelted the eastern city of Deir el-Zour with mortars as anti-government protesters were dispersing before dawn, killing several people, activists said. The offensives were part of an escalation of violence in recent weeks that has brought more international pressure on President Bashar Assad's regime faces over its brutal tactics against the opposition. The U.N. accused the government of using children as human shields in a new report. (AP Photo)


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    Cameron and Hollande agree on hastening end of Assad's rule in Syria
    French and UK leaders talk of need to help opposition form new government and end 'civilian toll from political stalemate'
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...ion?CMP=twt_gu
    Syria’s Christians support stability, not Assad’s regime: Church

    Lebanon’s Christian Maronite Patriarch Beshara al-Rai, attends an interview with Reuters in Bkirki, north of Beirut, February 28, 2012. (Reuters)

    Syria’s Christians do not support the regime of President Bashar al-Assad, but they do want stability in their war-torn country, Lebanon’s Maronite Christian Patriarch Bishara Rai told AFP on Thursday.

    “I tell Westerners who say that we (Christians) are with the Syrian regime that we are not with regimes, we are with the state. There is a big difference,” Rai told AFP, a week before the arrival in Lebanon of Pope Benedict XVI.

    “In Iraq, when Saddam Hussein was removed, we lost a million Christians,” he said at the patriarchal residence in Diman in northwest Lebanon. “Why? Not because the regime fell, but because there was no more authority, there was a vacuum.”
    http://english.alarabiya.net/article...06/236479.html



    France may seek to break the increasingly bloody stalemate in Syria by providing rebel forces with artillery and anti-aircraft guns, it has been claimed.


    The northern Syrian city of Aleppo has been the site of the bloodiest recent fighting in that country's brutal war, and we're still getting only glimpses of the violence.

    But GlobalPost has a striking video of a devastating bombing that killed an entire family — except for a 1-year-old boy who survived without any serious injuries.

    The video speaks for itself and needs only the briefest explanation.

    A helicopter air strike pummeled the three-story apartment building, according to reporter Tracey Shelton. Rescuers then sifted through the rubble by hand, but it appeared that everyone in one family had been killed.

    But after six hours of searching, rescuers found Hassan, a one-year-old boy who was "discovered unscathed, still cradled [in his mother's] lifeless arms," Shelton reports.
    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/09/06/160688531/a-bombing-in-syria-wipes-out-a-family-but-a-baby-survives
    Inside Syria: Surviving Aleppo (VIDEO)
    Against all odds, a toddler survives a bomb attack that killed his entire family in Aleppo, Syria. Many more have not not been so lucky.
    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/syria/120905/aleppo-video-bomb-attack-children-death-toll

    “Ten bakery attacks is not random – they show no care for civilians and strongly indicate an attempt to target them.”

    Human Rights Watch researchers visited six of the attacked bakeries and interviewed witnesses:

    Bakery in Maare, northern Aleppo, August 22;
    Bakery in Al-Bab, northeastern Aleppo, August 21 and 22;
    Aqyuol bakery in Bab al-Hadid, Aleppo city, August 21;
    Al-Zarra bakery in Qadi Askar, Aleppo city, August 16;
    Kanjou bakery, al-Maysar, Aleppo city, August 16;
    Bakery in al-Halwaniya, Aleppo city, August 16;
    Human Rights Watch collected credible information about four other attacks:

    Bakery in Manbij, northern Aleppo, August 24;
    Hussein bakery in al-Qaterji, Aleppo city, August 16;
    Bakery in Tariq al-Bab, Aleppo city, August 10;
    Bakery in al-Sheikh Sa’id district, Aleppo city, August 11.



    Friday,September 7 2012, Your time is 04:01:40


    Senior ex-army commander shares knowledge with FSA
    A senior commander who defected from the Syrian army to join the Free Syrian Army (FSA) is now using his knowledge of heavy weapons and military training for the opposition.

    “Three months ago, I was ordered to shoot a civilian residence area in one of the districts of Aleppo. Then I was ordered to bomb Azaz and the whole city. I never bombed [these places], and objected to the decision saying that I would not hit civilians. The intelligence service questioned me. I met with the brigadier general. They bought me a ticket for Damascus and said that I had been ‘called for a duty,’ which meant they would put me in jail. I received my ticket and escaped,” Maj. Muhammed Ebu Tevfik said.

    Tevfik, who had previously trained military officers in the Syrian army’s artillery unit, now uses his knowledge of highly destructive arms such as tanks and cannons for the opposition. Tevfik also planned the operations to be held in critical points of Aleppo.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/senior-ex-army-commander-shares-knowledge-with-fsa.aspx?pageID=238&nID=27321&NewsCatID=338



    Egypt’s satellite Nilesat stopped broadcasting official Syrian television stations on Wednesday, after a request from the ministers’ committee at the Arab League after the bloc met earlier in the day.

