So, The New VH Album Will Be Released NEXT Year...By COLUMBIA?

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  • chefcraig
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Apr 2004
    • 12172

    So, The New VH Album Will Be Released NEXT Year...By COLUMBIA?

    This brief mention came in one of those doofy little Google Updates. I get around 12 of them per day in my email, and they usually are redundant articles involving the tequila salesman, his underwhelming side project or what someone you never heard of thinks of David Lee Roth. So I nominally ignore them, but one sentence near the end of this one caught my eye.

    ...After spending its entire 35-year career at WB, Van Halen, with David Lee Roth back in the fold, recently completed work on its first album for new label Columbia, coming early next year…

    To provide some context for this, here is the full article:

    I.B. BAD FINDS HIMSELF BETWEEN ROCK & A HARD PLACE

    Rock May No Longer Be as Gigantic as It Once Was, but It Ain’t Dead Yet

    HitsDailyDouble.com

    September 16, 2011

    In an era that embraces divas, rappers and dance tracks, a number of the majors have moved away from rock. Concurrently, and perhaps not coincidentally, rock radio has also fallen on hard times, as evidenced by the recent demise of Q101, leaving only adult-leaving WXRT in Chicago, while New York and Cleveland now have no contemporary rock stations whatsoever—a situation that would have been incomprehensible in past decades. On the other hand, rock stations in Top 10 markets L.A., Philly, Boston, Detroit, Dallas and Houston are all extremely successful. But while guitar-based music is struggling in some areas, it’s absurd to say rock is dead at a time when the form contains such potent acts as U2, Coldplay, AC/DC, Kings of Leon, Muse, Foo Fighters, Dave Matthews Band, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Green Day, Linkin Park, Paramore, the Black Keys, Florence & the Machine, Thirty Seconds to Mars, MGMT, Death Cab for Cutie, Arcade Fire, Radiohead, Pearl Jam, Phoenix, Vampire Weekend and Mumford & Sons, each with its own loyal fan base. What’s different is that few rock singles get massive spins these days, though when they do, as with KOL’s “Use Somebody” and Mumford & Sons’ “Little Lion Man,” they sell big numbers of albums, with KOL’s Only by the Night selling 2.18m (without a hit, the following Come Around Sundown got to 657k) and Mumford’s Sigh No More now at 1.79k—achieving this impressive total with zero Top 40 spins. At this point in time, a rock album with sufficient sustained airplay can typically do between 600-900k, as with the Black Keys’ Brothers (832k), Florence & the Machine’s Lungs (780k) and Arcade Fire’s The Suburbs (680k). Currently carrying the rock banner at rock radio is Foster the People, whose “Pumped Up Kicks” has become one of 2011’s definitive hits, resulting in album sales on Torches of 275k to date, while RCA and Warner Bros. are presently attempting to cross the Foo Fighters and the Chili Peppers to pop. Be that as it may, some labels have opted to put rock on the back burner, deeming it too risky and expensive. One of the first to do so was Interscope, which has been hugely successful with the likes of Lady Gaga, Black Eyed Peas and Eminem, while parting ways with Beck, Weezer, Snow Patrol, Papa Roach and Nine Inch Nails during the last couple of years, and is now down to U2, No Doubt, Blink-182, All American Rejects and Rise Against. The irony here is that the company is led by Jimmy Iovine, who built his reputation working with Bruce Springsteen, Patti Smith and Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers. Now, Warner Bros., another label headed by a big-time rock producer in Rob Cavallo, while still entrenched in the rock business, would like to become a more well-rounded operation, in keeping with today’s mainstream. The label still has the Black Keys, Green Day, Muse, Linkin Park and the Chili Peppers, and though Metallica is out of contract, WBR is putting out the band’s collaborative LP with Lou Reed, despite the fact that it has little mainstream potential, based as it is on a pair of German Expressionist plays. While industry observers point to the reduction of Warner/Reprise promotion from two staffs to one under new overall department head Peter Gray as evidence of the label’s desire to become a more stylistically eclectic and competitive label, those in the know point out that this two-to-one move has been in the works for years. Lyor Cohen would have been done so long ago, they say, having concluded that WBR’s A&R staff wasn’t signing enough viable acts to warrant two departments, but he was thwarted by a clause in Tom Whalley’s contract stipulating such a structure—and this issue was believed to be one of the issues leading to their acrimonious relationship. All eyes are now on Gray as he reorganizes the company’s promotion team… The same can be said for Epic promotion—a clear-cut priority for newly installed label head L.A. Reid considering the radio-centric acts he signs—under newly hired leader Erik Olesen. He succeeds Jacqueline Saturn, who is staying at the label in an as yet unspecified role, making for an awkward situation… After spending its entire 35-year career at WB, Van Halen, with David Lee Roth back in the fold, recently completed work on its first album for new label Columbia, coming early next year… And though rock record revenues have diminished, the concert business, led by acts with multi-decade careers playing arenas and stadiums, has held steady and in some cases has actually increased. The same is true with high-profile festivals like Coachella, which has locked in No Doubt and Radiohead as two of next year’s headliners… Names in the rumor mill: Bernstein and Mensch, Bono, Dave Grohl , Ken Levitan, Ian Montone, Bob Rock and Brian Eno.










