Hey Panamark!

[Kristy]

I still couldn't find the exact article for you but did find an interesting interview with Eddie in the December 1996 of 'Guitar World Magazine' (Vol 16) in where he basically blames everyone and anything before him. So this is no new news - but I will post some quotes from Eddie himself for you so that I won't feel so bad about not finding the right article.


GW: "What were some of the naggin issues between you and Dave"?


The Village Idiot: "We're from different planets, we don't communicate. I'm not saying that he's a bad person at all - I actually fucking love the guy but I don't need all of his fucking negative energy around me."

Hmm...interesting since Roth (to me) wrote some of the most positive songs in the history of rock and roll. True, I'm not a Van Halen fan but you have to admit 'Jump' is such a feel good song. So, fuck you, Eddie.

GW: "What were your issues with Sammy?"

The Ponce: "He got irritated with me being involved with the lyric writing (no jokes, please - me) and he stopped being a team player. I'd say we had problems on every album except 5150. It came to a head when Sammy didn't want to work with producer Andy Johns and wanted to work with Ted Templeton instead, because Ted lets him get away with everything. Sammy was also dead against the 'Greatest Hits' package because he was afraid it would lead to comparisons between and Roth"

Gee, you think? Are you starting to see a pattern here?

GW: "Speaking of David Lee Roth, how did he come back into - and out of - the picture?"

The Brother Grim: "Dave happened to call me around the same time he heard Sammy quit because Warner Bros told him a 'Greatest Hits' was coming out and he had a few questions about the packaging. We were on the phone for 45 minutes and we apologized for things we had said back since high school...we were never really friends. I decided to drive over to his house and told him the basic idea was to do the CD half with him and half with Sammy, but Sammy wanted more of his songs than Dave's."


In other words, he used that lame excuse to fuck Dave out of the royalties he deserved; no concern or afterthought of what what the fans wanted. Eddie could care less about what Sammy thought but how convenient for him nonetheless to play the Sammy card. What a little fucker!


As for you, Panamark....

GW: "What was going to Dave's house like?"

The Town Drunk: We had a great time and just bullshitted. We smoked cigars and I hung out for about 3 hours. Then, I remembered that we had a song...'Human Beings' and I came up with the crazy idea that Dave sing on it. So I called Dave and asked him if he would be interested. And Dave said, 'sure, why not.' I was very clear that he wasn't in the band - that this was just a project. What I wanted to do was write five songs and pick the best two out of the five."

Somehow, I don't see Dave as saying "sure, why not." More like, "sure, let me talk to my lawyer to make for certain you don't fuck me over twice." As far as the "bullshitting" goes I can see the two of them together and Dave smacking him upside his head and asking, "dude, what in the FUCK is wrong with you!?"


As for the songs, Eddie went on to say "We had this pop song 'Me Wise Magic' and a shuffle 'Can't Get This Stuff No More.' Dave hated the song because of the line 'I know what you are thinking.' Dave thought it was too angry or something. I thought the song was majestic; it takes you on a ride with so many changes. I later nicknamed it 'The Three Faces of Shamus,' because of the 3 parts to the song. During the recording process, Dave and I were really becoming friends again; my heart wanted to believe that he had changed."

So first he said they were never really friends and then he said they we "becoming friends." Eddie, you make Kerry look good when it comes to indecision of an issue. So there's that take on any other songs he did with Roth - according to Eddie.

Anyway, that killed about 5 minutes...the feature goes on about the MTV awards and Eddie's choices with other vocalist he like to "work" with. I bet none of this helped, oh well. I'll keep on looking.

[MAX]

Not sure if this should be closed?

Shouldn't this be a PM?

I'll let my stellar mate Panamark decide.

[Kristy]

Oh, I'm sorry...I would have PM'd that to him but he had made mention of others who might be interested in hearing it. I don't know if the article already appears on the forum or not. I'll delete it if you want.

[guwapo_rocker]

Originally posted by MAX
Not sure if this should be closed?

Shouldn't this be a PM?

I'll let my stellar mate Panamark decide.

Why?

It was a good read....I don't know what the references to

Mark are about, and I don't care.

[DLRdelight!]

