Tax Fraud, Conman in Chief

[Seshmeister]

Why does this matter to some people so much..?

It's clear that Trump was a political outsider prior to seeking office... All politicians game the financial systems to their own advantage. Does it really matter that Trump did exactly the same thing in a different industry..?

The only real difference I see is Trump had extensive experience manipulating finances/taxes prior to running for office.... where most politicians develop that skill once in office then gain huge riches during/after serving... They are all crooks!

Do you not think a lot of people believed that he was a successful businessman though and that's why some people voted for him?

The image presented of him on The Apprentice was not that his one business skill was knowing how to hire someone to cheat his taxes.

[Nitro Express]

You are killing your own argument here - Mueller is a Republican appointed by Republicans.

So even if a guy isn't partisan it's all just partisan according to you - even when it's one of your guys?

Not one of my guys. I'm not a Republican.

[Nitro Express]

Sure, get back with me after your "don't get it/tonedeaf nonsense". The Democrats WANT him on the court! This has been nothing but a cake win for them, topped off with the Trump-mocking-Ford and Lindsey Graham-Lincoln Log gay Republican complete lack of empathy and faux-anger at the mistreatment of a creepy misogynous fake choir-boy douche cherries! That mobilizes moderate female and college educated male (read white) suburban and neo-urban voters toward the Democratic Party. What's the worst that happens according to Dems? He helps overturn Roe vs. Wade? LMFAO!! Goodbye GOP, hello splinter parties of perma-opposition.....

LMFAO!!! Mueller ain't resigning! I mean, seriously!!

Actually, wait until the Dems take the House and create a new theme park called "Subpoena Land". You have no idea what Drumpf is in for....

Ah ok. Then if the Dems want Kavenaugh on the court so bad how come they are throwing everything they can to keep him out? Also the FBI investigations are over. They have found nothing. Apparently many Democrats still trust the FBI. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty and that's the thing here. These investigations have found nothing. There was no Russian collusion. The FBI found nothing on Kavenaugh. You go on these emotional rants and frankly don't make much sense.

[ZahZoo]

Do you not think a lot of people believed that he was a successful businessman though and that's why some people voted for him?

The image presented of him on The Apprentice was not that his one business skill was knowing how to hire someone to cheat his taxes.

Yeah, I do think a lot people voted for him because they thought he was a success in business. My opinion, doesn't support that. He had a lot of business failures, huge financial losses and "bad deals". Far from some business super-star... although he did have a enough success to stay in business and out of jail.

Another factor that helped his popularity was his media presence... again not something I believe positioned him to be a good government leader.

I was surprised Trump beat out the field of 16 Republicans in the primaries. I think another factor was people voting for what he was not... in other words, just sick of the same old establishment crap that got us to that point in time.

[Nickdfresh]

Ah ok. Then if the Dems want Kavenaugh on the court so bad how come they are throwing everything they can to keep him out?

They don't want a conservative on the court, but he's an especially bad choice that galvanizes especially female voters of nearly every demographic against the GOP.

Also the FBI investigations are over. They have found nothing.

How do you know what they found? The reports haven't been made public?

Apparently many Democrats still trust the FBI. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty and that's the thing here.

A background check isn't a trial. People are routinely denied security clearances for lying and lying under oath. It's essentially a civil penalty even if one can be criminally charged for lying under oath/to the FBI...

These investigations have found nothing. There was no Russian collusion.

How the fuck do you know, Captain Non Sequitur? Other than the dozens of convictions and flips that have been made in the 'Russia Investigation'. Maybe you're too busy reading your conspiracy shit to realize that right now Mueller's investigation is essentially on a pause until after the elections...

The FBI found nothing on Kavenaugh.

Again. How the fuck would you know? When did you read the report and cite anything from it. Even if they completely ignored and failed to interview his ex-college roommates that tend to think he's a douche...

You go on these emotional rants and frankly don't make much sense.

And you make nonsensical comments pulled out of your ass, I mean you used to post Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg fucking nonsense along with your stream of bullshit "cool stories" from my bro!