    “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
    ― Stephen Hawking
  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58754

    #2
    This can be seen as both good and bad news..... Bad news, being that we're probably looking at another 6-8 months. While it may seem kinda dumb to "sit" on an album that's done until (presumably) next spring, it could be arguably even more risky to release the record now, if they don't have any plans to tour until next summer. I remain convinced that the best scenario for this band is a spring album release, followed by a summer tour. I'm just not sure why it's taken 5 summers since the initial reunion to get to that scenario.

    As for Columbia as opposed to WB, this is the first I've heard of it, but if true, it might actually work out for the best. I've heard Columbia has a good reputation for promoting "legacy" artists, so they might go all out to sell this album, where WB might not have spent a dime on it (just like they didn't on VDIII, or that horrible compilation in 2004 with the three horrid Hagar turds on it.)

    Better yet, if Columbia makes money off Van Halen, WB is going to want to cash in on it, and that means we could finally get some of the "vault" audio & video released.
    Eat Us And Smile

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    • twonabomber
      formerly F A T
      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

      • Jan 2004
      • 11191

      #3
      hmmm. maybe Sony showed the most cash.
      Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.

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      • Seshmeister
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Oct 2003
        • 35160

        #4
        If Columbia had signed Van Halen why wouldn't they announce it?

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        • DLR Bridge
          ROCKSTAR

          • Mar 2011
          • 5470

          #5
          Oh my friggin' God already. I keep thinking of how Dave said in his book how brutally long it took to make 1984. Anyone here good at math? Hide Your Sheep tour ends in late '82 or early '83. Recording 1984 wraps up in...1983!!!! How is Dave containing himself through all of this? Man, that must be some gag order. (Cue the Pulp Fiction basement scene boys.)

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58754

            #6
            Well, in fairness, Dave hasn't been cranking out the records all that fast himself in the years since the original breakup. 1986..1988...1991...1994....1998.....2003 (and that one was almost all covers)

            Granted, there was the 2 Van HALEN songs in 1996, and at least an attempt at another VH record around 2000-01. And of course the sisters recording output is pretty much the same schedule, except they took 2003 off, and put out the three Hagar turds in 2004.

            So up until that point, you could have made the argument that both Dave & Ed got lazy without each other. But that excuse no longer applied as of 2007.
            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • DLR Bridge
              ROCKSTAR

              • Mar 2011
              • 5470

              #7
              I realize the current bass player had his own high school graduation to attend (can't believe that statement actually makes sense with regards to Van Halen) but, they really needed to strike while the iron was hot. There's no reason why there wasn't any new music released by '09 or '10. It pains me that they're being lapped by that other band. Sadly, their legacy means way more to us than it does to them. Dammit, we can't have good things!

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              • twonabomber
                formerly F A T
                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                • Jan 2004
                • 11191

                #8
                how are they being lapped? i hear no buzz about the next (you know who) disc, and when they tour they will be in far smaller rooms than VH (eventually) will play. Fatso is gonna run his mouth no matter what...i wouldn't be surprised to hear him say VH backed off because they didn't want to compete with (you know who). just because that fat fuck says something don't mean it's true...
                Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.

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                • BITEYOASS
                  ROTH ARMY ELITE
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 6529

                  #9
                  Originally posted by FORD
                  Well, in fairness, Dave hasn't been cranking out the records all that fast himself in the years since the original breakup. 1986..1988...1991...1994....1998.....2003 (and that one was almost all covers)

                  Granted, there was the 2 Van HALEN songs in 1996, and at least an attempt at another VH record around 2000-01. And of course the sisters recording output is pretty much the same schedule, except they took 2003 off, and put out the three Hagar turds in 2004.

                  So up until that point, you could have made the argument that both Dave & Ed got lazy without each other. But that excuse no longer applied as of 2007.
                  Well the reason for that was due to touring, changing record companies, finding a new guitarist, las vegas, writing an autobiography, having a radio show and dealing with the Van Liars back in 96.

