Do you listen to Kip Winger every night because he is from Denver?Originally Posted by Kristy
Do you listen to Kip Winger every night because he is from Denver?
Dave Grohl is a skilled ass kisser. He makes it look like he’s truly interested in people in a cute fan like way. He’s very good at stroking egos. It’s worked out well for him.
No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!
He's no Pierce Brosnan. Or even George Lazenby
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But he shouldn't be willing to sacrifice ADKOT because Wolfhead is on it.
He could have said "No way" to a new album when they tried to do it if he was so concerned about his old fat bass player as opposed to his new fat bass player.
He's sacrificing Ed's last finished work along with it.
Most people actually like the album just for that alone.
And the much maligned Tokyo Dome has about 15,000,000 streams all told on Spotify.
That's another 10,000 sales.
Maybe Dave is jealous that some Wolf tracks will soon be surpassing his solo stuff in streams and even some VH stuff.
Believe it or not.
But its not only Dave who thinks this way about ADKOT. Its Alex as well.
They both don't feel its worth it to get it back on streaming platforms - as is - at this time.
That doesn't negate any future agreement that would see it back though.
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Also there seems to be deeper issues at play here.
There is the VH camp which is Dave and Alex. And then there is the Wolf Camp which is Fatty, his Uncle Manager and his Mom.
Its basically VH vs Bertinelli Inc.
Alex has controlling interest to all things "Van Halen" and has final say with releases etc - Dave would I think have say on material he was a part of. But clearly ends with Alex.
Wolf appears to have control over stuff sitting at 5150. How much say Alex has over that is not clear.
Bertinelli Inc is interested 100% in furthering Wolf's career so anything 'Van Halen' related they see as detriment to that goal.
Alex has to deal with Bertinelli Inc. who most likely come back and say what they dont want released vs what they see as ok (Van Hagar remasters).
Now Bertinelli Inc don't have final say but they probably complain enough to Alex who then simply wants to keep peace within both camps.
This relationship most likely frustrates Dave and Al as well. So that's where ADKOT comes into play and the reason why they arent quick to renegotiate a new deal for the album to be re-released and back on streaming platforms.
I love A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRUTH. I waited decades for that album. It was great to finally have songs like PUT OUT THE LIGHTS, BIG TROUBLE, LET'S GET ROCKIN', SHE'S THE WOMAN, DOWN IN FLAMES, BULLETHEAD, etc. in new studio versions. I loved CHINA TOWN, BLOOD & FIRE and other songs too. It's a pretty amazing album. There were a few songs that didn't jump out to me right away (AS IS, HONEYBABYSWEETIEDOLL, THE TROUBLE WITH NEVER) and even those I like a lot.
I still listen to that album pretty regularly.
I'm not crazy about the production...but the thing rocks. Tell you this: it is the best VH album since 1984 (not that that's saying a lot) and the world is a better place for its existence.
I wish we got a follow-up. Eddie wanted to do one...and from everything I've read, it was Dave dragging his feet about that.
Lots of fans bitch about TOKYO DOME...but I fucking like it. I have something like 15-20 Blu-Rays of fan-made multi-cam, 1080p reunion shows with Dave...and I've watched almost all of them, some of them more than once. TOKYO DOME is no better and no worse than those shows...actually...TOKYO DOME is not as good as some of the 2012 shows I have. But it's worth having. They could have picked a better show...but it's still worth having.
If TOKYO DOME were a multi-track mixed show that leaked...or if it were some radio-recorded concert...some live-stream...fans would be creaming themselves about it.
The first two people I heard who bitched about TOKYO DOME were: 1) Sammy Hagar; 2) Eddie Trunk. And I'm fucked if I ever put any stock in their opinions. TOKYO DOME is a professionally-recorded/professionally-mixed concert with Eddie Van Halen, Alex Van Halen & Diamond David Lee Roth. I'll be fucked before I apologize to people for loving listening to it. The AIN'T TALKIN' 'BOUT LOVE on that sucker is pretty amazing...nice jam and improvisations on that track. CHINA TOWN is pretty outta-sight on that album too.
The band's drum tech stated pretty recently that one of the reunion band's Madison Square Garden shows was not only recorded on multi-track but also filmed with multiple cameras in HD for a possible DVD/Blu-Ray release. I'd LOVE it if that got released...
...even if Wolfgang is on it. I didn't hate Wolfgang then...but I'm really starting to hate him now.
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Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.
It’s so funny reading all of the Ultimate Rock type of garbage FB pages trying to report on this. The essence of Dave’s video bits can’t be reported on in a few printed quotes. And of course, the comments sections are even better, with whiners thinking Dave meant Mammoth WVH was dead on arrival because they didn’t read the stupid article.
