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    So Ron Paul won the Repuke delegates in Jefferson County?

    This is a county with ONE incorporated city, Port Townsend. And if you have ever been to Port Townsend, you would know it is anything BUT a Republican stronghold. Very cool little town actually. So you had a "Republican caucus" where the locals chose the guy who is the least like a post 80s Repuke. A guy who they could at least agree with on two or three things.

    But it's not going to matter worth a shit when they go to the state convention which will be dominated by the King County corporatist Repuke Chris Dunce/Craig McCaw/Dino Rossi establishment types, and the Kolob dog abuser is guaranteed to take the state party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Lemme ax you dis, palmboner...

    How do you think Paul would fare running independent against Romney and Obama ??

    How 'bout Sanitorum and Obama ??
    well, the knuckleboner's speculation is that ron paul pulls more votes from otherwise republicans than otherwise democrats. many of his supporters won't vote for any of the other candidates. but at the end of the day, a ron paul independent run hurts the republicans. either way, though, he winds up like perot. pulls 20% or so of the population, but zero electoral votes.

    but at the end of the day, as an independent, i think he guarantees an obama victory. which is why he won't run as an independent. he knows that he doesn't have an actual shot at winning the presidency. he's in the race for 2 reasons, 1) because he wants to get his message out, and 2) to set up rand in 2016. if romney wins, rand will carry on the paul support in 2020. if obama wins, ron will claim that republicans need to listen to something new, his message, now carried on by rand, not the same old, same old which wound up electing a democrat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    I'd like to think he wouldn't lose to Obama, as he can outflank him on the left and right. What makes me more happy right now is that we are taking fighting to take control of the local and state levels of the GOP. If we can change things, at these levels, eventually we can change them at the national level. Everywhere it seems like RP people are getting themselves elected to local and county GOP offices (as much as they can).
    nah, obama'd get him hands down. the medicare / social security stuff's enough by itself. i'm not saying it's fair, but it would doom a republican candidate against a democrat. the traditional democratic base wouldn't switch to paul because he's better on the wars. the entitlements, education spending, etc. is enough to keep them voting democrat. and the republican base won't warm to paul, either, because he's too soft for them on national security.

    so the only question is, can paul pull enough independents to make up for his eroded base. doubtful.

    mind you, a good part of this is because we're such a 2-party system. i think obama's done a decent job (given extraordinarily tough circumstances) but even still, i was hoping bloomberg said fuck it and went in on a 3rd party ticket. he wouldn't win. but he has the money and clout to possibly get a 3rd party into a viable position. and i definitey support that. which means, i may disagree with the policies, but good for the state/local ron paul crowd. new ideas are needed.

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    The mistake Ron Paul has made is being to laise faire. Both the Republicans and Democrats have their die hard base that will vote the party line no matter what. Instead of saying he's going to get rid of the FDA and EPA just say he's going to clean them up and fix the problems. The real trick to fixing things and he's right here is to take over the money issuing role from the Federal Reserve. A good percentage of the debt we owe is to the FED. The FED has been caught breaking national and international banking laws and an audit surely would show abuses. Then have the Treasury Department issue no interest money and give it interest free to the commercial banks so they can lend it out. That solves a good share of the debt and money problem and gets the economy going. Then he can start cutting out a lot of the waste in the executive branch and start bringing the troops home. The key to the money is you can't print too much and you have to have enough to make the economy work.

    What we have now is a congress issuing money in the form of debt. Debt is the money of today and all that does is saddle the tax payer with centuries of debt with more tax money being taken to pay it. It's as bad of a financial system as you can have because eventually everyone becomes a debt slave and then you are going to have a brain drain because people will just leave the country since being here no longer has any benefits. Then you are looking at a situation where the government builds a wall to keep people in. LOL! Sound familiar?

    I figure if Obama or Romney get in they will have another $5 Trillion in debt ran up in the next presidential term. So much of this money we are borrowing is unaccounted for. Much has gone overseas. So really even as wasteful as a lot of these government programs are, they are nothing compared to the military spending waste and the banking bailout scams. We need to get that shit under control ASAP!