[Nickdfresh]

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I was surprised Trump beat out the field of 16 Republicans in the primaries. I think another factor was people voting for what he was not... in other words, just sick of the same old establishment crap that got us to that point in time.

You mean that Republicans tend to be especially inept, unlikable, and are completely full of two-faced shit? Maybe that has to do a bit with the party platforms and the politically dumb white suburbanites and trailer-park dwellers that auto-vote them while demanding no actual substance?

[ZahZoo]

You mean that Republicans tend to be especially inept, unlikable, and are completely full of two-faced shit? Maybe that has to do a bit with the party platforms and the politically dumb white suburbanites and trailer-park dwellers that auto-vote them while demanding no actual substance?

The same statement could apply to the Democratic party within establishment ranks. Just shuffle the nonsense racial slant to your pick of minority and change "trailer-park" to "city"...

I believe most Americans are growing very tired of the establishment games on both sides and complete lack addressing real issues in a reasonable and thoughtful manner.

[Nitro Express]

Yeah, I do think a lot people voted for him because they thought he was a success in business. My opinion, doesn't support that. He had a lot of business failures, huge financial losses and "bad deals". Far from some business super-star... although he did have a enough success to stay in business and out of jail.

Another factor that helped his popularity was his media presence... again not something I believe positioned him to be a good government leader.

I was surprised Trump beat out the field of 16 Republicans in the primaries. I think another factor was people voting for what he was not... in other words, just sick of the same old establishment crap that got us to that point in time.

Trump won because people wanted to punish the establishment. They put an outsider with no political experience into the Executive Branch. It was a form of revolt. It was what is left of the working class that voted for him. The people who aren’t on welfare who work for a living. This used to be the base for the Democrats but the working class and unions supported Trump. Why? They didn’t want their jobs being outsourced and they wanted to get rid of the high priced insurance Obamacare created. The rich who live on both coasts voted for Hillary. Trump got the middle America vote. One thing I might add, he had to get 18% of the Bernie supporters to win.

[Nitro Express]

The same statement could apply to the Democratic party within establishment ranks. Just shuffle the nonsense racial slant to your pick of minority and change "trailer-park" to "city"...

I believe most Americans are growing very tired of the establishment games on both sides and complete lack addressing real issues in a reasonable and thoughtful manner.

Both parties are responsible for getting us into wars we shouldn’t have gotten into. Both parties are full of career politicians who spend their whole adult life in office and get rich as a result. Trump is no saint but man has the establishment gone into a panic with someone who isn’t a member of the club being in the White House. It’s created a mutany and the panic has exposed so much corruption. Trump winning basically pulled the establishment’s pants down and we now see how absolutely insane certain players in Washington are trying to stay in power and/or avoid jail.

[Nitro Express]

They don't want a conservative on the court, but he's an especially bad choice that galvanizes especially female voters of nearly every demographic against the GOP.



How do you know what they found? The reports haven't been made public?



A background check isn't a trial. People are routinely denied security clearances for lying and lying under oath. It's essentially a civil penalty even if one can be criminally charged for lying under oath/to the FBI...



How the fuck do you know, Captain Non Sequitur? Other than the dozens of convictions and flips that have been made in the 'Russia Investigation'. Maybe you're too busy reading your conspiracy shit to realize that right now Mueller's investigation is essentially on a pause until after the elections...



Again. How the fuck would you know? When did you read the report and cite anything from it. Even if they completely ignored and failed to interview his ex-college roommates that tend to think he's a douche...



And you make nonsensical comments pulled out of your ass, I mean you used to post Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg fucking nonsense along with your stream of bullshit "cool stories" from my bro!

You really have no common sense. If there was anything in the FBI investigation that would hurt Kavenaugh it would have been used against him. Mueller’s investigation has gone on for two years and it originally was about Trump colluding with the Russians to win the election. When the investigation found nothing there it went off on many tangents. The Democrats were just hoping to stall the process of confirming a Supreme Court justice until after the election where they hope to take the US House and maybe even the senate back. What the Democrats do is if they can’t get any actual evidence they go for character assasination. Also they just don’t know when to quit and add in all the far left crazy mouths saying some extreme shit. To the average person it makes it look like the Democrats are power hungry and don’t give a shit about due process or even free speech. It’s a bad image to have and I think it’s going to hurt the Democrats getting votes in the election. Also people want strong leaders and a solid game plan. So far all I see is a bunch of old has beens and the only plan seems to be open borders, free everything and Trump sucks. It’s La La Land.