A sentiment universally shared in this particular group, I’m sure.
David Lee Roth will be remembered decades from now. Wolfie Van Halen and Sammy Hagar will not. Dave already has the legacy and if it ain’t Eddie Van Halen, Alex Van Halen, Michael Anthony and David Lee Roth it’s not worth selling to the public as a Van Halen product. Dave is protecting the Van Halen legacy. It’s more than just Eddie Van Halen. It’s the integrity of the whole classic unit.
I think Dave and Alex are in agreement. The only good thing ADKT did was get a cleaned up Eddie Van Halen back in the public eye. Ed went out with some dignity instead of dying as a freak. Ed had one good last run.
Low IQ people don’t get Dave. It all goes over their heads. Dave is excentric but he’s niether stupid or crazy. In fact he’s a guy who lives life on his own terms. Something the snowflakes most our society is composed of are scared to death to do.
So is anyone craving another album of Wolfie singing about standing up, not backing down and I miss daddy! to hard power chords and heavy handed drumming separated by light strumming? Rinse wash repeat.
You left out blame casting. Another running theme.
I think Bertinelli Inc. Is pretty accurate. Patrick Bertinelli is Wolf’s manager. Also I lived in Park City, Utah where Vallerie’s brother was living in a home Val and Eddie owned there. Val’s brother was a ski instructor living in their house. Basically a ski bum. He told me he used to crash on Ed and Val’s couch instead of going home which was his parent’s house. I’m thinking what a bum. When Dave said both him and Ed couldn’t stand Val’s brothers or parents I just laughed.
After Ed’s death Val is sounding like she was his widow. He was mine! Val says. Fruitcake on display. Ed told Steve Rosen Val was very controlling. All I know is Ed went from a burned out wreck to being a human being again marrying another woman.
The Bertinelli’s to me seem very self-centered, very low IQ and thuggish. So camp Bertinelli would be deffinately something you would want to target with a flame thrower and Dave has done that.
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If Dave and Ed hated Val’s family chances are good Al does too. Since Wolf inherits what Janie didn’t get he’s the guy to leach from. What would just everything at 5150 go for at auction? Plus your last name is a brand. Wolf is the favorite nephew.
Anyways how much longer the Hagar/Bertinelli fag dance will go on is hard to say. Even Mike was making soft jabs at Hagar in a recent interview. He seems a bit worn down by all of Sammy’s product promotion and luxury lifestyle.
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Dave wrote all the lyrics. He has publishing credits. Now how that is shared with the rest of the band I don’t know. But the music industry considers lyrics a key song component. Dave should have a lot of pull on anything he’s on. Wolfie was just the bass player.
Dave made the point you don’t stay at the top long. Most of the career is ascending or descending. He’s pointing at the flag he planted on Mount Everest and said Wolfie was never there and neither was Sammy Hagar.
I was talking to someone who runs marathons all over the country and they ran a marathon in LA and one of the top finishers was Aric Van Halen. She says he was super nice so not all the Van Halen offspring are fat pricks.
Jesus wasn’t the only skilled parable teller. Dave Roth ain’t shabby either. Only those with the will to see, see. Don’t throw your pearls before swine.
Aric most likely has nothing in common with his cousin Wolf.
One runs marathons the other is a fat slob.
So what have we learned in the Roth school of parables? Eddie Van Halen was a true rock and roll guitar God who was stuck in a bad marriage with in-laws he couldn’t stand. Things didn’t get better until Ed made a desperate escape in a golf cart down Howdy Doody Mountain to the Sportsman’s Lodge. Ed got organized back to greatness by a porn industry publicist who he married. Everything was great until Ed’s calculating prick son ruined it. The prick son has made a deal with the devil and will be consumed.
I have too much to catch up on in this thread. Please clear up for me, someone, that it was Wolf's second album DLR referred to as being DOA and curb stomped or whatever. I see people online saying he's referring to ADKOT. I don't feel like DLR would refer to ADKOT as being DOA.
Lot’s of debate over what album it was. Most likely the first Mammoth WVH album. Anyways you have to have a ton of streams to make any money. Of course a label will give Wolf an advance because he has money. They know they can squeeze some dough out of his fat ass.
The dickheads at Ultimate Classic Rock are saying in a podcast that DLR was referring to VH albums: https://fb.watch/q3LW1svptY/
A few Cheeseheads at the Links are talking about how excited they are about this summer's "Van Halen" tour. (In fairness, plenty of fans there are also shitting on this idea. Brett hates Wolfgang too and can see through a lot of the bullshit that's going on.)