    With interest free government issued money everyone in the country could be given a place to live and have their basic living expenses paid. If you want to paint paintings you can do that. If you want to watch porn all day and masturbate. Fine. You can do that too. That will keep the lazy people happy and then you have opportunities for the go getters to chase their dreams but as long as you have enough money but not too much you won't have run away bubbles like you do when central banks go crazy. They want to build the economy up so everyone buys into the bubble and then defaults and then they come in later and buy everything up cheap. Controlling that interest rate and issuing money is probably the most powerful man made thing on the planet.
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    Ron Paul First GOP Candidate to Appear on Ballot in All 50 States

    “Being first to appear on the ballot in all fifty states proves that Ron Paul is the only candidate with the organizational muscle, resources, and stamina to challenge Mitt Romney.”

    LAKE JACKSON, Texas -- 2012 Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul is the first candidate among those vying for the GOP nomination to appear on the ballot in all 50 states, and the only candidate aside from moderate-establishment Mitt Romney to have any prospects for 50-state ballot access.

    The 12-term Congressman from Texas filed to appear on the ballot in New Jersey on Tuesday, March 27th with double the required 1,000 signatures, which gave him the status of first candidate to have nationwide ballot access. Romney is expected to file in New Jersey in the coming days, making his 50-state ballot access likely.

    Not all states require activity such as the need to file paperwork to appear on the ballot. In the case of some states, for example, the respective secretaries of state simply green-light ballot access for candidates. In the over 30 states that do require some form of filing activity, filing requirements range from formalities such as filing paperwork and paying a fee to appear on the ballot, to similar requirements plus a quota of signatures from those enrolled in the relevant political party, to stringent requirements as in the example of Virginia, which requires filing plus thousands of signatures to authenticate candidate support.

    In Virginia, Paul and Romney were the only candidates that appeared on the ballot in the Commonwealth’s primary held on March 6th – Super Tuesday. Counterfeit conservative Rick Santorum failed to file at all in Virginia, and serial hypocrite Newt Gingrich filed but fell short of qualifying. Would-be candidate Rick Perry’s suit that the other candidates joined against the Commonwealth was struck down on appeal, and an injunction determining whether and when paper ballots were to be printed was lifted, making possible the Paul-Romney matchup. More recently, Santorum failed to file in the District of Columbia, which is holding its primary on Tuesday, April 3rd.

    “Success in accessing ballots no matter a state’s requirements is a barometer for the strength of a campaign organization. Being first to appear on the ballot in all fifty states proves that Ron Paul is the only candidate with the organizational muscle, resources, and stamina to challenge Mitt Romney for the Republican nomination,” said Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Manager John Tate.

    “In concert with our delegate-attainment strategy, which is working well in states like Iowa, Nevada, Washington, and Missouri, we’re prepared and eager to continue on the long road to Tampa,” added Mr. Tate, referring to the Republican National Convention in to be held in Florida in September. “See you on the campaign trail.”



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    hahaha...

    GOP feud: Santorum and Paul supporters team up to scuttle Romney
    Posted by Jim Brunner

    Mitt Romney won the straw poll at Washington's precinct caucuses March 3, but the fight over who will claim the state's 43 delegates to the Republican national convention is ongoing.

    The latest twist: Rick Santorum's campaign is teaming up with Ron Paul supporters in an effort to deny Romney delegates, apparently at the direction of Santorum himself.

    The strategy has alarmed some top GOP officials who fear it will crack party unity and lead to a nasty scene at the state convention in a couple months. It has also angered some grassroots Santorum supporters.

