Ralph Peters calls Obama "a total pussy" on live television.

[DONNIEP]

Fucking skinny ass little sissy. I bet he wears a onesie to bed.

[Seshmeister]

Muslims Helped Elect George W. Bush. Now the GOP Front-Runner Wants to Ban Them.

Without Muslim voters, George W. Bush may well have never become president.

That's right: Propelled to the White House by a 537-vote margin over Vice President Al Gore in Florida, then-Texas Gov. Bush trounced Gore among Muslim voters in the state; up to 90% of Florida's 60,000 Muslim voters backed Bush. Nationally, according to an unscientific exit poll conducted by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Bush bested Gore with 78% of the Muslim vote, seemingly heralding what Middle East Quarterly in 2001 called "a marked shift to the Republicans."

From the vantage of the 2016 presidential race, such figures would seem to be emanating from a parallel universe. With Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump advocating a "total and complete ban" on Muslims coming into the United States — after embracing a registry of every Muslim in the country and proposals from fellow GOP candidates Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Jeb Bush to allow only Christian refugees from the Middle East to come to the U.S. — GOP relations with the Muslim community are at an historically low ebb.

It remains to be seen whether Trump's draconian new proposal will mark the moment his campaign began its ultimate descent or if his latest appeal to base fears will only boost his standing in the polls. If past is prologue, it's likely to be the latter.

This much is clear: The political landscape surrounding Islam has been drastically reshaped since the dawn of the new millennium, with far-reaching consequences.

Well before the the boastful billionaire leading the GOP polls stoked a new wave of anti-Muslim sentiment, Muslims soured on the party. A 2011 Pew Research Center survey found that only 11% of American Muslims identified with the Republican Party, compared with 70% who considered themselves Democrats and 19% who were independent.

Winning the Muslim vote: Bush's victory in 2000 proved to be the modern apex of Muslim support for the GOP. While his administration's policies would soon prompt Muslims to flee the party in droves, Bush's Republican Party seemed a natural fit for many Muslims at the turn of the century.

For starters, the GOP's fundamental conservatism on hot-button cultural issues like abortion and gay rights matched the views of many Muslim voters.

"Islam is a relatively conservative religion," Karam Dana, director of the American Muslim Research Institute and an assistant professor of Middle East politics at the University of Washington-Bothell, told Mic. At the turn of the century, Muslim voters "found the socially conservative agenda within the Republican Party to be salient in terms of how they view themselves."

More at http://mic.com/articles/130019/musli...ts-to-ban-them

[DONNIEP]

Sesh - that's bullshit and you know it. Ford has told us a million times that Bush didn't win that election. It was all manipulated voting machines and some guy named Chad.

Really, you need to keep up with the truth being posted on your site

[Seshmeister]

The election came down to a point where the vote count had a bigger +/- error in counting than the difference between the sides. At that point the Bush family was able to steal it. There should have been a second vote, especially since in the US you have a few months before the new guy starts.

The argument in the article would be that without the muslims he couldn't have got close enough to get into that +/- error zone. I'm not sure about that but it's a thought.

Looks like the Republicans have long since lost the muslim vote anyhow. If a vote comes down to turning a blind eye to your superstition based homophobia and being actively persecuted it's a bit of a no brainer.

[WARF]

Sesh - that's bullshit and you know it. Ford has told us a million times that Bush didn't win that election. It was all manipulated voting machines and some guy named Chad.

Really, you need to keep up with the truth being posted on your site

My favorite thing about the infamous "butterfly ballot" was that all the Jewish people in South Florida voted for Pat Buchannan !

[DONNIEP]

Sesh - gay people have all the rights they could ever want here now. Your argument about homophobia makes about as much sense as Michelle Ubama bitching about being oppressed. The fucking cunt lives in the White House. And she's married to the president of the United States. How's about this - can I get me some of that oppression?? Cause I really, really want to live in the White House.


And the Bush family didn't steal shit. If you owned the voting machines, would you leave it up to a handful of votes?

[Seshmeister]

I don't think there was a mass stealing of votes, there is plenty of gerrymandering but maybe that cancels out while you have your ludicrous 2 party money based voting system both at it.

