Latest Dave concert in Minnesota

[4771eddievan]

Just got back from the show. I will qualify my review by stating up front that I have seen a few shows on the VH tour this year so kinda unfairly that is what I have to compare to.
First, location: Mystic Lake casino in Prior Lake Minnesota. Ballroom probably held about 2000 people and it was pretty full although good seats were available up to the last minute. Not a very good place to see a show. Pretty sterile. He played the same basic set that he has played since he went solo back around 1985. I have seen him plenty of times over the years and I sadly say that to me, most of the aura is gone. I know that isn't popular on this board but I think if you really look objectively you will come to the same conclusion.
The sound was ok but the backup vocals were WAY loud. You could barely hear Dave over the rest of the guys. Most of my aging concert mates were pretty dead throughout the show. Dave did his best to get all us going but not much luck.
Daves banter with the crowd was his typical shtick. Amusing but kinda corny and in my opinion he never really connected. Dave made no efforts to make contact with the crowd, didn't sign anything and only shook about 1 hand. To me this is kinda sad and when you compare it to the VH tour it is apples and oranges. Anyone who went to the VH shows and sat within the rings (I got to twice) will know what I am talkin about. If I could speak to Dave I'd say, "Dude, you are playing a casino in Minnesota in November! Shake some hands and make some effort to get us fans wantin' to come back". He never even made eye contact... He just did that thing where he blabbed to that imaginary person in the crowd.
Daves voice seems ok thought there were a couple of spots where it broke. He moved pretty good and the kicks are still head height. He wore the exact same clothes as that other casion show so look at those pics.
OVerall, to me the show was good, ok, but nothing special. Maybe it was the crap location or the diseased crowd. I can only compare it to the VH stadium show that to me were pretty fantastic. I know that ain't a popular opinion here but facts are facts. Eddie and the boys are playing stadiums and Dave is playing casinos. I would love a real Dave/VH reunion as much as anyone but we all know that ain't gonna happen.
I'd like to see others comments - rip me to pieces.

[spmusicplyr]

im gonna rip ya. ive called a spaid a spaid a few times on this board and i've gotten crucified. im not gonna rip ya up

i love dave...the aura is gone. i saw him live in '03...fun show though.
i would love to see solo stuff. a little aint enough... yea!!

[4771eddievan]

does anyone else see the similarity?? I don't want to be an asshole but you all gotta kinda admit that The Diamond and Diamond Dave are closer than we all thought...

[scottydabodi]

Sounds like a biased review to me... anyone else go that is a DAVE fan?

[twonabomber]

handshaking...bah.

you wanna shake hands, become a politician.

[twonabomber]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
He wore the exact same clothes as that other casion show so look at those pics.


Ed's worn those pink pants for the whole friggin' tour...and Sam, let's not forget about his yellow capris and that stupid hat that we see him wearin' in every pic...but i mean, you should know that, you sat up close in the rings, and you seem to be a very objective type of idiot... ;)

and setlists...other than those two new songs, it's the same setlist VHagar's been flogging the last couple tours...but that shouldn't bother you, because you went TWICE.

sucker!

[spmusicplyr]

wow the diamond and diamond dave actually look similar.

hey man theres too much fighting here...fuck!

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by spmusicplyr
wow the diamond and diamond dave actually look similar.

hey man theres too much fighting here...fuck!

so don't come here and post shit...

[Panamark]

Hey 4771eddievan,

Who informed you that we care what you say ????

[Ravenheart313]

I was at the show and had a blast. I've seen Dave counting tonight 4 times.
1st with Van Halen in 1981 that was a great show.
2nd time was the Sky Scraper tour what can you say other then Ed shouldn't be able to carry Steve Vai's guitar case.
3rd time was at the Minnesota State Fair it was a good show
But tonight I thought Dave was on. The crowd seemed to be getting into it. I mean I got more pictures of the guys arm in front of me then I wanted too but what ya gonna do. No he didn't shake hands so what I saw Drowning Pool at the Rock nightclub last Wednesday and they didn't shake any hands either. They did do some signing after the show but what was Dave there for to Sing or sign stuff for fans????
He did was he was there to do. If you didn't like it why didn't you leave?
I got a lot of pretty good pictures tonight and I'll post them if anyone wants me to.