    In an email to Santorum supporters Thursday, state volunteer coordinator Graden Neal laid out the plan:

    "Last night, the Washington State Rick Santorum leadership had a conference call with a special guest, the Senator himself. We were surprised and honored that Rick Santorum himself came on our call to help give us direction. And the Senator didn't mince words. In order for us to win the nomination in Tampa in August, we must deny Romney delegates to that convention. If the frontrunner, Romney receives 1,144 delegates before the national convention, it is all over for our campaign. That is the reason why the Senator himself directed us to coalition with the Ron Paul delegates to deny Romney any state delegates." [Emphasis added]
    Neal confirmed the message in a phone interview, and acknowledged the effort has split Santorum's supporters here. Neal said the alliance is showing a measure of success, but acknowledged some Santorum backers are not happy with the strategy.

    "We are a house divided," he said.

    The showdown should be evident this weekend when nine counties -- including Snohomish and Clark counties -- hold conventions to elect delegates to the state GOP convention, where the national delegates will be picked in June.

    King County Republican Party Chairman Lori Sotelo called it a "weird alliance" given the libertarian views of Paul, which are often at odds with Santorum. Indeed, there has even been speculation nationally that Paul was allying himself with Romney, given several conveniently timed barbs Paul has thrown at Santorum.

    State Republican Party Chairman Kirby Wilbur said he's growing "concerned" about the scheming leading to a disruptive fight at the state convention.

    And the Santorum campaign's move -- directed by the national campaign -- has turned off some local supporters who had been working on "unity slates" to fairly apportion delegates among the Santorum, Romney and Gingrich campaigns.

    Garry Pagon, a long time Snohomish County Republican activist, sent a letter of resignation to the Santorum campaign Thursday.

    Pagon had been the campaign's coordinator for the 1st and 2nd congressional districts, but said in the letter he could not continue in that role.

    Pagon wrote that "personal animosities" have developed between some Santorum and Paul supporters, so "many of our people will not be willing to work with the Paul campaign."

    "If we revoke commitments that we made," Pagon's letter added, "then we will lose most of our credibility going forward, and other campaigns will not trust any negotiations that we attempt in the future."
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    Also, Paul swept Nye County, Nevada today, taking all the delegates and alternates.

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    Kirby Wilbur is running the Washington state Repuke party now?

    Well, that makes me feel better about the next election. He's a failed right wing radio host. Mush Limpdick wannabe who used to have the afternoon shift on KK-KVI radio.

    I think he supported Ellen Craswell for Governor She was an old lady with a religious extremist party platform which included the death penalty for homosexuality.

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    The Ronulans are among us: How Ron Paul’s delegate strategy is actually working
    Published: 28 March, 2012, 17:58

    On they come, marginalized by the media and ridiculed by the Republican establishment. Their votes are often rejected at precinct caucuses, their voices ignored by temporary chairmen who flaunt their own rules and pretend that they have the votes for their prearranged delegate slates.

    On one occasion a crowd of onlookers shouts objections at this fraud, only to be subjected to prearranged organized arrests for “disturbing the peace.” Some participants openly weep, in shame for the obscenity of such blatant corruption. Others become angry. In Missouri, a weary delegate is seen vomiting by the side of a building, sick over what she has just experienced.

    In Kentucky they show up to find that their name is on a list prohibited from participation by the County Chairman. He claims he did a drive-by the day before and they had a Libertarian sign in their yard and therefore cannot participate in a GOP caucus.

    In Nevada the microphones are only allowed for favored candidates and are turned off when a young Hispanic tries to speak. There are lots of Hispanics among this crowd. Parliamentary rules are ignored. Prospective delegates are intimidated.

    In Virginia, they are tricked into leaving the building, told that if there is no quorum the vote can be delayed until the rest of their people show up. But once out of the building the County Chairman, herself, locks the door so they can’t get back in.

    In Alaska, election times are changed and their names are excluded from robo calls announcing those changes. Participants from all of the other campaigns are invited. Insiders are reportedly allowed to vote in caucuses by telephone conference calls, meanwhile, young people who show up are turned away in droves, saying they are too late or not registered, in spite of showing registration documents.

    In Maine, a county chairman cancels the caucus, knowing that they will have a strong showing. A GOP official transfers false data and her phony numbers are caught by a local newspaper.