The Cheeseheads in questions are trying to act like this tour is going to be HUGE...like The Stones or a Beatles reunion tour.
For Fuck's sakes, it's the same musicians Sammy plays with on his pathetic solo tours but marketed as a "Van Halen" tour.
I will simply say this about the upcoming tour:
. It is seen by much of the fanbase as having the same legitimacy as having Michael Anthony & Sammy Hagar being the only members to accept Van Halen's award at the Rock and Roll Hall of Shame. Now THAT is sad.
. The upcoming tour has NONE of the band members that were in Van Halen during the last 14 years of the band's existence.
. The upcoming tour has NONE of the band members that were in Van Halen during their last three major tours.
This whole crock of hog shit is just Sammy Hagar trying to act like he's suddenly on "the inside." Lord knows, he doesn't need more money, but he's a greedy fuck.
Alex Van Halen wants no part of it. He has no love for Sammy...he'll never forgive the fat red rocker for writing all that shit about his brother in his stupid book.
I listened to a whole TWO MINUTES of this "line-up" on Howard Stern a few months ago. I'm really not saying this because I'm biased: IT SOUNDED LIKE SHIT. Satriani can't even sound LIKE Eddie and he couldn't even cop all of his parts in fucking WHY CAN'T THIS BE LOVE.
It's a joke. If Cabo Wabo-drinking alcoholics want to waste their money on something so pathetic (during which they're not just playing Van Halen songs but also Chickenfoot and Sammy solo songs), let them keep the machine going. But real VH fans are staying home.
Fuck that shit. Van Halen was Dave and the Van Halen brothers. And Mikey...but he sold his soul to Hagar decades ago.
What’s the whole line about Dave and Alex not wanting to pay lawyers fees about? Is he not referring to the lapsing streaming agreement on the two releases that just so happened to include the hoodied wonder?
This is right. Dave has probably read more books in one week than they have in their entire lifetimes. And they spent 50 years drenching their brains in booze to his songs, so by now they really have no critical thinking. And Dave has class so he never trashed the fans who say stupid shit like that because they paid money for his work.
I usually don’t like to do this, but you can make a clear distinction amongst the Van Halen alumni by who are the serious artists and who are the sellouts by looking at weight.
Dave, Al and Ed (until the very end) all stayed pretty lean for the most part. The only times Ed was a bit chubby was deep in the Hagar years without Roth. This shows they were living and breathing the music. The artform was a part of their lives, in fact, it WAS their lives. They didn’t just use Van Halen as a means to get money or fame or to have your name on a tequila bottle.
Sam, Mike, and Wolf all got fat. I guess it took Sam and Mike a few years to get there so you gotta give them that. These guys don’t really hold Van Halen near and dear they only liked it so much as it could provide them as many cookie platters as they wanted. Most people don’t understand this even though it’s right in front of them because they listen to Dave joking in an interview and they think, “he has such a huge ego! He was always the problem!!” And they listen to Sammy saying he’s gonna make you a margarita and think “now THIS GUY is a class act. He’s such a cool guy!”
They just don’t get it. I think socially retarded is the optimal definition
Kinda. I think Sam and Mike got rich guy fat. Wolf is more of the big boned fat that can be worked off with diet and exercise, but it definitely comes with harder work than lean body types like his Dad and Dave. Wolf reminds me a little bit of Matthew Sweet. That guy was built like ADKOT era Wolf in the mid 90’s. Now he’s a big beefy dude like present day Wolf.
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Could be. It was Wolf’s idea to get Dave back and how much he was a leader on The Different Kind of Truth album who knows.
I think the smart entertainers stay in shape and guard their public image. I have no respect for fat entertainers and even less respect for people treating social media like a psychiatrist and breaking down in a public forum. It’s so pathetic.
This words it like it was a bit of both. From one of those Facebook pages…
DAVID LEE ROTH is using ALEX VAN HALEN to INSULT Eddie's son Wolfgang.
Roth said Wolfgang Van Halen's new album was 'DOA' and 'a complete faceplant' in a new video. He said Van Halen's last album A Different Kind of Truth isn't streaming due to legal issues, where Alex backs him in not wanting to pay lawyers.
"Do you remember Leon Spinks? How about Larry Holmes or Trevor Berbick?" a mock therapist asks "Wolfgang" in Roth's YouTube video. "Well, these were the last couple of Muhammad Ali's fights, and nobody wants to remember them because they were no fun… And your albums with Van Halen are a lot like those last two fights."
