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  • DLR Bridge
    ROCKSTAR

    • Mar 2011
    • 5470

    #16
    They've always been a half step down for Dave. You go a whole step and the strings just don't have enough tension and the sound/tone gets a little too buzzy I think. I need a more guitar smart person to tell me whether I'm full of shit on this one or not.

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    • ThatArtGuy
      Foot Soldier
      • Jan 2004
      • 672

      #17
      You play everything a step down, you don't loosen the strings.
      I brought my pencil!!!

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      • DLR Bridge
        ROCKSTAR

        • Mar 2011
        • 5470

        #18
        How do you tune down without the tension of the strings getting loose all around?

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        • ThatArtGuy
          Foot Soldier
          • Jan 2004
          • 672

          #19
          You do standard tuning, just play a step down. Unless everything you play is a low E.
          I brought my pencil!!!

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          • Casemeister
            Head Fluffer
            • Feb 2004
            • 212

            #20
            Originally posted by ThatArtGuy
            You do standard tuning, just play a step down. Unless everything you play is a low E.
            For a band like VH, that cannot and will not happen.
            Waylon Jennings: 1937-2002. RIP, Hoss!

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            • NIN1211
              Head Fluffer
              • Jan 2012
              • 386

              #21

              Hey psycho, please get out of my Van Halen T-shirt before you jinx the band and they break up.

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              • DLR Bridge
                ROCKSTAR

                • Mar 2011
                • 5470

                #22
                Never saw that before. Good stuff.

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                • VAiN
                  Use my hand, I won't look
                  ROCKSTAR

                  • Nov 2006
                  • 5056

                  #23
                  2004 Tour Meltdown...

                  Originally posted by Zing!
                  I've stated numerous times on this site that one of the proudest moments in my life was declining free tickets to their November 4th show at Hilton Coliseum in Ames, IA.
                  Funny, I was at that show too.. Ed wasn't terrible at that one. I really enjoyed Iowa. A day or 2 after the show we drove up to Nebraska and caught Dave at a Casino gig.
                  Originally posted by wiseguy
                  That shit will welcome you in the morning and pour the milk in your count chocula for ya.

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                  • DLR Bridge
                    ROCKSTAR

                    • Mar 2011
                    • 5470

                    #24
                    It's so annoying how it's been said by Ed that a reunion with Dave was actually looking and sounding good in '00 "until the lawyers got involved". What God damned lawyers made sure '04 with Sammy would work? I mean, fuck.

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                    • Va Beach VH Fan
                      ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 17913

                      #25
                      Originally posted by DLR Bridge
                      It's so annoying how it's been said by Ed that a reunion with Dave was actually looking and sounding good in '00 "until the lawyers got involved". What God damned lawyers made sure '04 with Sammy would work? I mean, fuck.
                      And EVH originally didn't want Mike during that tour as well....
                      Eat Us And Smile - The Originals

                      "I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth

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                      • DLR Bridge
                        ROCKSTAR

                        • Mar 2011
                        • 5470

                        #26
                        Dave mentions bass players trying out for the job in the "Reunion Blues" chapter. Mike's the goat.

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                        • BenJammin
                          Foot Soldier
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 533

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Casemeister
                          For a band like VH, that cannot and will not happen.

                          This is weird... I just noticed your sig... I've been listening to Waylon stuff like crazy for the last month or so (Willie and Jessi included !) a treasure lost. I still get chills with the opening line of 'I've always been crazy". I guess like a lot of us, I totally relate !
                          Last edited by BenJammin; 08-31-2013, 10:04 PM.
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                          • Halen High
                            Commando
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 1231

                            #28
                            Originally posted by DLR Bridge
                            It's so annoying how it's been said by Ed that a reunion with Dave was actually looking and sounding good in '00 "until the lawyers got involved". What God damned lawyers made sure '04 with Sammy would work? I mean, fuck.
                            I have often wondered about this. For starters, I believe Sammy's prime motivation was money and the promotion of HIS name, or brand. It's often been said that he is as much a business man as he is a musician. So once finances were solved, he would have signed anything to get back in VH, even allowing the brothers complete control. Just look at the total lack of effort to prepare for the Van Hagar tour and for the recording of those three horrible new songs, as an indicator of Sammy's willingness to go along with anything, so his name can again be attached to the 'Van Halen' name. In the end, Sammy got what he deserved.

                            As for the original plan - a CVH reunion - Dave's contractual demands would have been much greater and would have centred on not only money but creative issues. In other words...Dave cared about Van Halen's legacy, he has a more 'romantic' view of the band's history and he wanted to do it right. However, I doubt Eddie and Alex were ready to meet those demands in 2000. The hurt and bitterness of the 1985 break-up had not been dealt with on a real personal level and when it came down to the nitty-gritty of contracts, money, status within the band etc...the old anger surfaced and it fell apart. We know they jammed, wrote and recorded some tunes, made tentative plans for a tour...but I believe Eddie and Alex were not prepared to give any ground at that time.

                            In contrast, in 2011 I think it was the VHND that reported Dave was a full-fledged member of the band with equal voting rights, and The Hollwood Reporter published a story about the recording of what became known as ADKOT, going into detail about the switching of labels and the brother's determination to accommodate Dave's wishes in this area.

                            So there seems to have been a huge shift with the brother's attitudes from 2000 to 2006. I suppose the tour with Sammy would have been a reality check.
                            Last edited by Halen High; 09-02-2013, 03:16 AM.

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                            • Seshmeister
                              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                              • Oct 2003
                              • 35180

                              #29
                              Originally posted by ThatArtGuy
                              You play everything a step down, you don't loosen the strings.
                              That's not possible, especially for Van Halen music.

                              For a start you would need to retire every song that had a low E in it which is probably most of them.

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                              • ThatArtGuy
                                Foot Soldier
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 672

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Seshmeister
                                That's not possible, especially for Van Halen music.

                                For a start you would need to retire every song that had a low E in it which is probably most of them.
                                I know. That's why I said, "unless."
                                I brought my pencil!!!

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