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Brian Young came from the Atomic Punks. They always played the songs fairly close to the album version, because that's how tribute bands did it. Given the compressed set time of a "dual headliner" tour (as it was in 2002) that leaves less time to play around with song length. It was different when they toured in 2003. They had time to expand some of the songs.
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Maybe Dave is more enlightened than I'm giving him credit for, but I just don't see him agreeing to any sort of dual lead singer tour. What's his motivation? Acknowledging his mortality? Money? A little zen headed his way? A Buddhist riff in his inner ear? Hell, I could be totally wrong, but I just have a hard time seeing it.
Now if Dave really wanted to be different, he should grab John 5, Mike Anthony, [insert some drummer here] and go do shows with that lineup. That I'd pay to see. Some dual lead singer crap with Hagar? Yeah, I'll pass.Comment
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I particularly enjoyed the part where Sammy licked his fingers after informing the audience that "the real thing is pudcake": that certainly got my vagina moist.
I'd say Vic did...okay. Clearly, he isn't going to win "best replication of Eddie guitar parts" in the Van Hagar Tribute Band contest. However, he got the essence of the licks in that song down to where it was...I dunno, adequate?
The rest of it was...decent, I suppose. Hagar's voice seemed a little weak, but it sounded in key when I recall the recorded version, although the guitar did sound like it was tuned down somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 a step from the original recording.Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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The problem for Hagar in that co-tour scenario, I'd imagine, is that there would probably be far more people in the audience who 1) prefer the Roth era over the Hagar era and 2) like both eras than there will be 3) people who only liked the Hagar era and totally hate what Van Halen did before Hagar joined. Sort of an extension of Hagar's reported objections when BOV1 was being put together and the possibility of two separate disc releases - one all Hagar, one all Roth - was being proposed: Hagar didn't want a Roth disc to outsell his.
Because for all of Hagar's inflated bluster in interviews over the years - Van Hagar had more #1 albums and more top #40 charting singles - the overall impartial sales stats don't jibe with Hagar's version of reality.
A Roth / Hagar co-vocal VH tour would eliminate the need for an opening act, assuming each singer gets an hour onstage with the band.
The idea of doing alternating CVH/Sam Halen tunes throughout the evening is a bad one, but probably the only way to ensure substantial chunks of the audience won't be using a Hagar set to go take a piss or get a beer.
The real draw for such an evening would be seeing CVH onstage.
As to the rest, I mean, Roth's voice is fairly well shot, and an hour set would probably be better for Dave than an upwards of two hour set. Nobody really needs to have a Roth/Hagar co-tour with alternating eras song-for-song to demonstrate how Roth's voice has deteriorated, because that has been all too evident. Frankly, Hagar's voice isn't exactly what it was, either.Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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I will say I could as easily see Roth saying no to the idea as I could seeing him agreeing to it.
I mean, Roth has always been forthright as to how he sees the version of Van Halen he was in as the only one that ever mattered. Yet, Roth was still willing in 2002 to do a co-headlining tour with Hagar when he was trying to ignite some interest in his solo career and play larger venues again as a headliner, rather than as an opening act for Bad Company.
For years, Roth said he would only do a reunion tour with Van Halen if all four CVH members were there, yet he compromised on that stipulation when push came to shove.
I personally like the idea of Dave doing solo shows in smaller venues with John 5 or whoever. One of the best Roth solo shows I saw was in 2006 at such a venue. I can't imagine the asking price and guarantees/fees he commands on those types of shows are nearly as high as what he commands fronting Van Halen, so he probably has to do more of those small shows to make a fraction of the profit. I'm sure a lot of diehard Roth fans would like to see Dave do smaller theaters, and would be willing to check out what Dave was doing regardless of Van Halen being onstage with him or not. The problem is, exactly how many of those diehard Roth fans are there even left? Enough to even mount a solo tour?
I'd tend to guess the general concert ticket buying public could really not care less what Roth is up to if he isn't fronting Van Halen. Never mind if Dave needs the money or not: do you want to wind down your career fronting Van Halen, headlining in front of 15,000 + people a night, or fronting The Diamond David Lee Roth Experience featuring John 5 and Special Guest Bassist Mike Anthony and being in the middle of the bill at a State Fair?
If it is the former, much like in 2002 maybe yet another compromise with Hagar is the price of doing big time business at this stage of Dave's career.
It's all down to whatever Eddie Van Halen wants to do in the end, anyway.Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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I quite like the idea of them alternating.
