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ELVIS
09-12-2004, 06:33 PM
20 minutes ago

By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, Associated Press Writer (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&ncid=721&e=6&u=/ap/20040912/ap_on_re_eu/russia_terrorism)

MOSCOW - Russia has the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes on militant bases abroad, Russia's defense minister said Sunday, citing the school hostage crisis. He said Moscow and the United States see eye to eye on fighting terrorism.

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Sergei Ivanov did not say what countries might be possible targets for a strike, but Russian officials in the past have said Chechen separatists have bases in nearby Georgia, and Moscow has had friction with that country's pro-U.S. government over the issue.


President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites) has blamed international terrorism for the school hostage crisis at Beslan in southern Russia where at least 330 hostages died on Sept. 3. He lashed out at those in the West who continued to advise Russia to conduct peace talks with rebels in Chechnya (news - web sites), sneering that they should negotiate with Osama bin Laden (news - web sites).


President Bush (news - web sites) visited the Russian Embassy in Washington on Sunday, signing a book of condolence for victims of the school hostage seizure and expressing outrage at the actions of "evil terrorists."


"The atrocities that took place in the school were beyond comprehension," the president told reporters.


Ivanov told the NTV television channel he had spoken twice with U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld last week, adding the U.S. administration was more receptive to Moscow's arguments on how to fight terror than some European officials.


"The Americans and the U.S. military have a better understanding of the seriousness of this threat since we and the United States have both been targeted in powerful terror attacks," Ivanov said in the television interview.


"In that sense, it has been easier for us to find a basis for mutual understanding with the United States than with some of the European nations."


There was no immediate U.S. comment on Russia's right to pre-emptive strikes. Speaking Sunday on Fox television, Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) said the school seizure and other recent attacks in Russia highlighted the need for stronger global anti-terror efforts.


"We have to do even more together to make sure the civilized worlds join together in the war against terrorism," Powell said.


In Sunday's interview, Ivanov repeated an earlier statement that a "pre-emptive strike may involve anything, except nuclear weapons."


"They have declared a war on us, we have come under attack, so all means are good in a war," he said. "We have permanent readiness units, precision air-launched weapons and so on."


Officials have identified some of more than 30 attackers in the school seizure as Chechens, and have said that others included Arabs and citizens of other nations.


Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said the school hostage-taking was directed by Shamil L Basayev, the most notorious of the warlords leading Chechen rebels who have been fighting Russian forces for five years.


Lavrov also said Aslan Maskhadov. Chechnya's president from 1996-99, was connected to the hostage-taking.


An envoy for Maskhadov, Akhmed Zakayev, told the German magazine Der Spiegel that he and Maskhadov had offered to negotiate during the crisis and Maskhadov's followers have no connection with Basayev.


Ivanov said many of the hostage takers had been eager to save their own lives and "Not all of them were suicide attackers. In the first night after the seizure ... some of the terrorists left the school to explore possible ways of retreat."


In an apparent attempt to exploit reported dissension among Chechen rebels, a Russian security official said Saturday that Chechen militants are eligible for a $10 million reward for information about top rebel leaders.

On Saturday, the newspaper Gazeta reported that the hostage-takers' leader was believed to be Ruslan Khuchbarov from neighboring Ingushetia.

The newspaper said the raiders' leader has not been identified as being among the dead militants, but deputy prosecutor-general Vladimir Kolesnikov said the leader was among the dead.

On Saturday, the Interfax news agency cited the Russian health ministry as saying 353 people wounded in the attack remained hospitalized, including 216 children.



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BrownSound1
09-13-2004, 12:53 AM
My heart goes out to the Russian families who lost loved ones. I also think that Russia has every right to take care of business, when it comes to terrorists. It is a shame that only now after they have this awful ordeal happen, that they finally see it from our point of view.

DrMaddVibe
09-13-2004, 07:32 AM
That's all fine and good there Vlad...where was your nutsack when Bush and the UN needed it?

What? You went swimming in the Baltic Sea in January and it just now popped out...oh, ok!

I still can't believe that the US was ever scared of these goobers!

JCOOK
09-13-2004, 12:50 PM
I guess nowadays you have to get your own ass kicked before you decide to take action

Seshmeister
09-13-2004, 01:46 PM
What happens when they decide that there is a base in Saudi then?

Or Israel?

One of the guys they blame is in London as a political asylum seeker.

He's come out strongly against terrorism.

John Ashcroft
09-13-2004, 07:03 PM
I'd be for a Saudi hit...

DrMaddVibe
09-13-2004, 07:26 PM
I'd hit it!

Big Train
09-13-2004, 07:58 PM
I don't know if Im for all out war. I'd much prefer roving CIA death squads which just kill these guys very quietly. Deny them the ability to show their countrymen that they are martyrs. The deal is bad enough for them as is, if you deny them that supposed glory, so much more so. It's about deterring, not conquering.

BITEYOASS
09-13-2004, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Brownsound1
My heart goes out to the Russian families who lost loved ones. I also think that Russia has every right to take care of business, when it comes to terrorists. It is a shame that only now after they have this awful ordeal happen, that they finally see it from our point of view.

when Russia starts fighting, it ain't gonna be pretty. Plus they'll care less about civil and human rights toward terrorists, which may give them an advantage over us.

ELVIS
09-13-2004, 08:09 PM
Exactly...