What was wrong was that when the vote got literally too close to count there should have been another vote.

[Seshmeister]

Although as I said at the time having a $30 million voting booth system based in MS Access was beyond ludicrous.

As with most of these things though I suspect money grabbing and incompetance rather than mass conspiracy.

[DONNIEP]

There was NO stealing of votes. Dude - if the Bushes could manipulate the votes it wouldn't have been drawn out so long. Lemme tell you how this works in the real world - you manipulate the machines enough so that you don't have to worry about where Chad is hanging. Then you kill everybody involved in the conspiracy. That's how it works in the real world. You hear even ONE programmer come down with a case of conscience? Nope. You hear about a rash of Diebold programmers dying off suspiciously? Nope. And that's because it didn't happen. The ONLY way to carry out that kind of conspiracy is to kill off a shit ton of people.

[DONNIEP]

Seriously, I can tell you people exactly how to steal an election. Anybody that thinks the people involved will keep their mouths shut is a retard. You have to kill everybody involved. Just like the WTC. You'd have to kill off so many people it's unreal. And it works in a third world country. But not here.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

As retired military, Peters is entitled to say whatever the fuck he wants

Oh OK, cool, thanks for the heads up, Donnie....

[FORD]

The election came down to a point where the vote count had a bigger +/- error in counting than the difference between the sides. At that point the Bush family was able to steal it. There should have been a second vote, especially since in the US you have a few months before the new guy starts.

The argument in the article would be that without the muslims he couldn't have got close enough to get into that +/- error zone. I'm not sure about that but it's a thought.

Looks like the Republicans have long since lost the muslim vote anyhow. If a vote comes down to turning a blind eye to your superstition based homophobia and being actively persecuted it's a bit of a no brainer.

Is there really a large Muslim vote in Florida though? Would they want to live there, given that Florida has about as many Jews as Israel does. Perhaps WARF or Jerksmear can comment here, but I never read anything to indicate a significant Muslim population in that state. Outside of Mohammed Atta and his pals who lived there long enough to take flight training at the CIA affiliated flight school in Sarasota, of course.

[DONNIEP]

Oh OK, cool, thanks for the heads up, Donnie....

I'm gonna assume you're saying he's not, right?

[FORD]

There was NO stealing of votes. Dude - if the Bushes could manipulate the votes it wouldn't have been drawn out so long. Lemme tell you how this works in the real world - you manipulate the machines enough so that you don't have to worry about where Chad is hanging. Then you kill everybody involved in the conspiracy. That's how it works in the real world. You hear even ONE programmer come down with a case of conscience? Nope. You hear about a rash of Diebold programmers dying off suspiciously? Nope. And that's because it didn't happen. The ONLY way to carry out that kind of conspiracy is to kill off a shit ton of people.

Well, the BCE did kill the guy who rigged Ohio for them in 2004. The usual "tampering with the small airplane" routine. Same drill they used to take out Salem Bin Laden before he could be compelled to testify about his financial dealings with the BCE when Poppy was under investigation for his Iran-Contra scams, and right before he ran for his "official" term as President.

[DONNIEP]

Is there really a large Muslim vote in Florida though? Would they want to live there, given that Florida has about as many Jews as Israel does. Perhaps WARF or Jerksmear can comment here, but I never read anything to indicate a significant Muslim population in that state. Outside of Mohammed Atta and his pals who lived there long enough to take flight training at the CIA affiliated flight school in Sarasota, of course.

Have you ever been to Disney World? I went 8 years in a row, from 2004 to 2012. There was no shortage of apparent Muslim families there. I say apparently Muslim because I can't keep up with all the different religions. All I know is I saw lots of dads with awesome tans and little boys running around and they were all dressed like most Americans. And then you'd see the mothers wearing head to toe black drapes and the little girls wearing head scarves. Not that I'm against that - these chicks were in America so I can only assume they dig wearing that kind of garb. In 98 degree weather. With 95% humidity. And they are the ones exclusively pushing the strollers. But I'm probably making that up too, right?