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                  • DLR Bridge
                    ROCKSTAR

                    • Mar 2011
                    • 5470

                    #10
                    Originally posted by twonabomber
                    how are they being lapped? i hear no buzz about the next (you know who) disc, and when they tour they will be in far smaller rooms than VH (eventually) will play. Fatso is gonna run his mouth no matter what...i wouldn't be surprised to hear him say VH backed off because they didn't want to compete with (you know who). just because that fat fuck says something don't mean it's true...
                    Agreed. I just mean lapped in the sense of actually doing something. Both Poultry Toes CD's done and released since VH ended their tour. However bland or just bad the body of Sam's work has been since '96, He's done an aweful lot. We're discussing the obvious here, but if VH put out half of the volume of what he has done since then, aaahh you know what I mean. at this point, my interest in Ed Van Halen with David Lee Roth on record again is more about closure than seeing them continue with a new version of the band. I had hopes of seeing this incarnation pick up steam and run with it. Instead, as usual, they let the hot iron freeze. If it takes this long for them to do something, they're missing the boat...again. Boo.

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                    • TJMKID
                      Veteran
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 1533

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Seshmeister
                      If Columbia had signed Van Halen why wouldn't they announce it?

                      I agree 100%. If Columbia really did sign VH, then we would've already seen a press release about it.

                      Also consider the "Get Ready" message on DLR's site since July 2. I highly doubt he leaves that on there if the record or first single wont be released until spring 2012. That's a long time to "get ready".

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                      • VAiN
                        Use my hand, I won't look
                        ROCKSTAR

                        • Nov 2006
                        • 5056

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Seshmeister
                        If Columbia had signed Van Halen why wouldn't they announce it?
                        Good question... Maybe they're waiting to do an all-out whiz-bang announcement and record release at the same time?
                        Originally posted by wiseguy
                        That shit will welcome you in the morning and pour the milk in your count chocula for ya.

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                        • Terry
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 11953

                          #13
                          Wouldn't make much sense for Columbia to announce anything if a relase isn't immediately forthcoming, and although the business has changed over the years the best promotion for a new album release is still a tour. So if there isn't a tour planned until next year, at this point it makes just as much sense to hold the album back.

                          I do find it amazing that Warner Brothers hasn't put something out already, even without consent from the band...who knows? Too many contractual particulars I'm not aware of, and even if said info was available it's secondary to my end of it all as a fan / customer: if there's something put out, I can buy it. If there isn't, understanding the reasons why this is so won't produce anything for me to listen to or watch.
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                          • sadaist
                            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 11625

                            #14
                            Originally posted by twonabomber
                            how are they being lapped? i hear no buzz about the next (you know who) disc

                            My older brother hit 48 in June. Always been a VH fan & Sammy Hagar fan. I took him to the 2007 reunion. We saw the Sam & Dave tour. He took me to see Sammy in San Francisco. We saw Sammy solo a couple other times as well. So the other day we are both out in his driveway after a day of work while he is unloading his truck. I start mentioning what we know so far about VH and what the current best bet rumors are......then....


                            I ask if he had heard the new Chickenfoot album (I have not. Nor did I ever hear the first one save but 2 youtube videos). He asks who's Chickenfoot? HAHAHA!

                            So there I am explaining how the foot is Sammys "supergroup". Satch, Michael Anthony, Sammy, and the drummer from the Peppers (poor Chad. zero name recognition). So after I explain he seems mildly interested....very mildly. "Oh, I dig the Peppers" was his only substantial comment. Yeah bro, we all dig the Peppers.

                            So there you have it in a nutshell. Even Sammys casual fans which constitute the majority of his listening base have no clue wtf a chickenfoot is. My point is, if you make an album and no one in the forest listens to it.....did you truly ever really make an album?
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                            • VAiN
                              Use my hand, I won't look
                              ROCKSTAR

                              • Nov 2006
                              • 5056

                              #15
                              Originally posted by sadaist
                              I ask if he had heard the new Chickenfoot album (I have not. Nor did I ever hear the first one save but 2 youtube videos). He asks who's Chickenfoot? HAHAHA!

                              So there I am explaining how the foot is Sammys "supergroup". Satch, Michael Anthony, Sammy, and the drummer from the Peppers (poor Chad. zero name recognition). So after I explain he seems mildly interested....very mildly. "Oh, I dig the Peppers" was his only substantial comment. Yeah bro, we all dig the Peppers.
                              This is classic!! Bravo, sir!
                              Originally posted by wiseguy
                              That shit will welcome you in the morning and pour the milk in your count chocula for ya.

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