[DavidLeeNatra]

are you nuts??? post them !!!! :D

[ashstralia]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
does anyone else see the similarity?? I don't want to be an asshole but you all gotta kinda admit that The Diamond and Diamond Dave are closer than we all thought...

yes, they are both living legends......

[Ravenheart313]

Some of the photos

[Ravenheart313]

More

[Ravenheart313]

A little Air Guitar?

[Ravenheart313]

Dave being Dave

[Ravenheart313]

Put some feeling in to it...

[Ravenheart313]

That's all for now... I need to get some sleep...

[DavidLeeNatra]

THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!

[Ravenheart313]

I would have got better shots but the seats (not the best in the house and security was a pain in the but. So I shot them from my seat using the only zoom that I could with the low light. I have one zoom that would have shown if Dave shaved before the show but at such slow speeds they would have been so blurry you couldn't have seen anyway.
I was able to get about 200 shots in. About 45 or 50 that I would say are worth putting up. I'll get on that in the days to come and post some more. Had fun taking them and I'm glad I could share.

[fanofdave]

its always great to get updated DLR pics. Thanks!

[RogueHorseman]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
Eddie and the boys are playing stadiums...

Sheeeyeah!

Hahahahahahaha, that is funny. Where did you hear this? On the CBS Evening News with Dan Rather? Stadiums... hahahahahahahah !!

You sound real credible there, pal. Yep.... Mr. Objectivity himself, ladies and gentlemen.

[Golden AWe]

Originally posted by Panamark
Hey 4771eddievan,

Who informed you that we care what you say ????

He wasn't even in the show. This thread start is a fake one.

[4771eddievan]

hey Golden AWe, I was Tier C, Row S, seat 107 and 108. Fake thread and fake review? I think not. Sorry all you super fans don't want even close to an honest review. You are all exactly right, Dave is still just as good as he was in 1985 and nothing has changed.... Come'on... I saw the Eat'em and Smile tour too. That was amazing!!! An amazing band behind him, not a Weird Al look-alike and a bunch of other studio guys. Trust me, I still love Dave and all the music he helped create but sometimes you have to take that long hard look in the mirror. Sorry to burst all your bubbles.
And to those who rip on the VH tour, I saw them in 3 different states with varying numbers of crowds. St. Paul was full, Moline Il was near capacity and Fargo was empty. Why must you all be in this huge pissing match with a band that Roth was in 2 decades ago. Time to let go of some of the angst.

[lms2]

Great Pictures. Thanks for sharing.

[Golden AWe]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
hey Golden AWe, I was Tier C, Row S, seat 107 and 108. Fake thread and fake review? I think not. Sorry all you super fans don't want even close to an honest review. You are all exactly right, Dave is still just as good as he was in 1985 and nothing has changed.... Come'on... I saw the Eat'em and Smile tour too. That was amazing!!! An amazing band behind him, not a Weird Al look-alike and a bunch of other studio guys. Trust me, I still love Dave and all the music he helped create but sometimes you have to take that long hard look in the mirror. Sorry to burst all your bubbles.
And to those who rip on the VH tour, I saw them in 3 different states with varying numbers of crowds. St. Paul was full, Moline Il was near capacity and Fargo was empty. Why must you all be in this huge pissing match with a band that Roth was in 2 decades ago. Time to let go of some of the angst.

angst? what angst? who said dave is the same as '85? there are anonymoys users like you two, three a week who come here "to tell the truth". gets boring to hear the same shit over and over again, we already have threads for that. other kind of morons have "the sheep pen" and "now they're gonna put you into the pen". you sound like a wanker but please don't feed them.

you needed two seats? you must be a big boy?

why would you go to a hagar-concert? you must be a moron to buy 6 van hagar-tickets.

[Matt White]

Ravenheart313, BRAVO! 5 star vote to you sir!

And for the haters, who cares what a couple of pimply faced turdburglers think of DAVE.

Some of us appreciate DAVE now, as much as we did back in the day.

[4771eddievan]

ouch!
Good to see you all put out the welcome wagon for newer members...

If you read my review carefully I actually said that the show was good. I am not a basher of either group and I would hope you guys could be a little more critical. I kinda see that is not gonna be possible when you have a "sammy hagar insult generator" but at least give it a try.