    In an Oklahoma county convention a corrupt chairman adds new delegates who didn’t attend precinct caucuses and eliminates those who actually did. Another establishes a credentials committee which eliminates anyone under the age of thirty.

    And yet, on they come, in spite of the pain, the inconvenience, the open hostility of the Party bosses. They are like a tide of the ocean. And for every precinct or county where they are violated or cheated, there is another where their sheer numbers prevail. These are the Ronulans, the Ron Paul supporters, trying to take back the Mothership from the corrupt Empire. And unseen, unheralded by the national media, they are showing signs of success.

    In Seattle they overwhelm the 46th and 36th legislative district delegate elections, electing their own chairman, and winning every single one of the 21 delegates to the state convention. The rejected former GOP chairman, pouting over his loss, walks off the stage with all of the Party ballots and scanners, perhaps believing that they cannot have a meeting without the Republican Party’s technology.

    They out-organized us says a Romney man. The same thing happens in the 36th District, where the Paul’s supporters vote down a Romney contrived “unity slate” that claimed to represent all of the other candidates. Weeks ago the Associated Press claimed that Romney would win 30 of the Washington State delegates to the national convention, Ron Paul, they reported would win 5. But it is turning out to be very different.

    In Minnesota, where the AP projects 37 delegates for Santorum, 1 for Gingrich and 0 for Ron Paul the difference between media and reality is even more stark. In Carver County, Minnesota (suburban Minneapolis) Ron Paul supporters show up in force securing 30 out of the 52 delegate slots that will go onto the State Convention. Reports across the state are similar, especially in the suburbs. In most of them Ron Paul supporters account for at least a third of the delegates that will go to State. Theoretically, if they could unite, a Santorum-Paul deal could split the whole delegation to Tampa and deny Romney all but a few.

    It is the same story in Missouri. Here too, Senator Rick Santorum won the statewide beauty contest but is seeing the delegates being swept away by the Ronulan tide. Ron Paul sweeps the St. Louis City Caucus and doubles the nearest delegate winner, Mitt Romney, in Jackson County (Kansas City.) It is a dramatic showing. In the Sixth Congressional District, Dr. Paul bags the whole lot, winning every single delegate to the State Convention.

    Santorum wins Christian County but it is a bittersweet victory. The Country Chairmen himself openly declares “voter fraud.” Videos and written eye witness reports abound on what really happened.

    Perhaps the most dramatic contest centers on Greene County. (Springfield, Missouri.) This is the home to the national headquarters for the Assemblies of God and the Baptist Bible Fellowship, of Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Falwell fame, respectively. The Ronulans extend a hand of cooperation to the Santorum people but it is rejected. And who can blame them? Santorum had carried the County by 54% in the statewide, non binding, contest. The Romney people quickly step into the breach, make peace with the Ronulans. The end result is a delegation to the State Convention that is 59% Ron Paul, 36% Mitt Romney and 5% Rick Santorum.

    Again in Boone County, (Columbia, Missouri,) Ron Paul organizer, Bruce Summers tries to strike a deal with Santorum supporters and is flatly rejected. The Ronulans promptly elect a new chairman of the caucus and the Romney supporters, seeing the math, fall into line, offering to join with the Ron Paul forces just to be able to get a piece of the delegation that will go onto State.

    Santorum forces become so defensive over the invasion of young Ronulans in Cass County that they make a deal with Romney they didn’t have to make. Just to be certain of keeping out the Ron Paul supporters, they give up five delegates to Romney, their main rival for the GOP nomination. Like the Ron Paul deals with Romney, it is a tactical decision of strategic incompetence.

    In Iowa, where it all began last January, where the Romney State Chairman delayed reports that Santorum had really won after all, they have announced a new State Chairman. He is A.J. Spiker, the State co-chairman for Ron Paul for president. And still, the AP delegate tracker suggests that split of delegates from Iowa will be Santorum 14, Romney 12, and Ron Paul 1. Clearly, if the Ronulans can replace the Romney State Chair with their own man, they will get much more than one delegate to Tampa.
    So who are these Ron Paul supporters? They are young. He carried 48% of the youth vote in Iowa, 47% in New Hampshire, while six other candidates split the rest. They are Hispanic. He carried 52% of the Hispanic vote in Clark County, Nevada ( Las Vegas) while all of the others split the rest. And they are Independents. In a recent CBS poll he did better among Independents than all other candidates including Barack Obama.