Dave Grohl created the rock star media whore and the enterprise of rock star media whoring. An average drummer with way overrated credentials making a shit load of money of his former band mates deaths and marketing them for commercial arenas that he would never sell out with the Foo Foo Fighters alone. Think about that. Two of his best band mates - in terms of making money - killed themselves for their own brooding drug addictions and Grohl made millions of of them. Now that can be considered genius but under both circumstances it's just fucking sick.
Grohl is the definition of a asshole riding on the coattails of others talents for personal gain. His own music I find to be unlistenable and recycled. And if what Roth says about the F A T Wolf Boy are true in terms of owing a shit fuck boat fuck ton of money to his record label I have no doubt he'll drop this Mammoth nonsense and come crawling to Grohl on his knees with mouth fully open wanting to be the "Little F A T Eddie" tool playing his father's riffs for...money.
Grohl and Nirvana were shit. Cobain was a fuck monkey junkie that no one at the time gave two fucks about. They were a limp-wristed Husker Du wannabe band with a uber rich boy producer on a label that exploited the living shit out of them. They were lucky. Total shit but they were lucky and Grohl wants to suck on that tit and get as much mileage as he can. It'll all run out for him someday.
If Dave actually cared about the "legacy" he would never have quit in the first place.
It was one of the dumbest moves in rock history.
If he cared about legacy, he wouldn't have acted like a drunken fool or coke head and sung like a beached whale for half the 2015 concerts, the Vegas fiasco and the Kiss tour, not to mention those recent corporate gigs.
A lot of people like ADKOT, even Tokyo Dome has about 15,000,000 track streams believe it or not.
If they want to piss some money away from streams because of a power struggle for the Vh catalog, that's on them.
Which Dave will be remembered?
The drunken sailor of the last 10 years or the idiot Dave that quit the group at its peak?
He acts like he's relevant, but he isn't.
I see the Sammy Hagar fan base is here.
I think we all know the 1985 breakup was a lot more than just Dave "quitting".
And I emphasize breakup - considering that is firmly what it was. Whether or not Dave really 'quit'.
I sincerely love your posts. They're so full of passionate anger...just SO ANGRY...it puts a smile on my face. Sometimes I don't even know what you're angry about and it's still entertaining. (This is one of many posts, however, with which I agree with much of your anger...though not everything you say, necessarily).
OK, on this front, I have to say, "Hell, no." If Grohl has anything, it's drum talent. He is a fucking good drummer. I play drums. I know a damn good drummer when I hear/see one...and he's fucking good. Too bad he doesn't just stay behind his kit.
I was 10 feet away from Grohl seeing THEM CROOKED VULTURES. I love John Paul Jones and I'm a big QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE fan...and THEM CROOKED VULTURES was a fucking great show. Grohl played like a mother fucker.
But once he gets up and starts singing with that annoying, contrived scream...echh!!
Yeah, it was pretty tasteless. Some people were raving on about it, like it was the best rock show in the world. It was bullshit. It was Grohl bringing together all these huge names (guys from Queen, Rush, fatass Crisco Kid who some people think actually represents Van Halen...but he doesn't) to play a "big rock show," supposedly in "Taylor's honor." Bullshit. It was a fucking ego-fest for Grohl, so people could see all these names and think, "Dave Grohl is the biggest rock star in the world."
A fucking shit show.
I said it before: REAL tribute shows that actually worked and seemed to happen for all the right reasons are rare...and two I can think of that were actually good were:
1) The 1992 Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert at Wembley Stadium
2) The 2002 Concert for George Harrison at Royal Albert Hall
The focus on both nights was: Freddie OR George. Clapton organized the second one...but he didn't turn it into his own ego-fest, playing all his own material. It was ex-bandmates (Beatles, Wilburys, close friends) playing Beatles & George solo material...and playing it well...tastefully. Monty Python was there because they were actually FRIENDS with George Harrison. It truly felt like a 100% celebration of George Harrison.
I don't know what the fucking Taylor Swift...er...Hawkins show was even supposed to be about. And WHY TWO SHOWS?
Fuck Grohl and his fucking ego.
Yep. "Hey, we're filming a gig in England. Let's get Jimmy Page & John Paul Jones onstage and play a couple of Led Zeppelin fans." And people are like, "That's SO cool!" And I was like, "WHY? What the hell do Led Zeppelin have to do with Dave Grohl or the fucking Foo Fighters?"