    “We have stopped transmission of the official Syrian channels, implementing the recommendations of the Arab League,” the executive, who asked to remain anonymous, told AFP.
    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/09/05/236307.html

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    A series of dramatic photos showing a Free Syrian Army position being hit by a gov't tank shell...

    http://www.globalpost.com/photo-gall...-aleppo-photos

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    Turkey steps up Syria strikes, says will defend borders

    By Jonathon Burch and Murad Sezer

    AKCAKALE, Turkey | Thu Oct 4, 2012 3:07pm EDT

    (Reuters) - Turkey stepped up retaliatory artillery strikes on a Syrian border town on Thursday, killing several Syrian soldiers, while its parliament approved further military action in the event of another spillover of the Syrian conflict.

    Seeking to unwind the most serious cross-border escalation in its 18-month-old crackdown on dissent, Damascus apologized through the United Nations for shelling which killed five civilians in southeast Turkey on Wednesday and said it would not happen again, Turkey's Deputy Prime Minister Besir Atalay said.

    Syria's staunch ally Russia said it had received assurances from Damascus that the mortar strike had been a tragic accident.

    But Turkey's government said "aggressive action" against its territory by Syria's military had become a serious threat to its national security and parliament approved the deployment of Turkish troops beyond its borders if needed.

    Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said the fundamental aim of parliament's mandate was as a deterrent.

    "We as Turkey just want peace and security in our region. We could never be interested in something like starting a war. The consequences of war are plain to see in Iraq and Afghanistan," Erdogan told reporters at a news conference in Ankara.

    He said the shelling was the eighth attack of its kind from Syria, but that the previous incidents had only caused material damage and Damascus had ignored Ankara's warnings on the issue.

    "The Turkish Republic is a state capable of defending its citizens and borders. Nobody should try and test our determination on this subject," he added.

    At the United Nations, Russia blocked the adoption of a draft statement condemning the Syrian shelling of Akcakale and proposed a text that would call for "restraint" on the border without referring to breaches of international law.

    Western diplomats complained that Russia's proposals, if accepted, would weaken the statement to an unacceptable degree.

    U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon was "alarmed by escalating tensions" between Syria and Turkey and warned that the risk of the 18-month-old Syrian conflict embroiling the entire region was growing, his spokesman said.

    China's Foreign Ministry urged Turkey and Syria to exercise restraint.

    The peaceful pro-democracy movement which surfaced in March 2011 in Syria turned into a full-scale armed revolt after President Bashar al-Assad tried to crush it and is now becoming a sectarian conflict that could destabilize neighboring states.

    Turkey hit back after what it called "the last straw" when the mortar hit Akcakale, killing a mother, her three children and a female relative.

    Atalay said Turkey had exercised its right to retaliation and that parliament's authorization for a foreign military deployment was not a "war memorandum".

    "It's a deterrent measure taken in line with Turkey's interests, for use when it needs to protect itself," he told reporters.

    Three armored personnel carriers were positioned on the southern edge of Akcakale, their guns trained on the Syrian town of Tel Abyad a few miles (kilometers) across the frontier. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said three Syrian soldiers were killed by Turkish shelling of a military post nearby.

    Syrian state media has not reported any casualties.

    The observatory also reported clashes between Syrian rebels and the Syrian army at the military post, and said the rebels had killed 21 elite Republican Guards on Thursday in an ambush on an army minibus in a suburb northwest of Damascus.

    AGGRESSIVE ACTION

    The southern edge of Akcakale, right on the border, resembles a ghost town. Houses stand empty and shops are shuttered. Much of the population is ethnically Arab and many men walk around in the traditional Arab jalabiyya and red and white headscarves.

    "Everyone is gone, look around," said Ibrahim Cilden, 33, who lives only a few houses away from the one which was hit on Wednesday. A new camp for Syrian refugees sits on the edge of the town but nobody has yet moved in.

    "Where have they built it? Right at the exit to our town. So the Syrians fire mortars at us. We act like a magnet," he said.

    Turkey's parliament already had been due to vote on Thursday on extending a five-year-old authorization for foreign military operations, an agreement originally intended to allow strikes on Kurdish militant bases in northern Iraq.

    But the memorandum signed by Erdogan and sent for parliamentary approval also said that despite repeated warnings and diplomatic initiatives, the Syrian military had launched aggressive action against Turkish territory, presenting a "serious threat".

