Cheeto Doubles Down on calling Nazis "very fine people" and praises a fellow traitor

[Sgt Schultz]

Yeah, Rommel would be a better comparison than Hitler himself, in this case. Should we have statues for him in this country too?

Not a good comparison. Rommel was fighting as part of an expansionist war in Africa. His chivalrous conduct earned him a grudging respect in the British army (sorry, I mean white supremacists). He became disillusioned with the war and Hitler and was part of a group that tried to assassinate him.

Lee was a West Point grad, was decorated for his service in the Mexican American War and was an officer in the U.S. Army for 32 years. He turned down an offer to command U.S. forces because of his loyalty to his home state of Virginia during a time when loyalty to state was often viewed as more honorable and important than loyalty to the Union. This was a time when people spoke in terms of "The United States ARE" (not IS).

When viewed through the myopic, small minded eyes of 21st century social justice warriors it makes sense that they'd view Lee as a monster.

[Sgt Schultz]

That's actually the "low ball" number. Some estimates have actually put the final death toll as high as 750,000. All for one of the dumbest fucking reasons to ever start a war. (racist greed)

Lee was responsible for this?

[Seshmeister]

Lee was a West Point grad, was decorated for his service in the Mexican American War and was an officer in the U.S. Army for 32 years. He turned down an offer to command U.S. forces because of his loyalty to his home state of Virginia during a time when loyalty to state was often viewed as more honorable and important than loyalty to the Union. This was a time when people spoke in terms of "The United States ARE" (not IS).

It was always the position of the United States Government that Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and the other Confederate leaders had committed treason, as defined in Article III of the Constitution. On June 7, 1865, Robert E. Lee was indicted for treason by a federal grand jury in Norfolk, Virginia. He faced death by hanging if convicted but for complicated reasons of reconciliation between the sides he was never convicted. He had 200 slaves and by contemporary accounts treated them worse than your average slave owner.

[Nickdfresh]

Lee caused the deaths of 1/2 a million people?
Many people, including the actual people that fought against him, have said Lee was a great general. If you knew anything about military history you'd know that.

Well you don't either. You just suck off every propaganda piece you can. In fact Lee sort of sucked - he benefitted from bad Union military leadership and because he had a massive HUMIT intelligence advantage when the Federal forces were fighting 'away' in the South. I guess you can say he was smart enough to know what he could get away with, true. But when all things were equal and he had to fight in the North, he had his ass kicked at Gettysburg by Meade or whothefuckever...

Not really that impressive...

[Nickdfresh]

Then why didn't the government jail, try, and hang him and many of his officers and men?

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Out of reconciliation. They did build a massive graveyard on his land in his backyard. You've heard of Arlington National Cemetery? So he could see all the people he helped kill...

[Nickdfresh]

BTW, the Confederate Monuments were built in the 1900-1940 with donations led in no small part by the KKK, mainly to terrorize black people and instill the myth of the "Lost Cause"...

[Nickdfresh]

Yeah, Rommel would be a better comparison than Hitler himself, in this case. Should we have statues for him in this country too?

Actually, yes. A perfect comparison. An overrated general that ignored logistics and whose name was made fighting military dunderheads...

[Nickdfresh]

Not a good comparison. Rommel was fighting as part of an expansionist war in Africa. His chivalrous conduct earned him a grudging respect in the British army (sorry, I mean white supremacists). He became disillusioned with the war and Hitler and was part of a group that tried to assassinate him.

An oversimplification. Rommel was not openly part of the German resistance and would lick Hitler's balls if asked. He was only minimally involved in the "Plot" to the extent he might go along if successful. His "chivalrous conduct" was the result of him fighting the British in an alien/neutral theater. His troops in France committed war crimes. but yeah, a great comparison as he was an overrated general fighting subpar enemy leadership until he wasn't...

Lee was a West Point grad, was decorated for his service in the Mexican American War and was an officer in the U.S. Army for 32 years.

Well for fuck they all were West Point grads.

He turned down an offer to command U.S. forces because of his loyalty to his home state of Virginia during a time when loyalty to state was often viewed as more honorable and important than loyalty to the Union. This was a time when people spoke in terms of "The United States ARE" (not IS).

And he had slaves and was a racist...

When viewed through the myopic, small minded eyes of 21st century social justice warriors it makes sense that they'd view Lee as a monster.

No, he was a bit of a cunt in his own day - but they all were...

[Seshmeister]

And he had slaves and was a racist...

I'm sure most white people in those days were racist in the same way most of us maybe had a grandparent who would say stuff which we would cringe at now.

Lincoln said a lot of racist stuff, but I think it's all about degrees and comparing people to their contemporaries and by those standards Lee still does not come out well. Lee literally did the full on 12 Years a Slave stuff, whipping his slaves and rubbing brine water into their wounds.

[Nickdfresh]

Lee also, to his credit, said he didn't want fucking monuments built to him...

[Nitro Express]

The new Trump morality. If someone isn't prosecuted then their actions are fine.

Shit. People don't care about morality. Haha! If they did all the politicians would be kicked out of office. People vote their pocketbook. They want people in office who serve their own selfish interests. Since we all get our money different ways that's where the political conflict stems from.

[Nitro Express]

Lee also, to his credit, said he didn't want fucking monuments built to him...

So much for that.

[Sgt Schultz]

It was always the position of the United States Government that Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and the other Confederate leaders had committed treason, as defined in Article III of the Constitution. On June 7, 1865, Robert E. Lee was indicted for treason by a federal grand jury in Norfolk, Virginia. He faced death by hanging if convicted but for complicated reasons of reconciliation between the sides he was never convicted. He had 200 slaves and by contemporary accounts treated them worse than your average slave owner.

I'm not here to defend Lee. I've never bee a fan of him or the Confederacy.

Doesn't mean Lee wasn't a great General.

[Sgt Schultz]

Well you don't either. You just suck off every propaganda piece you can. In fact Lee sort of sucked - he benefitted from bad Union military leadership and because he had a massive HUMIT intelligence advantage when the Federal forces were fighting 'away' in the South. I guess you can say he was smart enough to know what he could get away with, true. But when all things were equal and he had to fight in the North, he had his ass kicked at Gettysburg by Meade or whothefuckever...

Not really that impressive...

Read the official records. I defer to the people that fought against him. Both sides had good and bad officers and Lee certainly made huge blunders. Same goes for Grant. In the Western Theatre he had some masterpieces but in the east some real fuck ups.

[Sgt Schultz]

Out of reconciliation.

Exactly.

[QUOTE=They did build a massive graveyard on his land in his backyard. You've heard of Arlington National Cemetery? So he could see all the people he helped kill...[/QUOTE]
Yes, pretty sure I knew this already. I'm not a fan of Lee but I'm reasonable to acknowledge that he was a great General.