Crazy article my friend

[Matt White]

EVH peddled the same shit in an GUITARWORLD interview at the same time KRISTY. "DAVE sucks the life out of me" was his line in that interview. Funny, 'cause I remember EVH saying that DAVE accused him of "Only being happy when I was miserable" back when they first broke up back in 1985. Nice bit of REVISIONIST HISTORY by EVH.
I also love "We were becoming friends" bit. REALLY?!? Knowing now that EVH had ALREADY screwed DAVE out of his royalties around this time, makes EVH all the more devious. Shake DAVE's hand while stabbing him in the back with the other hand.
FUCK YOU EVH, YOU LYING SACK OF SHIT!!!!

DAVE OR THE GRAVE MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!

[Classic]

Who is Ted Templeton?

[sambo]

presume they mean Ted TempleMAN, Early VH producer...

[Panamark]

Kristy !!

Awesome read anyways ! It almost answers the question.
Ed was saying he had five songs for Dave to choose from.

How heartbreaking is it (as a fan or real Van Halen) to hear
Eddie say he was becoming friends with Dave again...

Cruel !

Thanks for posting this, there was info in there Ive never
read before. Im sure others will enjoy it too ! :D

[ZahZoo]

Originally posted by MAX
Not sure if this should be closed?

Shouldn't this be a PM?

I'll let my stellar mate Panamark decide.

Better take a break from the Sheep Pen bud... this mod stuff is going to your head... ;)

[Northern Girl]

Panamark,
What article is she trying to find for ya? Maybe someone else can help?

[Carmine Raguzza]

You know what gets lost in all of eddies "anti-dave" stuff, when Eddie was diagnosed with cancer, it was David Lee Roth who got involved and lended his friendship to Ed by referring him to his Dr. realtive who was a cancer specialist. I forget what the relation to dave was. To me, that shows yet another true level of class on Daves part.

[MAX]

Originally posted by ZahZoo
Better take a break from the Sheep Pen bud... this mod stuff is going to your head... ;)


Thanks a lot ZZ, that wont give me a complex or anything....... ;)

*sucking my thumb*

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by Panamark
Kristy !!

Awesome read anyways ! It almost answers the question.
Ed was saying he had five songs for Dave to choose from.



here are the titles of the leftovers dave refused to do:

it's about time
up for breakfast
learning to see

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by Carmine Raguzza
You know what gets lost in all of eddies "anti-dave" stuff, when Eddie was diagnosed with cancer, it was David Lee Roth who got involved and lended his friendship to Ed by referring him to his Dr. realtive who was a cancer specialist. I forget what the relation to dave was. To me, that shows yet another true level of class on Daves part.

and don't forget the note dave put in the newspapers immediately after hearing that ed suffered from cancer...

"my conndolences...you can whip this, champ...see ya down the road. D."

just imagine for a second what would have been if it was dave who became ill...no way the sisters would have had enough style to put out a quote like that...

[Panamark]

Originally posted by Northern Girl
Panamark,
What article is she trying to find for ya? Maybe someone else can help?


G'day NG,

I posted a thread called "DLR Biography" in MAIN.
The article alluded to there being more than two tracks
in 96. Kristy recalled reading an article about the song
selections around 96, and was trying to dig it up..

But what she posted here just about answers the question
anyway.

[Kristy]

And by the way, "LSD" meant "Lead Singer Disease" according to Eddie.

[scottydabodi]

I'd like to state for the record that there's a difference between a guy who KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING, and a guy with LSD... Dave knows EXACTLY what he's doing, and the whole "LSD" thing is Ed trying to DISCREDIT Dave, and put DLR's role in VH's success down to a minimum... AND Dave hooked Ed up with a Cancer-doc, THEN ED PULLS MORE BULLSHIT?!??!!!??!! FFFUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK EEEEEEDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ed=Douche.

[Matt White]

DAVID LEE ROTH does MORE classy things by accident than EVH has done on PURPOSE in his entire life!!!








DAVE OR THE GRAVE BABY!!!!

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by Matt White
DAVID LEE ROTH does MORE classy things by accident than EVH has done on PURPOSE in his entire life!!!

DAVE OR THE GRAVE BABY!!!!