    "At this point the need has emerged to take the necessary measures to act promptly and swiftly against additional risks and threats," it said.

    Police fired tear gas to stop a group of 25-30 anti-war protesters, chanting "We don't want war" and "the Syrian people are our brothers", from approaching parliament as deputies debated the motion.

    In Istanbul, around 5,000 people joined an anti-war protest which turned into a demonstration against Turkey's ruling AK Party on Thursday evening.

    "The AKP wants war, the people want peace," the crowds chanted as riot police looked on. "No to war, peace right now."

    It was not clear who fired the mortar into Turkey, but security sources said it had come from near Tel Abyad and that Turkey was increasing the number of troops along its border.

    Syria said it was investigating the source of the mortar bomb and urged restraint. Information Minister Omran Zoabi said his country respected the sovereignty of neighboring countries.

    Russia said Damascus had vowed there would not be a repeat.

    "We think it is of fundamental importance for Damascus to state that officially," RIA Novosti news agency quoted Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as saying during a visit to Islamabad.

    CONDEMNATION

    Turkey's military response contrasted with its relative restraint when Syria shot down a Turkish reconnaissance jet in June. Ankara increased its military presence along its 900-km (560-mile) border with Syria and called a meeting of NATO's North Atlantic Council.

    At the time, Erdogan warned any Syrian element approaching Turkey's border and deemed a threat would be treated as a military target.

    World leaders condemned the mortar strike but urged restraint.

    British Foreign Secretary William Hague told Reuters the Turkish response was "understandable" but warned against an escalation, while EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton called on Syria to respect the territorial integrity of its neighbors.

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel condemned Syria's actions against Turkey and urged all involved to show "common sense".

    NATO said it stood by member-nation Turkey and urged Syria to put an end to "flagrant violations of international law."

    The U.S.-led Western military alliance held an urgent late night meeting in Brussels to discuss the matter and in New York, Turkey asked the U.N. Security Council to take the "necessary action" to stop Syrian aggression.

    Some 30,000 people have been killed across Syria, activists say, in a conflict with growing sectarian overtones which threatens to draw in regional Sunni Muslim and Shi'ite powers.

    Turkey is sheltering more than 90,000 refugees from Syria and fears a mass influx similar to the flight of half a million Iraqi Kurds into Turkey after the 1991 Gulf War.

    Violence inside Syria intensified on Wednesday with three suicide car bombs and a mortar barrage ripping through a government-controlled district of Aleppo housing a military officers' club, killing 48 people, according to activists.

    (Additional reporting by Seyhmus Cakan and Kadir Celikcan in Akcakale, Seda Sezer and Daren Butler in Istanbul, Dominic Evans in Beirut, Stephen Brown in Berlin, Nastassia Astrasheuskaya in Moscow, Krisztina Than in Budapest and Justyna Pawlak in Brussels; writing by Nick Tattersall; editing by Michael Roddy)

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    Seeing as the Syrian military is having a hard enough time against disorganized rebel forces, if Turkey enters the fray with their military, it's game over for the Assad regime.
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    The Turks have a pretty good military, but they do not want a war. I do think this might lead to an intensification of support for the FSA rebels as Turkey publicly decried the Russians flying in ammo and weapons to the Syrian Assad Army...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    .... the Russians flying in ammo and weapons to the Syrian Assad Army...
    That's what complicates the whole ball of wax right there.

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    The Russians are practicing a form of capitalism that we perfected?

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    December 3, 2012
    U.S. Warns Syria Against Using Chemical Weapons
    By PETER BAKER and MICHAEL R. GORDON

    WASHINGTON — President Obama warned Syria’s government on Monday that it would be “totally unacceptable” to use chemical weapons against its own people and vowed to hold accountable anyone who did, as American intelligence officials picked up signs that such arms might be deployed in the ongoing insurgency.

    The White House said that some recent actions by the government of President Bashar al-Assad were indicators that Syrian forces were preparing to use such weapons, following earlier reports that intelligence agencies had noticed signs of activity at chemical weapons sites. Mr. Obama’s spokesman said the administration had “an increased concern” of possible use of chemical weapons.

    In a speech later in the day that echoed earlier comments by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, Mr. Obama sternly asserted again that he would punish Syria for using chemical weapons, although he did not say how. The administration has been preparing contingency plans that include the dispatch of tens of thousands of troops to secure such weapons, although it is not clear whether Mr. Obama would go that far.

    “Today I want to make it absolutely clear to Assad and those under his command: The world is watching,” Mr. Obama said in a speech at the National Defense University in Washington. “The use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. If you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable.”