    And that means that they are the future. It means they are going to keep coming. They cannot be stopped, only delayed. And not for long. They are coming. They are coming.
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    Vedy vedy intedesting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Vedy vedy intedesting...
    Like the fact you believe it's okay for people to arbitrarily assassinate anyone in their neighborhood under the (completely bullshit) guise of "self-defense." Good one, liber'tard...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Like the fact you believe it's okay for people to arbitrarily assassinate anyone in their neighborhood under the (completely bullshit) guise of "self-defense." Good one, liber'tard...
    Another good way to reduce the carbon footprint. People exhale carbon dioxide and they use products that add to the carbon footprint which causes global warming. Elvis' philosophy is good for the planet and green friendly. Any way we can reduce the human population is a good thing.

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    Too bad the doctors didn't realize that last week, when they put a new heart into the body of a 71 year old mass murdering war criminal who had killed his own heart with cigarettes before he was 40.
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    I've heard a lot of stories like this... Paul supporters getting themselves elected as delegates with the intent to be bound for another candidate at the national convention for the first ballot, believing that no one will have enough to clinch the nomination. Then they will be free to swap their support to Paul.

    Ron Paul supporters claim victories in Nevada
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    Supporters of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul say they came away with all 75 state delegates from Nye County and more than half of 108 state delegates from Douglas County in convention voting Saturday.

    But leaders of the Nye Republican Central Committee say they plan to appeal the vote to the state GOP Credentials Committee because Paul backers violated party rules and state law, prompting them to leave before the election.

    "Me and the others left early because the Paul supporters violated state law, and were unruly and rowdy," said Fely A. Quitevis, chair of the Nye GOP. "I couldn't stand it anymore and gave up. In my heart and mind, I know I did the right thing."

    Paul supporters maintain Nye GOP leaders cheated by trying to convene the convention with unelected delegates, and they elected a chair who oversaw a fair election.

    "Supporters of Dr. Paul are reshaping Republican politics in Nevada," Carl Bunce, Nevada chairman of Paul's campaign, said in a statement. "They have the stamina and determination to bring the party back to its limited-government roots, county by county."

    Last month, Paul backers captured more than half of Clark County's 1,382 delegates to the state convention in Sparks in May. They also won 14 of the Clark GOP's 21 executive board positions. The county encompassing Las Vegas is the state's most populous.

    While Paul supporters have said they share the GOP goal of defeating President Barack Obama, the Paul factor could complicate matters at the state convention.

    Four years ago, GOP leaders who supported then-presidential candidate John McCain abruptly shut down the state convention in Reno when it appeared Paul would take most of Nevada's delegates to the national convention.

    The state convention will elect 28 delegates to the Republican National Convention this summer in Tampa, Fla.

    Ralph McMullen, parliamentarian for the state Republican Party, said it would be up to the credentials committee to decide whether the Nye election was legal. The panel also will consider a similar controversy involving Carson City's state delegates, he added.

    "I don't care who wins as long as the rules are followed," McMullen said. "We don't want a repeat of 2008. The main thing is you win it fairly and squarely."

    Bunce has said Paul supporters would follow rules requiring Nevada's 28 delegates to be bound on the first ballot to vote in line with the GOP caucus-winning percentages. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney earned 14 of those delegates because he finished with 50 percent of the caucus vote in February.

    But delegates could switch to other candidates if a contested convention leads to more than one ballot.
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    Ahhh..the conspiracy theory campaign strategy....



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    I certainly hope all these stealth Paul delegates are also working just as hard as getting Liberals elected to Congress. Because to do otherwise would make them treasonous Randtard scum.

