Bill Graham's Vault Owner Gets Sued

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  • LoungeMachine
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    • Jul 2004
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    Bill Graham's Vault Owner Gets Sued

    BBC

    Rockers fight merchandise website

    Carlos Santana is among the acts trying to block sales on the website
    The owner of a US memorabilia website has been taken to court by several rock groups, who claimed he sold vintage recordings and souvenirs illegally.
    Grateful Dead Productions and Carlos Santana were joined by stars from Led Zeppelin and The Doors to bring the case against William Sagan.

    They said they had not given permission for the sale of recordings, posters and photos on his site, Wolfgang's Vault.

    Mr Sagan refused to comment, saying he had not been served with legal papers.

    His online shop offers thousands of rare audio and video recordings of concerts and performances.

    They were collected over a 30-year period by Bill Graham, a concert promoter who died in 1991.


    Bob Weir said Mr Sagan had stolen the musicians' work
    Mr Sagan bought his assets for $5 million (£2.6 million) from Clear Channel Entertainment three years ago.

    However, he "simply doesn't have the legal rights to exploit and profit from the extraordinary success of these musicians", according to Jeff Reeves, who represents the acts in question.

    Bob Weir of the Grateful Dead added: "We have never given permission for our images and material to be used in this way.

    "He is stealing what is most important to us - our work, our images and our music - and is profiting from the goodwill of our fans."

    The legal case, which is taking place in San Francisco, asks a judge to block any further sales, as well as awarding an unspecified level of damages and costs.
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  • FORD
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    • Jan 2004
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    #2
    Considering how the Dead has always openly encouraged fan taping and trading of shows, their words should be taken most seriously here. Nobody can write them off as industry whores like Lar$ Ulrich.
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    • LoungeMachine
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      #3
      Originally posted by FORD
      Considering how the Dead has always openly encouraged fan taping and trading of shows, their words should be taken most seriously here. Nobody can write them off as industry whores like Lar$ Ulrich.
      Or they can be held as blatant hypocrites.

      They don't own this stuff, the person who paid $5M does.....
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      • FORD
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        • Jan 2004
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        #4
        Bill Graham should have had the brains to leave them to someone more worthy in his will. The fact that BCE shills like Clear Channel are profiting from them is more than sickening.
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        • LoungeMachine
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          • Jul 2004
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          #5
          Originally posted by FORD
          Bill Graham should have had the brains to leave them to someone more worthy in his will. The fact that BCE shills like Clear Channel are profiting from them is more than sickening.

          Agreed.

          He could/should have left them to the RRHOF or to someone to build a San Fran museum in his honor.

          But he didn't.

          But suing this website means ebay would be next on the list.

          Dangerous precedent.
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          • Hardrock69
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            • Feb 2005
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            #6
            I could see them pervailing in court on the memorabilia issue.

            However as for the live shows, the artists who are suing do not have a leg to stand on.

            2 years ago the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the person who records a show, even if they are not authorized, owns the rights to the recording, and it is not illegal to record a show.

            As Bill Graham recorded and/or filmed shows HE was promoting, a) He had the right to film or record the shows, and b) from the moment he recorded them, he legally owned the rights to the recordings/films/videos.

            Wolfgangs Vault will not lose on the bootleg tape issue.

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            • LoungeMachine
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              • Jul 2004
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              #7
              Look, before this guy paid his 5Million, he had a team of lawyers look into his rights to sell the shit.

              These guys are looking for a settlement to make it go away.

              plain and simple
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