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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms

    Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms


    By Bill Gertz
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES


    Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.

    John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.







    "The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."

    Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloging the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.

    Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon, and possibly to Iran, he said.

    The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX, is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said.

    The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.
    Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita could not be reached for comment.

    The disappearance of the material was reported in a letter Oct. 10 from the Iraqi government to the International Atomic Energy Agency.
    Disclosure of the missing explosives Monday in a New York Times story was used by the Democratic presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, who accused the Bush administration of failing to secure the material.

    Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw said.
    "That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of [special explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said. "And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got there."

    The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.

    A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.

    The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6.
    "The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.

    The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime.
    According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken.
    It is not known whether the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N. team left the country before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.

    A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western intelligence services from learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.

    The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian intelligence chief, could not persuade Saddam to give in to U.S. and Western demands, this official said.
    A small portion of Iraq's 650,000 tons to 1 million tons of conventional arms that were found after the war were looted after the U.S.-led invasion, Mr. Shaw said. Russia was Iraq's largest foreign supplier of weaponry, he said.


    However, the most important and useful arms and explosives appear to have been separated and moved out as part of carefully designed program. "The organized effort was done in advance of the conflict," Mr. Shaw said.
    The Russian forces were tasked with moving special arms out of the country.
    Mr. Shaw said foreign intelligence officials believe the Russians worked with Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence service to separate out special weapons, including high explosives and other arms and related technology, from standard conventional arms spread out in some 200 arms depots.

    The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria, and possibly Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said.
    Mr. Shaw said he believes that the withdrawal of Russian-made weapons and explosives from Iraq was part of plan by Saddam to set up a "redoubt" in Syria that could be used as a base for launching pro-Saddam insurgency operations in Iraq.
    The Russian units were dispatched beginning in January 2003 and by March had destroyed hundreds of pages of documents on Russian arms supplies to Iraq while dispersing arms to Syria, the second official said.

    Besides their own weapons, the Russians were supplying Saddam with arms made in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and other Eastern European nations, he said.
    "Whatever was not buried was put on lorries and sent to the Syrian border," the defense official said.
    Documents reviewed by the official included itineraries of military units involved in the truck shipments to Syria. The materials outlined in the documents included missile components, MiG jet parts, tank parts and chemicals used to make chemical weapons, the official said.
    The director of the Iraqi government front company known as the Al Bashair Trading Co. fled to Syria, where he is in charge of monitoring arms holdings and funding Iraqi insurgent activities, the official said.

    Also, an Arabic-language report obtained by U.S. intelligence disclosed the extent of Russian armaments. The 26-page report was written by Abdul Tawab Mullah al Huwaysh, Saddam's minister of military industrialization, who was captured by U.S. forces May 2, 2003.
    The Russian "spetsnaz" or special-operations forces were under the GRU military intelligence service and organized large commercial truck convoys for the weapons removal, the official said.

    Regarding the explosives, the new Iraqi government reported that 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or high-melting-point explosive, and 141.2 metric tons of RDX, or rapid-detonation explosive, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or pentaerythritol tetranitrate, were missing.
    The material is used in nuclear weapons and also in making military "plastic" high explosive.

    Defense officials said the Russians can provide information on what happened to the Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of the country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.
    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    #2
    It's quite clear the UN prefers Bush not be re-elected.

    They want the Oil-for-Food investigation to die.
    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58759

      #3
      So let me guess....

      The Commies (Junior's soulmate Pooty Poot) stole it from Iraq.

      Then the Chechens stole it from the Russians. And they all got into their magic Terra Bus and drove to Mexico, right?

      Fucking Moonie fairy tales
      Eat Us And Smile

      Cenk For America 2024!!

      Justice Democrats


      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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      • BigBadBrian
        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
        • Jan 2004
        • 10620

        #4
        Originally posted by FORD
        So let me guess....

        The Commies (Junior's soulmate Pooty Poot) stole it from Iraq.

        Then the Chechens stole it from the Russians. And they all got into their magic Terra Bus and drove to Mexico, right?