    During an earlier briefing at the White House, Jay Carney, the president’s press secretary, hinted at possible military action in response, although he declined to specify what options Mr. Obama would consider. “We think it is important to prepare for all scenarios,” Mr. Carney said. “Contingency planning is the responsible thing to do.”

    The president’s statements on Syria amplified similar warnings issued by Mrs. Clinton earlier in the day in Prague, the Czech capital, where she was stopping on her way to meetings in Brussels.

    “This is a red line for the United States,” Mrs. Clinton said, using the same language that the White House later would use. “I am not going to telegraph in any specifics what we would do in the event of credible evidence that the Assad regime has resorted to using chemical weapons against their own people. But suffice it to say we are certainly planning to take action if that eventuality were to occur.”

    There have been signs in recent days of heightened activity at some of Syria’s chemical weapons sites, according to American and Israeli officials familiar with intelligence reports. Mrs. Clinton did not confirm the intelligence reports or say what sort of activity was occurring.

    The Syrian Foreign Ministry, in a swift response, said the government “would not use chemical weapons, if it had them, against its own people under any circumstances.” The statement was reported on Syrian state television and on the Lebanese channel LBC.

    The crisis has been worsening in Syria, where about 40,000 people have been killed in 20 months of conflict that has also spilled into neighboring countries. The warning from the White House came as developments elsewhere suggested the political terrain could be shifting.

    The spokesman for Syria’s foreign ministry, Jihad Makdissi, was reported by the Hezbollah-run television station, Al Manar, as having been fired, although Lebanese news Web sites reported the departure as a defection. Mr. Makdissi, one of the highest ranking Christians to defect, had been one of the most accessible Syrian officials for foreign journalists. Al Manar reported that he was fired for making statements that did not reflect the government’s point of view, though it was unclear what those statements might have been.

    But in recent months he had not taken phone calls and had not made public statements, leading some to speculate that he had either fallen out of favor or had doubts about the government. A security source said Mr. Makdissi flew to London from Beirut on Monday morning with his family.

    “If he defected or didn’t defect, we don’t know,” Rami Abdulrahman, the director of the British based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which has a wide network of contacts in Syria, said.

    Mr. Abdulrahman, who uses a pseudonym for safety, said Mr. Makdissi had angered some in the Syrian government by saying Syria would use chemical weapons only against a foreign invasion and not its own people; however, the government does not acknowledge that it has such weapons. Mr. Abdulrahman also said that some figures had become irritated with Mr. Makdissi’s prominence.

    Also on Monday, government officials in Turkey held talks in Istanbul with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, centered on the Syrian crisis.

    Though he remained oblique in his statements at a joint news conference, Mr. Putin appeared to signal that Russia was easing away from its insistence in supporting Mr. Assad and that it was moving toward the position of Turkey and some other Western nations who have called for the Syrian leader to step aside.

    “Our positions regarding what’s happening in Syria and what should be done regarding its future are the same,” Mr. Putin said at a news conference. “We have different viewpoints about how to reach to that point, so during our talks new ideas came up, which we will work on in near future.”

    One senior Turkish official noted a definite shift in the Russian attitude toward Mr. Assad’s government. “There is definitely a softening of Russian political tone when they no longer insist on a resolution under the Assad rule,” said the official, who declined to be named, following diplomatic protocol. “We agreed on common premises that democracy should be structured in Syria through legitimate elections, but the question is how to come to that point, especially when Assad doesn’t seem to be willing to quit, which Putin also acknowledges.”

    In Syria, government warplanes launched airstrikes in rebel-held towns near the border with Turkey, including Ras al-Ayn. The Local Coordination Committees, an opposition group, said at least 10 people had been killed there.

    On Monday, the United Nations regional humanitarian coordinator for Syria, Radhouane Nouicer, said that they were pulling nonessential international staff out of the country because of the security situation, The Associated Press reported.

    Mrs. Clinton, who made her comments after meeting with Karel Schwarzenberg, the foreign minister of the Czech Republic, indicated that they had discussed the situation in Syria, including the potential chemical weapons threat. She later flew to Brussels for a NATO foreign ministers meeting.

    Mr. Schwarzenberg described the situation in Syria as “rather chaotic” and “highly dangerous.” He said that Czech troops who specialize in the detection of chemical weapons and decontamination were in Jordan training with forces there.

    An American task force has been deployed to Jordan and has been helping the Jordanians deal with an escalating humanitarian crisis centered on Syria, including an exodus of more than 200,000 refugees from Syria to Jordan. The force is also planning how to respond, if necessary, to any chemical weapons threat.

    Michael R. Gordon reported from Brussels. Reporting contributed by Anne Barnard from Beirut, Lebanon, and Sebnem Arsu from Istanbul.


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