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  • Keeyth
    Crazy Ass Mofo
    • Apr 2004
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    Bush skipped ’70s drills, paper says

    Bush skipped ’70s drills, paper says
    Boston Globe: No punishment for missing training

    Reuters
    Updated: 1:54 p.m. ET Sept. 8, 2004


    BOSTON - President Bush fell short of meeting his military obligations during the Vietnam War and was not disciplined despite irregular attendance at required training drills, The Boston Globe said Wednesday.

    In a re-examination of the president’s service in the Texas Air National Guard, the newspaper said Bush appeared to have broken his contract with the U.S. government by not joining an Air Force Reserve unit when he moved in mid-1973 to Massachusetts from Texas.

    The military records of Bush and of his Democratic opponent, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, who was decorated for his service in Vietnam, have featured prominently in the campaign for the presidential election on Nov. 2.

    Republicans have made Bush’s leadership of what he calls a global war on terrorism central to his campaign.

    In February, the White House released hundreds of pages of Bush’s military records that showed he was absent for long periods of his final two years of National Guard duty but said nonetheless he met service requirements.

    However, the Globe focused on documents Bush signed in 1968 and again in 1973 in which he pledged to meet training commitments or face a punitive call-up to active duty.

    The Globe said in July 1973, before Bush moved from Houston to Cambridge, Massachusetts, to attend Harvard Business School, he signed a document saying: “It is my responsibility to locate and be assigned to another Reserve forces unit or mobilization augmentation position. If I fail to do so, I am subject to involuntary order to active duty for up to 24 months... “



    Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett told the Washington Post in 1999 that the future president had served at a Boston-area Air Force Reserve unit after leaving Houston. But Bush never joined a Boston-area unit, the Globe said.

    “I must have misspoke,” Bartlett, now White House communications director, was quoted as telling the Globe in a recent interview.

    White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, responding to the Globe report Wednesday, said, “The president was honored to serve his country. He met his obligations, and was honorably discharged.”

    The Globe also looked at a 1968 pledge by Bush in which he committed to “satisfactory participation” at Guard training, including 24 days of weekend duty each year and 15 days of active duty each year.

    No service for six months
    But the newspaper said he performed no service over a six-month period in 1972 and nearly a three-month stretch in 1973 — erratic attendance that could have prompted his superiors to discipline him or order him to active duty in 1972, 1973 or 1974.

    Instead, Bush’s unit certified in late 1973 that his service had been “satisfactory,” the Globe said.

    The National Guard and reserves, rarely called up during the Vietnam War, came to be regarded as “draft havens for relatively affluent young white men,” the Air National Guard says in a history on its Internet site.

    The Pentagon on Tuesday released 17 pages of what it called newly found records concerning Bush’s service that showed he flew 336 hours in a fighter jet, most recently in April 1972, and ranked 22nd out of 53 pilots when he finished flight training at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia in 1969.

    The pages did not resolve the dispute over whether Bush completed the service as required.

    Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe said the details about Bush’s service undermined his credibility. ”These new documents show that the president did not serve honorably,” McAuliffe said, accusing Bush of either lying about his record or suffering “some kind of severe memory loss.”

    A pro-Kerry group, Texans for Truth, plans to run television commercials this week questioning Bush’s Guard attendance. A group backing Bush, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, has said in its own commercials that Kerry lied about his Vietnam war record.

    Copyright 2004 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters.
    URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5943420/
    Knowing and believing are two very different things.

    It is the difference between the knowledge we accrue... ...and the knowledge we apply.
  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    #2
    Who cares ??

    It's not about what he did yesterday, It's what he's doing today...


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    • Keeyth
      Crazy Ass Mofo
      • Apr 2004
      • 3010

      #3
      It gives him no right to question Kerry's war record, and if you wanna talk about what he's doing today, well... ...he should be in jail for THAT!
      Knowing and believing are two very different things.

      It is the difference between the knowledge we accrue... ...and the knowledge we apply.

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      • ELVIS
        Banned
        • Dec 2003
        • 44120

        #4
        George Bush NEVER questioned Kerry's "war record" !!!

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58787

          #5
          No, he just hired his cousin John Ellis O'Neill and his Swift Boat Liars Against Truth to do it for him.
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          • Big Train
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            • Apr 2004
            • 4013

            #6
            Will SOMEONE please pick a fucking path? When Kerry was getting his licks it was "It doesn't matter what happened then", now that it is bush it's drastically important. I'm fine either way, just tell me which it is.

            If this is true, then they are still equal. I'm sure it will turn out that Kerry filled out and bullshitted the forms for his "Awards". The fucking US NAVY doesn't even believe his story. Just sign the form John and we can sort this all out. All this is still too little, to late....

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            • BigBadBrian
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jan 2004
              • 10625

              #7
              Originally posted by Keeyth
              It gives him no right to question Kerry's war record
              I don't believe he ever did, you nitwit.
              “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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              • ELVIS
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                • Dec 2003
                • 44120

                #8
                That's what I said several threads ago...

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                • BigBadBrian
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 10625

                  #9
                  Originally posted by FORD
                  No, he just hired his cousin John Ellis O'Neill and his Swift Boat Liars Against Truth to do it for him.
                  FORD, where in the blue hell do you get that this guy is Bush's cousin? Huh?
                  “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                  • ELVIS
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 44120

                    #10
                    He makes it up...

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                    • rustoffa
                      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 8959

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Big Train
                      Will SOMEONE please pick a fucking path? When Kerry was getting his licks it was "It doesn't matter what happened then", now that it is bush it's drastically important. I'm fine either way, just tell me which it is.

                      If this is true, then they are still equal. I'm sure it will turn out that Kerry filled out and bullshitted the forms for his "Awards". The fucking US NAVY doesn't even believe his story. Just sign the form John and we can sort this all out. All this is still too little, to late....
                      All this talk about big old school dollars protecting fortunate sons is, quite frankly, nauseating.

                      So what if W ran sorties to the beer store?

                      Who the fuck cares if Kerry jumped around in briar bushes and got wounded?

                      Bill Clinton is sippin' fluids and clinging to life as we know it!

                      If questionable service records are of any relevance, think about the guy in the hospital.

                      Here's to baby food and IV's!

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58787

                        #12
                        Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                        FORD, where in the blue hell do you get that this guy is Bush's cousin? Huh?
                        The FAUX News employee (and Bush cousin) who called Florida for Junior was named John Ellis.

                        Jeb's full name is John Ellis Bush.

                        The Bush family is notorious for "recycling" names

                        Ellis is not a common middle name.

                        O'Neill has numerous connections to the BCE political machine. (William Rehnquist, Bob Perry, etc)
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                        • ELVIS
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                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          #13
                          What a fucking paranoid conspiracy!

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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 58787

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ELVIS
                            What a fucking paranoid conspiracy!

                            Care to refute anything I just said?
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                            • Big Train
                              Full Member Status

                              • Apr 2004
                              • 4013

                              #15
                              Couldn't you (or one of your "sources") check the birth records, a public document? it's just a theory right now. If it checks out, why havent the liberal media jumped on it? Are they lazy?

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