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  • DLR'sCock
    Crazy Ass Mofo
    • Jan 2004
    • 2937

    Hidden Agenda: A National Draft in the Future?





    Hidden Agenda: A National Draft in the Future?
    By Howard Dean
    YubaNet.com

    Monday 20 September 2004

    A key issue for young Americans and their families to consider as they prepare to cast their votes in the upcoming presidential election is the real likelihood of a military draft being reinstated if President Bush is re-elected. President Bush should tell us now whether he supports a military draft.

    Here is the evidence that makes a draft likely:

    The U.S. Army has acknowledged that they are stretched thin and that finding new recruits is challenging. They recently placed 300 new recruiters in the field. Bonuses for new recruits to the Army have risen by 67 percent to a maximum of $10,000 and $15,000 for hard-to-fill specialties.


    The extended tours of duty have made service less attractive for both the regular armed forces, and particularly for the National Guard and Reserves. To meet this year's quota for enlistees, the Army has sped up the induction of "delayed entry" recruits, meaning they are already borrowing from next year's quotas in order to meet this year's numbers.


    Reservists are now being called away for longer periods. In 2003, President Bush dramatically extended the length of time for the Guard and Reserves deployment in Iraq. Extended tours of up to a year have become common.


    In a further sign of a lack of adequate staffing, the armed forces are now in the process of calling up members of the Individual Ready Reserves. These are often older reservists usually waiting retirement. They are typically in their mid-to-late forties, and have not been on active duty and have not trained for some time. Traditionally, they are only supposed to be called up during a time of national emergency. In 2001, President Bush authorized their call up but never rescinded this order even after he declared "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq in May of 2003.


    The Armed Forces are already chronically understaffed. In 2003, General Eric Shinseki testified before Congress that an additional 50,000 troops would be needed beyond what the Bush administration said would be necessary to stabilize Iraq after the invasion. The President ignored him. We do not have enough troops in Afghanistan to be able to stabilize the country, as shown by the continual putting off of elections well past their announced date. In an effort to free up yet more troops in the coming years, we are moving troops away from the Demilitarized Zone in Korea and reducing the number of troops on the Korean Peninsula at a time when North Korea poses more of a danger to the U.S. - not less. Because of the President's military adventurism, our Armed Forces are under enormous pressure. The only place to go for more troops is a draft.


    Selective service boards have already been notified that 20-year-olds and medical personnel will be called up first.
    President Bush will be forced to decide whether we can continue the current course in Iraq, which will clearly require the reinstatement of the draft. The Pentagon has objected to a draft but, the President has ignored other Pentagon recommendations in the past.

    American families and young people are owed an explanation about the President's plans. Will the President withdraw from some of our military commitments or will he reinstate the draft? We need to know that before we vote, not afterwards.



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  • Big Train
    Full Member Status

    • Apr 2004
    • 4011

    #2
    Umm, the Democrats are the ones crafting the legislation FYI...but thanks for scaring us Howie...

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    • Sgt Schultz
      Commando
      • Mar 2004
      • 1268

      #3
      Yup, the Dems are the ones who want the draft so they can exploit the whiners within and trumpet any draftee who may be killed in action in a "Bush War".

      Sorry libs, ain't gonna happen.

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      • knuckleboner
        Crazy Ass Mofo
        • Jan 2004
        • 2927

        #4
        no...the democrats who are pimping the draft concept want it to discourage any leader from actually using the troops in battle.

        after all, you look bad if you send in troops that never wanted to be in the army in the first place.

        personally, i see their point, but i think it's stupid.



        that said, you won't ever see another draft in the U.S.

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        • ODShowtime
          ROCKSTAR

          • Jun 2004
          • 5812

          #5
          considering how important this is you guys are pretty light-hearted about it. There's talk of extending the age to 34 (yikes!!!!)
          gnaw on it

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          • Sgt Schultz
            Commando
            • Mar 2004
            • 1268

            #6
            Originally posted by ODShowtime
            considering how important this is you guys are pretty light-hearted about it. There's talk of extending the age to 34 (yikes!!!!)
            I could only envision a draft if there was some huge military necessity, like a war with Chiner. And I suppose they'd draft people with certain needed skills no matter how old they were.

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            • wraytw

              #7
              Cock never fails to showcase his lack of critical thought. He's simply blinded by ideology.

              Don't want a draft, Cock? Well, you better start writing letters to Charlie Rangel, then.

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              • Cathedral
                ROTH ARMY ELITE
                • Jan 2004
                • 6618

                #8
                If my country needs my service for any reason, I am there, period.

                If you cannot "Man-The-Fuck-Up", and take your place in history then Canada is waiting for you.

                I am well fortified here at home to take the battle to the streets if need be to protect my homeland, baby.

                So as i said, If i am needed i would be "PROUD" to serve because fate is the pilot of our lives, not fear.