I am not here to "tell the truth" or expose Dave. I am sure he's a great guy. I get the whole stage show thing he does but it seems a bit canned now.

and to quickly address the two seats thing (I'll give you credit for a good rip) I went with someone else and they were the ones who said "He looks just like Neil Diamond" when the show ended.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
Just got back from the show. I will qualify my review by stating up front that I have seen a few shows on the VH tour this year

Fucking Hagar fan. Typical. :mad:

[lms2]

David looks like David. Nuff said on that.

I try not to bash people for giving sharing their opinions, but you only have to read the name of this site to guess how any opinion taken that casts any shadow of doubt on the greatness that is DAVID LEE ROTH will be met.

Get over it.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by Ravenheart313
I would have got better shots but the seats (not the best in the house and security was a pain in the but. So I shot them from my seat using the only zoom that I could with the low light. I have one zoom that would have shown if Dave shaved before the show but at such slow speeds they would have been so blurry you couldn't have seen anyway.
I was able to get about 200 shots in. About 45 or 50 that I would say are worth putting up. I'll get on that in the days to come and post some more. Had fun taking them and I'm glad I could share.

Ravenheart, you're the best! Such good photography!. :D

Thank you for the great pics! Looking forward to seeing more. Glad you enjoyed the show! :)

[4771eddievan]

at least stirring this pot is kinda fun. I especially like how we all have to rate our "fandom" and worship the same God.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
Why must you all be in this huge pissing match with a band that Roth was in 2 decades ago.

Hey moron, look at the beginning of your first post. YOU came here and compared the two.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
at least stirring this pot is kinda fun. I especially like how we all have to rate our "fandom" and worship the same God.

thats what we do here...don't like it...get the fuck out!

[4771eddievan]

oh yeah, and in my review I am pretty sure I blamed the atmosphere. This was a diseased place to see a concert and the security staff (guy wearing the Tan suit coat especially...) were pricks. Kinda weird to go to a show and be able to walk freely with your arms spread between the front row and the front of the stage.

[lms2]

You would probably go to an AA meeting and complain that everyone you met had a drinking problem.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
I have seen him plenty of times over the years and I sadly say that to me, most of the aura is gone. I know that isn't popular on this board but I think if you really look objectively you will come to the same conclusion.
.

and a double fuck you for implying that we are lying to ourselves about the greatness that still is Roth. Folks here have seen him plenty on this tour and we all agree that NOTHING is gone. We don't need you or your opinion to open our eyes. :heyfu:

[4771eddievan]

you are all correct... It was the greatest show since the Beatles played their rooftop fairwell. You all should have seen Dave jumping off the rotating drum riser! I swear he was 40 feet in the air! Then he did this 19 foot karate kick and it went through a solid brick wall. I think he played for 10 hours just to appease the fans that would not stop asking for more! The chants of "we want more!" echoed throughout the halls of the 90,000 seat arena. It was amazing and I am gonna go to all the shows on the tour! Hell, I might even try to hitch a ride on the private jet that flies him all around the world.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
you are all correct... It was the greatest show since the Beatles played their rooftop fairwell. You all should have seen Dave jumping off the rotating drum riser! I swear he was 40 feet in the air! Then he did this 19 foot karate kick and it went through a solid brick wall. I think he played for 10 hours just to appease the fans that would not stop asking for more! The chants of "we want more!" echoed throughout the halls of the 90,000 seat arena. It was amazing and I am gonna go to all the shows on the tour! Hell, I might even try to hitch a ride on the private jet that flies him all around the world.

have a nice trip...don't forget your meds

[4771eddievan]

and I was convinced of the greatness of the show by all you uber fans who were not there. Thank you for your highly enlightened opinions.

[Matt White]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
and I was convinced of the greatness of the show by all you uber fans who were not there. Thank you for your highly enlightened opinions.
.

[High Life Man]

That's not even a picture of Neil Diamond. It's an impersonator.

And while Dave and Neil might share a common look and religion, but fact is ND still sells out 20,000 seat arenas. Good shows too.

[Golden AWe]

the sun is my god.

[diamondsgirl]

Hey matt

Maybe this one will stick around til Friday, huh?