Ideally they should have Roth and the band come out, do a few songs and then leave the stage. Then Hagar comes on dressed in a clown outfit and reads a page from his fictional autobiography concentrating on bits about Eddie being a fruitcake or how he was a massive act solo.
He then goes off and the band come on and do another four or five songs.
We could have that repeat for the whole set so that by the time Hagar comes out the 4th time it will really build up an atmosphere...Comment
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Like, Roth and the boys slam out several CVH tunes, then Sammy comes out and gives a monologue about how HIS version of Van Halen was so much better than what the audience just heard. Then Roth and Co. come out and bang out a few more tunes, then Sammy comes back out and yells, "Hey, man! Don't believe that jive you just heard: I was filling stadiums as a solo artist - I headlined the US Festival in 1983, remember?! - and Van Halen were only kinda successful before I hooked up with them!" Then Dave and the Van Halens come out for a few more tunes, then Sammy walks out and says, "Hey, now it's 5150 time!! Remember how Van Halen sold 100 million records when I was in the band?"
It's a good strategy, actually: gives Roth and the band time to rest up, and gives Sammy a chance to come out and do what he really wants to do anyway, while sparing the audience from having to hear Sam Halen's keyboard pop-rock schmaltz.
During intermission, Sammy can entertain the audience by providing a cappella versions of his best-known Van Hagar tunes...or perhaps just a dramatic spoken word presentation of his timeless, thoughtful rock lyrics. Just the thought of Hagar up there onstage, alone, warbling out "When It's Love" gives me goose bumps...or more like a mild case of nauseous diarrhea.Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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Can someone please take down that laughable bullshit untrue story on the main page. SAD ! This is what's it's become around here ? Predicting Van Hagar reunions ? This guy hasn't even been in contact with the Van Halen brothers. You can tell by his sad desperation bringing up this shitty pathetic duel lead singer idea. He knows the 40th anniversary is coming up and wants in. BAD ! That means he's NOT in. Neither is Mike. So why say he is ? Sources ? What sources ? Hagar ? His manager ? The guy that runs the news desk ? Please.......Comment
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Sammy has been putting that "it's inevitable me and Van Halen will reunite again" nonsense in interviews for about 7 years now. A couple years after his tell-all book was released. Like, if it's so inevitable, he wouldn't even need to mention it once - much less dozens of times - because it would happen anyway regardless.
Hagar basically has to make it publicly known in interviews that he would work with Eddie Van Halen again and publicly offer up scenarios as to how Hagar and Roth could simultaneously tour with the band because obviously [Hagar] can't simply contact Eddie and tell him that privately, because Hagar and Eddie simply haven't even as much as spoken since 2004.
I mean, I don't even think Eddie cares enough about Hagar to even be bothered about any of it. Basically, Hagar and Eddie didn't speak from 1996 to 2003. The recording of BOBW, the rehearsals for the 2004 and the tour itself were a fiasco in terms of Hagar and Eddie getting along. And they haven't spoken since outside of what...exchanging birthday greetings once via public internet messaging?
Doubtless Hagar would like to do at least one more tour with Van Halen. I mean, I can't blame the guy: that 2004 tour was a disaster. I wouldn't want that to be the last thing I did with the group if I were fronting them, either. And I'll bet it sticks in Hagar's craw that Eddie and Roth finally got back together and have done a few tours over the last decade, in that the return of Roth threatens to further negate Hagar's contributions to the band. Being in Van Halen was THE highwater mark of Hagar's entire career, and the fact that the Roth years outsold his...that no matter how hard Hagar tries to persuade the general public otherwise, David Lee Roth - whatever he has been reduced to now - was THE definitive lead singer in Van Halen in the minds of the majority of the general public...you just now no matter how sanguine Hagar tries to pretend his is about all of that, deep down I'd be willing to wager it irks Hagar that a guy like Roth who Hagar clearly thinks he is better than in every way has relegated Hagar forever to "the first guy who joined Van Halen after Roth left in 1985" status.
Sammy should look at it THIS way: at least his name isn't Gary Cherone.
At least there is one lead singer who was in Van Halen that Hagar can point to and say "my time in the band was way more successful than HIS!"
Too bad for Hagar that guy isn't David Lee Roth, but whatever. Have a Red Rockin' Mas Cabo Wabo Tequila shot, go onstage with Biff Malibu and bang out Pudcake for the club punters. Just be happy you are still able to charge people to watch you sing for your supper, and don't worry so much about touring with Van Halen. If it happens, it happens.Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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