I won't say it's the worst music I've ever heard...but it's completely unremarkable. There is NOTHING new in it. Every song sounds the same. Eddie Van Halen once said about AC/DC: "They play the same song over and over again, but it's a great song!" And I can't argue with that (though AC/DC had a lot more variety and creativity when they had Bon Scott in the band). Foo Fighters is the same, except it's a rather unremarkable song. Every song follows that MONKEY WRENCH formula. There's a song of there's called THE PRETENDER. It's just lots of generic riffs and screaming...I don't even know what they're so passionate about. It reminds me of the idea of being in bed with someone who is enjoying themselves a lot more than you. They're like screaming and going, "Yes!" And you're like, "Uh...yeah...this is ok, I guess. What are you SO EXCITED about?"
Yes. Who the fuck are really buying MAMMOTH records? (A more fitting band name there has never been...Wolfie is so fat, joggers do laps around him for exercise.)
You can't sustain a career being Edward Van Halen's son forever. Who knows what life experience he has? Certainly not enough to write interesting songs. "My dad's dead...wahh!" OK. What else do you have to say? "I like Kentucky Fried Chicken and never share the bucket!" Not very rock 'n' roll.
WOLFGANG VAN HALEN GREW UP IN A HOUSE IN WHICH HIS DAD ADMITTED TO NOT LISTENING TO OTHER MUSIC. That's some sad shit. Last night, I was playing my daughter Hendrix's MACHINE GUN (from the BAND OF GYPSYS album, 1970). I was explaining to her the marriage of Delta blues with electric guitar, the Vietnam War...explaining to her the difference between the rhythm section at the Band of Gypsys shows and the Experience. I really TALK music with her.
To Wolfgang, rock and roll is things like Alter Bridge and Foo Fighters. If that's what you serve into your ears, without much variety, you aren't going to make a very interesting stew.
Van Halen were interesting because Dave made them play lots of dance songs...and promoters made them play Top 40 material. They were learning everything from Rick Derringer to K.C. and the Sunshine Band. If you play and immerse yourself into all sorts of music, your music and style will come out more interesting.
If your biggest influences are people like Mark Tremonti and Dave Grohl, you're going to produce a homogenized paste...
...and THAT is what Wolfgang's music sounds like.
Now here you are full of shit.
Nirvana had a ton of talent that Foo Fighters have never even begun to approach. Yeah, Cobain was a junkie...but some junkies have made great music before they completely wasted away.
Nirvana were heavy...they truly rocked. Their live shows had actual tension. Cobain's songs were consistently catchy...and his lyrics were a lot better than Grohl's.
I don't deify them the way some people do. I, personally, think Soundgarden or STP (two other bands from that era) were BETTER bands. But Nirvana were no slouches.
And Grohl doesn't even begin to approach them.
Grohl made it because everyone felt sorry for him and the market was itching for more Nirvana-like material (AFTER Cobain died). Grohl made a decent debut, people lapped it up. And then...and then...he got a third-rate band with ex-junkie losers like Pat Smear (a footnote in Nirvana's history) and proceeded to make repeated copies of that first album, each time watered down a little more than before.
Grohl is like Wolfgang's pinnacle.
And if Grohl is better than Wolfgang (which he still, sadly, is), then Wolfgang really has NOTHING to offer.
Boy, you've sure changed your tune since this post, huh?
Do you actually have the balls to compare Dave to a "beached whale" considering Wolfgang, Sammy & Michael Anthony have a combined weight that is actually heavier than both Twin Towers used to be?
Dave will be remembered as THE singer in Van Halen. If you look at the band's Top Spotify tracks, MOST of the Top 30 are Dave-era songs. If I ever mention David Lee Roth to anyone who doesn't follow the band, they always say, "Oh, he was the singer in Van Halen."
Do you really think the average human being who mildly follows pop culture is going to give a shit about Dave/Van Halen in their last few years when assessing his place in history? (I saw 50 news stories in the days after Eddie died and I never saw one that mentioned any of his more embarrassing periods, like the joke of a 2004 tour.)
And your assessment of Roth being so shit those last years...give me a fucking break. I watched one of our posters' amazing edit of the final gig at the Hollywood Bowl (multi-cam sync'd with soundboard) and the band and Dave sounded fine.
As for your blaming Dave 100% for leaving the band in 1985...yes, it was a stupid move on his part. His ego was out of control...biggest mistake of his life, I'm sure.
But to 100% blame him is also a fucking joke. He actually suggested "a break," first of all (still stupid)...but have you ever spent giant amounts of time, day after day, with ONE alcoholic, let alone TWO?
One of the things I like about this site is people being allowed to say whatever they want...but I must ask:
Seriously, if you fucking hate Dave so much, why the fuck do you post here?
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