[4771eddievan]

I haven't been to a Neil show, but after the responses on this board, I think I may. I may also try out the Jerry Falwell forums where the dogma is a little less in your face.
Funny, how all you fans who didn't go to a show can tell me that my OPINION is wrong. If you went and you liked it, GREAT. I am happy that you got value for your tickets. Personally, I thought it was a little canned.

[mouichke]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
you are all correct... It was the greatest show since the Beatles played their rooftop fairwell. You all should have seen Dave jumping off the rotating drum riser! I swear he was 40 feet in the air! Then he did this 19 foot karate kick and it went through a solid brick wall. I think he played for 10 hours just to appease the fans that would not stop asking for more! The chants of "we want more!" echoed throughout the halls of the 90,000 seat arena. It was amazing and I am gonna go to all the shows on the tour! Hell, I might even try to hitch a ride on the private jet that flies him all around the world.

Hey! Now that's funny right there!
I was at the show also. I have seen Dave: Fair Warning tour, Diver Down tour, 1984, Eat 'em and Smile, 2x in 2001 in MN. I was in the 1st row left of center last night with my brother. Dave let the 2 of us sing in the microphone during RWTD and let me sing during Panama. It was a great time be able to do that, and see him up close. He was doing his same old act with the crowd. He loved my buddys wife that we were with. Of course she flashed him. He wouldnt sign my book either. I made it easy for him; held the book up and had the Sharpie with the cap off.

I thought it was a great show. I was up front though. The room was horseshit! The crowd was bullshit. How many "Bluehairs" would you like at a DLR show? There was about 2000 people.

You know, everyone, the review that 4771eddievan has given us here is pretty much right on. I think the band was ok. The room was terrible, Dave was good but we cant expect a 1984 show. He is 50 fucking years old now. He does better than 95% of all 50 year olds do though. I think it is funny that he kind of has a little bit of a "gut" on him. Accept it, he is getting old.

Let's not rip this guy to shreads over an honest review that I think is pretty dead on.

[Matt White]

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
Hey matt

Maybe this one will stick around til Friday, huh?

Doubt it DG. 15 minutes of fame is the usual.

[diamondsgirl]

he should never have come in comparing a Roth show to a Hagar show.

and a gut? Are you nuts???

[mouichke]

Were you win the front row? He has just a little bit of a "gut" started. He has gained about 20 pounds or so since I saw him at the MN State fair. Who cares? I just thought it was kind of funny to see.

[diamondsgirl]

not at this show, no.

But looking at recent pics, he looks about the same as when I saw him. Look at post #14 in this thread. For example. I just don't see it.

[Switch84]

Originally posted by mouichke
Were you win the front row? He has just a little bit of a "gut" started. He has gained about 20 pounds or so since I saw him at the MN State fair. Who cares? I just thought it was kind of funny to see.


:D Ooh, Dave gained a few pounds! STOP THE PRESSES! ALERT PRESIDENT BUSH! WORLD CRISIS AHEAD.....DAVID LEE ROTH GAINED A FEW POUNDS!


:fucku2: :lol: What a hyper-critical statement. Show us your latest Vogue cover, Naomi. Let's see you work the catwalk, Tyra.

Davy Baby at 50 AND a middle age spread could still kick your ass!

[4771eddievan]

I don't know about the gut thing but I gotta go with the guy in the front row - my seats were a bit back there + plus I couldn't see with all the panties being thrown, people on each others shoulders, etc... It was just like the US festival! Now I have become jaded - sorry.

[mouichke]

Ooh, Dave gained a few pounds! STOP THE PRESSES! ALERT PRESIDENT BUSH! WORLD CRISIS AHEAD.....DAVID LEE ROTH GAINED A FEW POUNDS!

Hey, I just thought it was funny. I am a guy who is getting older now, and that is just what happens when you get older. Like I said, he is in better shape than probably 95% or more of guys his age.

I MEANT IT AS A "FUCKING SIDENOTE"

[RogueHorseman]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
I don't know about the gut thing but I gotta go with the guy in the front row - my seats were a bit back there + plus I couldn't see with all the panties being thrown, people on each others shoulders, etc... It was just like the US festival! Now I have become jaded - sorry.