EVH=DOUCHE EVH=DOUCHE EVH=DOUCHE EVH=DOUCHE EVH=DOUCHE!!!!!!!!!! Dave = CLASS. And that's the DAMNDEST bottom line I ever Bottom LINED!!! Dave hooks Ed up with a Doctor, THEN Ed tools DLR?!??!!!! What a fucking COCK!!!!!!

[Matt White]

"We were gonna be friends!!!"EVH
While sticking a knife in DAVE's back by reducing his share of royalties.
Friends like that DAVE (OR ANYBODY!!!)doesn't need!!!



DAVE OR THE GRAVE MOTHERFUCKERS!!!

[Kristy]

I'll type more excepts from the interview - if anyone gives a shit.

[Panamark]

Yeah - we give a shit Kristy ! go for it :)

[Bad Muthafucker]

Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
here are the titles of the leftovers dave refused to do:

it's about time
up for breakfast
learning to see

LMAO! how true....

[Northern Girl]

Originally posted by Panamark
G'day NG,

I posted a thread called "DLR Biography" in MAIN.
The article alluded to there being more than two tracks
in 96. Kristy recalled reading an article about the song
selections around 96, and was trying to dig it up..

But what she posted here just about answers the question
anyway.


Fairy nuff! ;) It was the "DLR has LSD" subtitle that made me wonder. I just read an article by Eddie not that long ago where he said that. And he actually said something positive about Dave. He said both Dave and Sammy have LSD but at least Dave never lied to him.

[Matt White]

Originally posted by Northern Girl
Fairy nuff! ;) It was the "DLR has LSD" subtitle that made me wonder. I just read an article by Eddie not that long ago where he said that. And he actually said something positive about Dave. He said both Dave and Sammy have LSD but at least Dave never lied to him.

I remember that interview Northern Girl. Typical EVH SPIN. EVERYBODY ELSE is screwed up but EVH. Listen, if DAVID LEE ROTH had LSD, EVH would NEVER leave his side. EVH is such a DRUG ADDICT, he'd make sure anybody with LSD was always nearby.

DAVE OR THE GRAVE BABY!!!!!

[Northern Girl]

Originally posted by Kristy
I'll type more excepts from the interview - if anyone gives a shit.

Here's the whole thing. Same interview I was talking about.

By Steven Rosen
Licensed from International Features Agency

By now, only the brain dead are unaware of the changes that have rocked the Van Halen camp. Singer Sammy Hagar is gone, his solid gold locks nothing but a memory. David Lee Roth, absent for over a decade, returned to appear on a pair of new tracks available on the band's Greatest Hits, the band's first such package ever. But despite feverish speculation that the flamboyant singer would rejoin Van Halen, fate and, in all likelihood, Eddie, deemed otherwise: Roth is out, history for the second time. Of course, Van Halen had a powerfully felt reason to reject a reunion that would, if nothing else, been a diamond-studded cash cow for the group.

"We're from different planets; we don't communicate," says Eddie of Roth. "We just don't see things the same way. I'm not saying that he's a bad person at all-I actually fuckin' love the guy. But I don't need that kind of negative energy around me. I don't know how to explain it, but Dave kinda sucks the life out of me."

So instead of David Lee Roth making a dramatic re-entry into the Van Halen fray, a dark horse candidate emerged and was handed one of rock's plum jobs outright. It is none other than the "More Than Words" man, Extreme's Gary Cherone. Cherone, known for his acrobatic stage antics and extraordinary vocal range, impressed Eddie with his quite manner: "He's like a brother. He's shy, he's a quiet guy and has no fuckin' attitude. He's just a beautiful human being. Plus, the guy sings and sounds like an angel."

Van Halen, who despises the politics of the music business as much as Roth revels in it, has, these past few uncertain months endured a romp through hell without sunscreen. In an intimate conversation which began at his Hollywood Hills hideaway and ended three days later with a frantic game of phone tag, he shared with Guitar World his view of Van Halen's massive implosion, and looked back at the 20 spectacular, if turbulent, years, captured on the new album, best of Van Halen, Volume One.

GUITAR WORLD: The last few months have been difficult ones for the band.

EDWARD VAN HALEN: Yeah, the last three months have been a full plate-and a few desserts I didn't plan on ordering. There had been a variety of conflicts brewing between Sammy and the band since I quit drinking on October 2nd, 1994. Then things really came to a head when we began work on the soundtrack to the movie Twister. It got so bad that I actually started drinking again.