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    I doubt it, FORD, but it's not treason to vote for non-liberal candidates.

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    The agenda of Randtard "libertarian" anarchism is practically textbook treason, since destroying the USA (as we know it) is the whole idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    I certainly hope all these stealth Paul delegates are also working just as hard as getting Liberals elected to Congress. Because to do otherwise would make them treasonous Randtard scum.
    I don't think there are any real liberals in power anymore. Liberals used to be the free speech and protest people. They were the disenters. Pretty much what you saw in the 60's with civil rights and the war protesting. It worked too.

    Then what the liberals were fighting, the old money corporate establishment infiltrated the Democratic party. We supposedly have a liberal president now but he's shut up or go to jail. Protest and go to jail. The liberals no longer stand for free speech and citizens's rights. It represents tyranny. You are going to say what we want you to say or else! You are going to do what we want you to do or else!

    I don't see any liberals anymore, just corrupt politicians who claim to be liberal sucking GE's and Goldman Sach's cock. The Democratic party has become everything the Democrats in the 60's were protesting about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    The agenda of Randtard "libertarian" anarchism is practically textbook treason, since destroying the USA (as we know it) is the whole idea.
    I see the Bush/Obama agenda as treason. You may not agree with some of the domestic policy but we have an out of control central bank that has gone completely rogue. If we don't get the Federal Reserve under control nothing else will matter. Someone better stand up and start throwing some of these crooks in jail because if we don't, it will cause a full blown revolution. Someone has to start turning the ship and it ain't going to be Obama. I doubt Romney will be any better.

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    Those DLC sellouts are not Liberals. They barely qualify as "Democrats".

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    Ron Paul had 5,200 people turn out for his rally in Wisconsin. The next day, Romney had 700 show up for his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Those DLC sellouts are not Liberals. They barely qualify as "Democrats".
    Yeah but you only have a small handful of real liberals in office now. You don't hold any power.

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    Ron Paul draws his largest crowd yet - 5,200 people in Wisconsin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I see the Bush/Obama agenda as treason. You may not agree with some of the domestic policy but we have an out of control central bank that has gone completely rogue. If we don't get the Federal Reserve under control nothing else will matter. Someone better stand up and start throwing some of these crooks in jail because if we don't, it will cause a full blown revolution. Someone has to start turning the ship and it ain't going to be Obama. I doubt Romney will be any better.
    I pretty much agree with Ron Paul about the Federal Reserve (as does Dennis Kucinich) but his agenda goes far beyond that. He wants to destroy the legitimate Federal Government, not just the private banking cartel pretending to be a "Federal" agency. And that's why I say the only way a Ron Paul presidency is acceptable is with a congress controlled by actual Liberals. Together they can end the wars and overhaul/eliminate the "Federal" Reserve. But all this Randtard fantasy bullshit about eliminating every last regulation, and every Federal agency.... that's just a nightmare that would make people beg for the "good old days" of the BCE. Or the Mayan apocalypse on December 21.... which ever can happen first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    The agenda of Randtard "libertarian" anarchism is practically textbook treason, since destroying the USA (as we know it) is the whole idea.
    I would say G.W. Bush and Obama beat Rand to it. This sure as hell isn't the United States I was living in before those two assholes got elected. Look at how much we have lost since the 90's and look at how much less stuff your dollar buys. I really don't see getting rid of the FDA or EPA as treason. I would say violating the US Constitution is. Right now those in power say we have no rights. They can just lock us up with no trial for anything they suspect and even kill us or take our citizenship away. I would say that's a pretty good definition of a rogue government. They kind of forgot it's WE THE PEOPLE. The country survived without the EPA and even the FDA. It won't survive without a constitutional rule of law.

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    The problem with these agencies is 60% of our budget gets spent in them. Plus, they are ran by non-elected beurocrats that have a huge affect on how our nation runs. I worked for the Department of Energy for awhile and it's never provided the public with anything worth justifying the huge amount of money it burns through. Also, it's actually illegal to talk to a member of Congress if you head these agencies. They have become so powerful they are a government unto themselves. Government is going to get trimmed one of two ways. A president trimming the agencies or a Revolution tearing it apart. Take your pick.