The deal is this, smart ass, you went to see van hagar -- what was it -- 2-3 times this sham tour and you think THEY sound/act/look/draw as they did in the day?

Think that all you may, but if so it is the absolute defination of delusional given the facts of the matter.

Oh, and speaking about being in or out of peak shape... what exactly does one call the shape Samuel Roy Hagar is these days?

Rotund?

[CROWBAR]

Go back to the links boy! Van Hagar selling out stadiums? Not hardly! I don't go to a show to watch the singer waste half the night signing things! That's what a fucking Meet & Greet are for jackass! When I spend a c-note for a band, I want my moneys worth!

From the pics, it looks like Dave is having a good time and connecting with the crowd.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by mouichke
Ooh, Dave gained a few pounds! STOP THE PRESSES! ALERT PRESIDENT BUSH! WORLD CRISIS AHEAD.....DAVID LEE ROTH GAINED A FEW POUNDS!

Hey, I just thought it was funny. I am a guy who is getting older now, and that is just what happens when you get older. Like I said, he is in better shape than probably 95% or more of guys his age.

I MEANT IT AS A "FUCKING SIDENOTE"

its cool mouichke...no worries...I just don't see it, and thats why I say "are you nuts?"

I know it wasn't the main point of your post

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
I haven't been to a Neil show, but after the responses on this board, I think I may. I may also try out the Jerry Falwell forums where the dogma is a little less in your face.


Ok, bye....

[mouichke]

He is in A LOT better shape than Spammy. That may even be an understatement

[Matt White]

It's MONDAY people. Time for all of the anonymous posters, aliases, and fruitbags to pop out of the woodwork and dazzle us with their wit & witticism. They even brought their own soapbox. Wake us when it's over.

[lms2]

Gut or no gut.... shaved chest or hairy... long blond hair or short brown...classic van halen, or purely original.... Dave is Dave, and in my books, that makes him the man. He always has been, and always will be. End of story.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
at least stirring this pot is kinda fun. I especially like how we all have to rate our "fandom" and worship the same God.

You know what's even more fun? Watching inept dipshits like yourself
wallow in a self-depraving display of attention hording.

Just get the fuck out of here.....re-register next week as "5150FLISTAFUCK" and tell us how great it was getting fucked up the ass by rodeo clowns after the sam and slave show.

[Switch84]

Originally posted by rustoffa
You know what's even more fun? Watching inept dipshits like yourself
wallow in a self-depraving display of attention hording.

Just get the fuck out of here.....re-register next week as "5150FLISTAFUCK" and tell us how great it was getting fucked up the ass by rodeo clowns after the sam and slave show.


:D Now that's what I call a BITCH SLAP! LMMFAOBT

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by lms2
Gut or no gut.... shaved chest or hairy... long blond hair or short brown...classic van halen, or purely original.... Dave is Dave, and in my books, that makes him the man. He always has been, and always will be. End of story.

Here, here :bottle:

[diamondsgirl]

rustoffa telling it like it is....:)

[Jano]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
I don't know about the gut thing but I gotta go with the guy in the front row - my seats were a bit back there + plus I couldn't see with all the panties being thrown, people on each others shoulders, etc... It was just like the US festival! Now I have become jaded - sorry.
WE all know that you're a sorry ass!

[Jano]

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
Here, here :bottle:

Bonjour Diamond girl!!

[CROWBAR]

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
Here, here :bottle:

I AM THE MACK! :D

[4771eddievan]

Hey hey, Nice venom! This forum kinda makes me think that the Halen brothers and Mikey broke it off to get the hell away from you "fans". I leave one review that you all don't grove on, and I am a "attention hoarding" "psycho" "etc...".
I'll take validation from someone who actually went to the show.

[ZahZoo]

Tough room 4771... Welcome to the Army and I see you've met a few of the Marines here too!! ;)

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
Hey hey, Nice venom! This forum kinda makes me think that the Halen brothers and Mikey broke it off to get the hell away from you "fans". I leave one review that you all don't grove on, and I am a "attention hoarding" "psycho" "etc...".
I'll take validation from someone who actually went to the show.

oh, you're still here???
wtf?