GW:What were some of the more nagging issues?

VAN HALEN: Well, in the last couple of years Sammy went through a lot of changes; he divorced his wife of 23 years and, possibly because of that, stopped being a team player. He was especially irritated by the fact that I began to get involved with the lyric writing. Sammy would say, "You never complained about the lyrics before!" Well, I wasn't sober before, and I wasn't even listening to the lyrics!

We actually had problems on every album except for 5150. But things got really ridiculous when we started working on the music for Twister. Alex had called up the director, Jan De Bont, to ask him how closely he wanted the lyrics to relate to the movie. De Bont said, "Oh, please don't write about tornadoes."

So we put him in contact with Sam, who called me and said, "I had a great conversation with De Bont and everything is cool." Then De Bont rang me up and was like, "Uh, Sammy is a little strange. I kept telling him that he shouldn't write about tornadoes, but he still kept insisting that I fax him tornado-related technical jargon. Does Sammy just want to learn about twisters for his own personal reasons?" So what lyrics did Sammy come back with? "Sky is turning black, knuckles turning white, headed for the hot zone." It was total tornado stuff!

We had had the music for the song completely done for six weeks, during which time Sammy had refused to fly to the studio from Hawaii, and suddenly the deadline was on us and we had no lyrics. So I was on the spot, and I came up with the title "Humans Being" and a melody. When Sammy finally showed, he, [producer] Bruce Fairbairn and I ended up writing the lyrics together at the last minute. Sammy sang the track in an hour, because he had another flight to catch.

GW: There were a lot of rumors circulating that Sammy was unhappy with the band because he felt he was being forced into projects he didn't want any part of.

VAN HALEN: Sammy was dead against the Greatest Hits package, because he was afraid it would lead to comparisons between him and David Lee Roth. I said, "Wait a fuckin' minute, Sammy, this band has been putting out records for 20 years and never put out a greatest hits-but you already have two of them [Best of Sammy Hagar, 1992; Unboxed, 1994]!" In his mind, he was always a solo artist. He was only into being in Van Halen for the prestige of it.

GW: You've recently begun collaborating with super-producer Glen Ballard [Alanis Morissette, Aerosmith], who co-wrote the two new songs on the Greatest Hits. What was Sammy's reaction to that?

VAN HALEN: We had several band meetings with Sammy where we told him that if he wanted to continue with Van Halen, he had to stop running around doing all his solo shit and become more of a team player-and that that might involve collaborating on a lyrical level. He said, "No problem." We had another meeting to reiterate that after the premiere of Twister.

So right after that, we began working on this song "Between Us Two," which we thought it had amazing potential. Sammy Called Mike [Anthony, bass] one afternoon and said, "I heard that Glen has some great ideas for the song. I'm really excited." Then he called me that night to give me his fax number so I could fax over Glen's lyrics. Then, suddenly, he just started screaming at me: "This is a fucking insult! I ain't gonna sing someone else's bullshit!" I was totally startled. Finally I said, "Okay, forget the new lyrical treatment, but at least come down, take another pass at the performance and change a few lines." He just answered, "Yeah, well, whatever."

That's when I finally put my foot down. I said, "Sammy, if you're not at the studio by six o'clock tomorrow, don't ever bother coming back." The next day, he showed up like nothing had ever happened-like he hadn't yelled and screamed at me. Did he think I was some idiot who didn't remember what had happened the night before? I'm sober now, dude.

Glen and I were sitting there working on the song, and the opening line was something like, "I want to see you/I want to know who you are"-kind of a Dark Side of the Moon vibe, the premise being, "I want to touch your soul, I want to get to know you." Then Sammy decided to change it to some shit like, "I can't see your diamond ring/through your shining star." I was like, "Sam, please, Glen's got some great lyrics here, just go with them." His only reply was, "If I thought those lyrics were better, I would sing them... besides I have an eight o'clock plane to catch." And he just left. Glen and I were dumfounded. Then Glen asked me, "How long has this been going on?" I said, "Longer than I'd care to mention."

So anyway, that was the last straw. I called Sammy a bunch of times and, when he finally returned my call, I said, "Sam, if you want to make another record or do another tour, you've gotta be a team player." He finally said, "Yeah, goddamnit, I'm fuckin' frustrated. I want to go back to being a solo artist." And I said, "Thank you for being honest."