[Seshmeister]

To be fair women still outnumber sexual predators on the court 3-2 so at least at any time one will be able to run for help...

[Nickdfresh]

You really have no common sense....

If I have no common sense, then you must be fucking retarded! Reread your last three posts aloud to someone and see how stupid you sound! Trump is exposing corruption? For fucking fuck's sake he is! HIS OWN!!

[Terry]

Why does this matter to some people so much..?

It's clear that Trump was a political outsider prior to seeking office... All politicians game the financial systems to their own advantage. Does it really matter that Trump did exactly the same thing in a different industry..?

The only real difference I see is Trump had extensive experience manipulating finances/taxes prior to running for office.... where most politicians develop that skill once in office then gain huge riches during/after serving... They are all crooks!

Not to come across as cheeky, but the standard is along the lines of: so what if Trump is a crook? Everyone else is, too!

Hardly a ringing endorsement.

[Terry]

Yeah, I do think a lot people voted for him because they thought he was a success in business. My opinion, doesn't support that. He had a lot of business failures, huge financial losses and "bad deals". Far from some business super-star... although he did have a enough success to stay in business and out of jail.

Another factor that helped his popularity was his media presence... again not something I believe positioned him to be a good government leader.

I was surprised Trump beat out the field of 16 Republicans in the primaries. I think another factor was people voting for what he was not... in other words, just sick of the same old establishment crap that got us to that point in time.

It'd be reasonable to assume a lot of people outside of New York prior to The Apprentice/2004 had heard of Trump in a limited way, with the focus probably being on his tabloid exploits a la Marla Maples and the like. For those of us who lived closer to New York during the 1980s and 1990s, there were a few reporters back then who took a hard look at the Trump businesses beyond the surface image. The conclusions they drew were at direct odds with the image Trump portrayed.

I do remember several Trump supporters in the runup to the 2016 election actually saying to me that Trump's bankruptcies and the like were just par for the course in doing business. His failures and comebacks were actually a plus for them, because many of these people had been teetering on bankruptcies on a micro level themselves for years: Americans love a comeback story. It didn't matter when I pointed out the particulars of, say, his New Jersey casino venture, and how ineptly that was run. Or how after that debacle Trump took money from dubious foreign sources of income because most American lending institutions wouldn't give him money because they saw him as a bad investment who would eventually likely purposely default on his loans and end up settling for pennies on the dollar.

And the impact of the image of The Apprentice shouldn't be underestimated with these voters. Trump must be a huge success, they reasoned, because I saw it on tv.

And I'd have to agree that if as a voter you were tired of the same old song and dance, Trump - along with Sanders - appeared to be the one true wild card during the primaries/elections. When Trump initially announced, part of me thought he didn't have much of a chance. Another part of me thought that none of the other 16 were exactly approaching a stellar rate of velocity, either. Just too many of them, for a start. Too many also rans, fringe players who never had a shot and were clearly in it for nothing other than something to do to raise their profile for future tv gigs or the lecture circuit. Unlike the rest of them, Trump didn't give a shit. He mostly said whatever he wanted to say whenever he wanted to say it.

[ZahZoo]

Not to come across as cheeky, but the standard is along the lines of: so what if Trump is a crook? Everyone else is, too!

Hardly a ringing endorsement.

Yeah, as I stated it... it's a crappy standard not worthy of endorsement.

I question why people place so much value on a candidate releasing their past tax returns.

What are we measuring/assessing? Sources and/or levels of income? A value judgement of the accounting firm they chose and methods applied? Few people prepare their own tax filings... even fewer understand the thousands of pages of complex tax codes in play. So what do the numbers tell us?

Or... shall I be so bold as to propose it's all about people being nosy and then applying some snooty gossip fodder... oh look at him/her and all their money..?