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
you are all correct... It was the greatest show since the Beatles played their rooftop fairwell. You all should have seen Dave jumping off the rotating drum riser! I swear he was 40 feet in the air! Then he did this 19 foot karate kick and it went through a solid brick wall. I think he played for 10 hours just to appease the fans that would not stop asking for more! The chants of "we want more!" echoed throughout the halls of the 90,000 seat arena. It was amazing and I am gonna go to all the shows on the tour! Hell, I might even try to hitch a ride on the private jet that flies him all around the world.

This guy sounds like a REAL class act... Listen, Hagar Sympathizers should GET LOST... As soon as you said you saw VH twice this year, we know where your loyalties lie. We knew that the review was not going to be anything other than "his band looks like 'Wierd Al's'"... Then just being a sarcastic dummy ON TOP of it just makes matters worse... did you particularly come here looking for a fight? If so, get a life, cuz we got other things to do... I can accept the fact that you didn't think the show was as good as US Fest., or the EEAS tour, but you must ALSO consider that Dave still rocks ass, and gives 100% of what he has on any particular night. As for his band of "studio guys", they've been with him for a coupla years now, and Brian Young is a MONSTER player... please remember that reviews by fans are one thing, but reviews by Hagar fans are a completely different ball game...
PS -"Wierd Al's" band has been with him for 23years...

[4771eddievan]

I think I may stick around. It is kinda like reading a dirty magazine.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
I think I may stick around. It is kinda like reading a dirty magazine.

thanks for the compliment. ;) maybe you are getting the hang of it

[4771eddievan]

I thought Brian Johnson was with AC/DC?? He looks different too... Once again, as someone who actually paid for and went to THIS show, I kinda think it was below where WE should want it. I too saw him at the Fair here and it was great. Saw him at another outdoor show in Maplewood - it was GREAT. This one - not SO great. IF you all want to be a bunch of un-thinking, un-critical drones, so be it, but I ain't gonna eat his turd and tell you it ain't shit.

[Switch84]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
Hey hey, Nice venom! This forum kinda makes me think that the Halen brothers and Mikey broke it off to get the hell away from you "fans". I leave one review that you all don't grove on, and I am a "attention hoarding" "psycho" "etc...".
I'll take validation from someone who actually went to the show.

:p If you weren't so "Link-ish", we wouldn't be so harsh! We're just treating you like the ATTENTION WHORE you are.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
Hey hey, Nice venom! This forum kinda makes me think that the Halen brothers and Mikey broke it off to get the hell away from you "fans". I leave one review that you all don't grove on, and I am a "attention hoarding" "psycho" "etc...".
I'll take validation from someone who actually went to the show.

Hmm....lets see, registered one day.
I know!
You went to the Dave show, became enamored with the Diamond one to the point where you decided to rush home, find a fan site, and share some common ground with fellow enthusiasts!

No, strike that.
In a tidal wave of sophmoric creativity, you decided to come to the site and make your first post extremely agitative as well as "current eventish". Guess what Aristotle? You aren't the first cat-turd-brained cretin to giggle our way. Pull your fucking pants up, turn the computer off and go pour yourself a nice tall glass of ice cold clorox.

[ctiger2]

Saw the show last night also. To me there is no Van Halen without David Lee Roth as the frontman. This is the first time I have seen Roth live and I have never seen Van Halen w/ or w/o Roth. That being said...

The setting: The show was pretty corny being held in a casino and all. Had a Vegasy atmosphere to it. Not good for party rock n roll Van Halen music.

The crowd: The crowd was a mixture of mid 20's to late 40's. Alot of worn-out looking women there. The crowd seemed pretty tame for the most part. Mostly due to the fact that the show was being held in a lame location. A large bar or small auditorium would have been much better.

The music: The band was very good at reproducing Van Halen music live. The harmonies were right on.

Dave: Dave was Dave. He has an unrelenting smile and a very magnetic personality. I could have sworn he was running in the back to do lines of coke or something. Not sure if he does drugs anymore though. But he was sure happy! Dave was good at cracking his little corny jokes to keep the crowd entertained. Dave's voice was pretty good... Not even close to the old Van Halen days. Seems like he can do most of the low singing stuff and occasionally belts out a nice scream. There is just so many screems in the old Van Halen music...how can we expect a 50 year old man to still do this? Dave is still very athletic. Can your 50 year old parents jump in the air and do a roundhouse kick? I don't thinks so.