        Fucking Moonie fairy tales

        Typical FORD m.o.....assault the source, not the facts.
        “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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        • Cathedral
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Jan 2004
          • 6620

          #5
          The fact that other Nations choose Kerry should make you wonder.
          They prefer a United States that can be bowled over as opposed to a United States that stands strong.

          This is the atmosphere that Clinton created over his two terms.

          If i were to vote for a Democrat, John Kerry is not him. that is my final decision on this Prsidential Election.

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58759

            #6
            Moonies are proven liars. So are the BCE - and they are very desperate liars right now.
            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • Jerry Falwell

              #7
              Ford, sorry man... but you have absolutely no grip on "reality".

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 58759

                #8
                Trust me, this whole weapons thing will be settled today, and the results ain't gonna agree with the Moonie fairy tale.
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • Jerry Falwell

                  #9
                  Originally posted by FORD
                  Trust me, this whole weapons thing will be settled today, and the results ain't gonna agree with the Moonie fairy tale.
                  LOL, I trust anything that you type on this forum about as much as I trust Kerry to be a leader.

                  PS- that would be... not at all!

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                  • ODShowtime
                    ROCKSTAR

                    • Jun 2004
                    • 5812

                    #10
                    Re: Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms

                    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                    The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria, and possibly Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said.
                    Documents reviewed by the official included itineraries of military units involved in the truck shipments to Syria. The materials outlined in the documents included missile components, MiG jet parts, tank parts and chemicals used to make chemical weapons, the official said.

                    1. How the hell could our intelsats miss that?????


                    2. Well, WTF do we do now? Invade Syria?
                    gnaw on it

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 58759

                      #11
                      Re: Re: Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms

                      Originally posted by ODShowtime
                      1. How the hell could our intelsats miss that?????


                      2. Well, WTF do we do now? Invade Syria?
                      No, we cringe in fear and stay home not voting, because big bad Pooty Poot stole Georgie's firecrackers
                      Eat Us And Smile

                      Cenk For America 2024!!

                      Justice Democrats


                      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                      • redblkwht
                        Full Member Status

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 4617

                        #12
                        Its hard to believe that Russia slips thru the back door &
                        steals these weapons while were there? c'mon..
                        like we DIDN'T know? someones lying over there..

                        EUAS

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                        • Cathedral
                          ROTH ARMY ELITE
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 6620

                          #13
                          Damn, there are only two ways this could have happened.

                          1) The explosives were moved prior to our troops arrival.

                          Or

                          2) They were removed after, and satellite pictures will tell the story.

                          Point is, Your Golden Boy Kerry placed his head in a noose by grabbing a News Headline to hammer Bush without facts.

                          That is the kind of knee-jerk reaction a Presidential Candidate should not engage in.
                          If that gives you comfort in the man then i am more worried about your mental health than who you vote for.

                          I hope it hangs him, and as the story unfolds it appears he yet again hitched his horse to the wrong wagon prematurely.

                          Whats even scarier is that no matter how fucked up his thought process is, or what misinformation he uses to attack Bush, you'll still vote for him.

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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 58759

                            #14
                            Right Now (pun not intentional) I'd vote for Sammy Hagar over Junior, because he might be awful, but he couldn't possibly be as bad or worse than the BCE.

                            I would draw the line if he wanted to make "Mas Tequila" the national anthem, however.
                            Eat Us And Smile

                            Cenk For America 2024!!

                            Justice Democrats


                            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                            • McCarrens
                              Foot Soldier
                              • May 2004
                              • 704

                              #15
                              Originally posted by FORD
                              Right Now (pun not intentional) I'd vote for Sammy Hagar over Junior, because he might be awful, but he couldn't possibly be as bad or worse than the BCE.

                              I would draw the line if he wanted to make "Mas Tequila" the national anthem, however.
                              Does it ever bother you that you are the ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLDwho talks about the BCE?
                              "The security around the hotel was ridiculous. This chick was pounding and screaming at my door until four or five in the morning....finally I said fuck it, and let her out of the room"

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