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                • DLR'sCock
                  Crazy Ass Mofo
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 2937

                  #9
                  ...and the blind died in the darkness...

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                  • freak
                    Sniper
                    • May 2004
                    • 980

                    #10
                    This is just the latest line of bullshit the left is peddling.

                    Because of Vietnam, you will likely never see another draft in this country.

                    The socio-political risks are just too high.

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                    • wraytw

                      #11
                      Simply put, we don't need people in our military that don't want to be there.

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                      • Cathedral
                        ROTH ARMY ELITE
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 6618

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DLR'sCock
                        ...and the blind died in the darkness...
                        But i'm not blind, and i'm a marksmanship award winner to boot, lol.

                        I love my country and the politics be damned if i have to take up arms to defend it.
                        Death shall come swiftly to those who i see from my porch.

                        I fear no man on this earth and i have no fear of dying either...I've been to the edge and i stood and looked down.

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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          #13
                          Originally posted by DLR'sCock
                          ...and the blind died in the darkness...


                          Take your medicine bitch!

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                          • Sgt Schultz
                            Commando
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 1268

                            #14
                            Note - Charlie Rangel votes against his own bill..........

                            House Republicans click delete on draft rumor e-mails
                            San Diego Union Tribune
                            By Devlin Barrett
                            ASSOCIATED PRESS
                            10:39 p.m. October 5, 2004

                            WASHINGTON – The specter of a new military draft is being dismissed as "the hoax of the year," but Republicans are still doing everything they can to kill the rumor that has spread like wildfire among young voters and worried parents.

                            Both parties accused the other of shameless political gamesmanship in a House vote Tuesday that saw Democrats and Republicans line up against a bill that would have paved the way for another draft.

                            The 402-2 vote, on a bill sponsored by a Democrat, was called by House Republicans hoping the vote will quash the persistent rumors which have seeped into the presidential campaign.

                            The concerns were fueled in part by an e-mail driven rumor mill and a public awareness campaign by Rock the Vote, a nonpartisan group that seeks to boost voting among young people.

                            Republicans blamed Democrats for the rumors and charged they want to scare young voters and their parents into voting against President Bush.

                            "This campaign is a baseless, malevolent concoction of the Democratic Party and everyone in this chamber knows it," said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas.

                            Democrats denied it, arguing the current situation in Iraq is reason enough to worry about the possibility of a draft.

                            "We're not trying to scare kids, this president's foreign policy is what's scaring the kids of this country," said Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio.

                            Even the lawmaker who originally offered the bill, Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., urged Democrats to vote against it, claiming Republicans were cynically trying to use the measure to escape election-season questions about the war.

                            Just two lawmakers, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., and Rep. Pete Stark, D-Calif., struck off on their own and voted for the measure.

                            "We are in a war, and not only a small segment of the population should fight in that war," said Murtha.

                            House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., said the lopsided vote was necessary "to expose this hoax of the year which has been needlessly scaring millions of young people."

                            Much of the Internet gossip circling the World Wide Web has suggested that Republicans, including the president, have a plan to surreptitiously bring back the draft if Bush wins a second term.

                            Democrats say draft worries are spurring voter registration on college campuses and among people in their 20s in urban areas.

                            "Everywhere they go on the Internet, all they see is the draft, the draft, the draft," said Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash. "The Rock the Vote effort among kids in this country is afire and they (Republicans) know it."

                            The Bush administration has strongly denied any plan to reinstate the draft, but the denials have not killed the rumor.

                            "There are some who have tried to bring this up as a scare tactic and that is highly unfortunate," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Tuesday.

                            Speaking to Iowa voters Monday, Bush said, "We will not have a draft so long as I am president of the United States."

                            Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has suggested the draft could be reinstated if voters re-elect Bush.

                            Kerry said his plan for Iraq, which calls for a summit and for allies to share a greater part of the burden, would not need a military draft.

                            Campaigning in Iowa on Tuesday, Kerry told reporters, "I've never said they're going to have a draft. I've said I don't know what they're going to do. I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to pursue a policy that guarantees we don't have to have a draft."

                            Rock the Vote said it is raising the draft issue because the presidential candidates haven't addressed it.

                            "This is not an Internet rumor," said Rock the Vote spokesman Jay Strell. "Young people in America deserve an honest and open debate about the possibility of a draft. Neither side has offered up what they're going to do to meet the current and future military needs."

                            The defeated measure would have required two years of military or civilian service of men and women aged 18-26. Senate Republicans said they will not consider such a measure.

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                            • Wayne L.

                              #15
                              Howard Dean belongs in a mental institution because he makes no sense politically most of the time while it's Charlie Rangel & the Democrats who who have called for the draft to be reinstated but was voted down in congress by the man himself & his party along with Republicans because he's a hypocrite.

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