We ended up hanging up like everything was cool because it was all out in the open. He'd admitted that he wanted to do solo stuff. And I said, "Well, you can't be in a band and that, too, so see ya." I didn't fire him-he quit. I'll put it very simply: Dave and Sam both suffer from L.S.D.: lead singer disease. Except Dave never lied.

GW: How did Dave come back into the picture?

VAN HALEN: He happened to call me around the same time Sammy quit, because Warner Bros. had notified him that Greatest Hits was going to come out, and he had a few questions about the packaging and other details. I told him I didn't know yet, but would let him know next week. We were on the phone for about 45 minutes and we apologized for things we had said back in high school-even junior high. It was probably one of the best conversations I've ever had with him. Especially since as long as I've known him, we were never really friends. We were just from different planets. But band-wise, it just seemed to work. A few days later, instead of calling him, I decided to drive over to his house and fill him in.

GW: What was that like?

VAN HALEN: We just had a great time bullshitting. We hung out for three hours and smoked some cigars. About two weeks later, I realized that the only new track that we had for the greatest hits was "Humans Being," and I came up with the crazy idea of having Dave sing on a couple of new songs. We thought about it for a couple of days and said, "Yeah, why the fuck not?" So I called Dave and asked if he'd be interested. He said "Sure, I'm not doing anything." I was very clear that he was not in the band-that it was just a project. What I wanted to do was write five new songs and pick two out of those five.

We had a little bit of a difficult time because it was a struggle to find anything that would inspire him and that he could connect to. But during the process, Dave and I were really becoming good friends. In my heart I really wanted to believe that he had changed a bit. We worked and worked and he actually thanked me for hanging in there with him. And I said, `Well you're a trooper, however long it takes and whatever. It's about making it a good song. There's no time frame here, it doesn't have to be done tomorrow. I just wanted to find something you liked and I'm glad I found one."

GW: So the two of you were able to put all of your past acrimony behind you?

VAN HALEN: Oh, yeah, we were actually becoming friends. Before we went to the MTV Video Awards, we all sat down- [Van Halen manager] Ray Daniels, Dave, Al, Mike and I- because we knew we were going to get mobbed by the press. And it was actually Dave who said, "Let's tell the truth." Less to remember. And the truth is, we did two songs for Greatest Hits, we did two videos, and that's it.

We could go out there and make a killing on tour with Roth but we're not a nostalgia band. I would never just take somebody's money for playing old songs to bring back memories. If we ever did that with Roth, we'd have to write and record a new record and then play a few of the old ones. I'm sure a lot of fans of the band would love to see it-but some things are better left to memory.

GW: So why aren't you making a new record with David? Was there some sort of fracture?

VAN HALEN: Everything went to pieces at the MTV Video Awards. After we went out on stage to present the award to Beck, we started doing some interviews, and I was just telling the truth-"If we do a tour we'll have to write and record a new record. But before any of that can happen, I have hip replacement scheduled for December 16th, and that's going to put me out of commission for four to six months."

After doing a couple of these interviews, Dave's attitude changed. I asked him what was wrong, and he said, "Well, what's with this hip thing? Would you stop mentioning the hip thing?" I said "Okay, no problem. In the next interview I won't say a word about my hip." He turned to me and said, "You fuckin' better not." And man, I lost it! I yelled, "You motherfucker, don't ever talk to me or anybody like that again. Don't bother calling me anymore."

I thought he had changed, but two minutes on stage and a half-assed standing ovation and he turned right back into the old Dave that I hated.

[Kristy]

Yeah, that's the gist of it but not the entire interview. Wish I knew that - would have saved me a lot of typing. Doesn't matter though, Panamark is a decent guy so it was worth it.

[Panamark]

Great read Kristy ! Thanks for your effort. There is so much hope in
that whole article, that its torturous !!

Shows how close we got to the real deal again. And all because of
Ed's hip ?? Makes you wonder if Ed was blabbing on far too much
about it, or whether Dave wasnt cutting him enough slack..
Whatever the reason, I cant believe it got so close, and didnt happen.
Depressing really.

Thanks Kristy !