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    The worst part is that my generation will be the one to suffer all the consequences of you dumb shits and your inability to do anything but "pick the lesser evil" and shrug your shoulders as the country falls apart, bickering over every little waste of time rather than do what's necessary to move things forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    Ron Paul had 5,200 people turn out for his rally in Wisconsin. The next day, Romney had 700 show up for his.
    Romney's rally had Scott Walker signs all around and Jockstrap Ryan turned up to endorse him. There couldn't be two more unpopular people in Wisconsin right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    The worst part is that my generation will be the one to suffer all the consequences of you dumb shits and your inability to do anything but "pick the lesser evil" and shrug your shoulders as the country falls apart, bickering over every little waste of time rather than do what's necessary to move things forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    The worst part is that my generation will be the one to suffer all the consequences of you dumb shits and your inability to do anything but "pick the lesser evil" and shrug your shoulders as the country falls apart, bickering over every little waste of time rather than do what's necessary to move things forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Don't blame me.... I tried to save this country in 2004

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    Hey there's a great idea for a ticket..... Dean/Idol 2012. (And yes, Billy is eligible... he was born in NYC)

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    Oh my...

    I've voted for Nader in the past because I really believed he would look out for the "consumers" best interest. I also liked much of what he has said about watchdogging gov't as a whole. This however makes me throw up a little in my mouth because I hate every other word that comes out of RP's mouth...

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    A major announcement is planned in the next few weeks, but I have received the scoop from Nader spokeswoman Durachka Pervaprelskaya that Ralph Nader has agreed to to run for Vice President on an independent ticket with Ron Paul for President and will try to get on the ballot in all states and DC.

    Ralph Nader ran as a Green Party candidate for President in 1996 and 2000, and as an independent in 2004 and 2008. Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian in 1988, and as a Republican in 2008, as well as serving multiple terms in Congress as a Republican. In 2008, he endorsed Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin in the general election.

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    Ms. Pervaprelskaya said that the timing of the announcement is being moved up due to concerns about potential independent runs by Donald Trump (currently running as a Republican), Mayor Michael Bloomberg of NYC, former Governor Jesse Ventura of Minnesota, Roseanne Barr, and progressive candidate Robert Milnes of New Jersey, who intends to run with an as yet unidentified female libertarian VP candidate. She refused to comment on the all-party and independent system of the US Parliament, Inc., and any issues involving petition gathering contracts.

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    Sounds like an april fools gag...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Sounds like an april fools gag...
    I guess I should have looked at the date... I'd say you're right. It's a year old April fools gag!!!

    Nader has said several times he wasn't going to run in 2012. I should have read it more carefully...

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    Two guys in their mid-70s could never win, no matter who they are. If Paul & Nader were two guys in their mid 40's they might well be able to put together a ticket that could do at least as well as Ross Perot. But not two old geezers......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    The worst part is that my generation will be the one to suffer all the consequences of you dumb shits and your inability to do anything but "pick the lesser evil" and shrug your shoulders as the country falls apart, bickering over every little waste of time rather than do what's necessary to move things forward.
    You pretty much described the old strategy of divide and rule. The corporations own the media outlets and the corporations are owned by financial institutions. There is a revolving door between the corporate world, the academic world, and the political world. You elect some puppet, you staff the agencies with academic intellectuals who are used to existing in a small box of specialization and rarely look beyond grant money as long as they can work on their little projects. These type of people have big egos and actually are really easy to control by stroking their egos and tossing them some candy. Then key cabinet positions are filled by bankers and corporate heads to make sure the agenda is running on track.

    You move the agenda forward but use the media and professional antagonists to stir up the country over useless issues and topics that nobody will agree upon. This is the red herring to distract the idiot public while those in power rob them blind. Much like how the gypsy pick pockets work a tourist in Moscow. One person will distract you while usually a small child grabs your wallet.

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