Conclusion: I think rock 'n roll music such as Van Halen is a young man's thing. Part of the appeal with the old Van Halen was Dave's sex appeal. Let's face it, the guy was in great shape, very athletic and could scream like a madman. None of this is the case anymore. It is in a way kind of sad to see Dave like this. I was excited to see Dave but in a way I felt nostalgic and sorry for him. I would like to remember him as the high flying, long haired, charismatic, screaming frontman for one of the greatest party rock 'n roll bands of all time. Would I see Dave again? Probably not...especially in a Casino or any other corny venue. Would I see Dave w/ a Van Halen reunion? Definitely. Dave is Van Halen as far as I am concerned.

[Thetruthbaby]

Trust me when I tell you, people who are saying Dave has lost it are hagar fans in disguise. I saw DLR last year at Universal Amp in L.A. and in Anaheim at House of Blues and he was great both times. Crowds at both places were going apeshit the entire time. On their feet and singing along to almost every song. His voice was fine. If you're trying to say he's lost it because he's not exactly like he was in 81' or 84' then you're a fool. Of course he's slowed down a little. JUST LIKE EDDIE & ALEX have slowed down. And hagar is losing his voice, NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT. I've seen several reviews from newspapers that have echoed this sentiment in addition to my own first hand account of hagar NOT being able to hit the highs in many songs when I saw the DLR/hagar tour in 2002. Not to mention hagar is ridiculously out of shape now and is bulit like my dad. I saw "fans" reviewing DLR in 2002 on the DLR/hagar tour and they were saying at the L.A. show that I attended that the crowd wasn't into Dave. TOTAL BULLSHIT. The crowd was on its feet the ENTIRE time during DLR's set. During hagar's set as soon as M Anthonly left the stage literally hundreds of people went to the bathroom/consessions. I'll NEVER forget it. I saw no such mass exodus during Roth's set. DLR's band kills VHagar at this point and DLR is in much better shape than Bozo the clown. Typical hagar fans. Don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

[guwapo_rocker]

Dave's band makes Eddie, Alex and MA look like

Hanson!!

[4771eddievan]

Have you guys and gals ever thought about re-naming the site "rotharmynorthkorea.com" If you want a bunch of drones telling each other how cool they are as fans then enjoy what you got. To be a true fan is to be critical. And if you actually read the review I posted (and confirmed by others who ACTUALLY WENT TO THE SHOW), I said it was good. Sorry it wasn't great.

[ctiger2]

I agree with 4771eddievan. I liked the show. Beleive me. I flipping hate Van Faggar. Roth is the MAN. But, to be honest...his voice is gone. Which is too bad cause I grew up listening to him. To me there are only 6 Van Halen albums...the first 6. It's just too bad that Roth's voice is shot. I personally confirmed there will be no Roth Van Halen reunion because Roth's voice couldn't handle singinig 3 nights per week. No Way! There is a reason there has not been a reunion. Dave's voice is pretty much gone..... : (

[Warham]

Originally posted by ctiger2




The crowd: The crowd was a mixture of mid 20's to late 40's. Alot of worn-out looking women there.

LMAO! I had to quote that line. Cracked me up.

[Diamondjimi]

Hey ,cool pics 313.!!!
Keep on posting 'em folks.................

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
Have you guys and gals ever thought about re-naming the site "rotharmynorthkorea.com" .

Roth ARMY suits us just fine. Sums up the vibe here.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by ctiger2
I agree with 4771eddievan. I liked the show. Beleive me. I flipping hate Van Faggar. Roth is the MAN. But, to be honest...his voice is gone. Which is too bad cause I grew up listening to him. To me there are only 6 Van Halen albums...the first 6. It's just too bad that Roth's voice is shot. I personally confirmed there will be no Roth Van Halen reunion because Roth's voice couldn't handle singinig 3 nights per week. No Way! There is a reason there has not been a reunion. Dave's voice is pretty much gone..... : (

you guys were at the same show? Cuz 4771 said "Daves voice seems ok thought there were a couple of spots where it broke". And you are saying his voice was gone. Which was it?

My beef with 4771 has nothing to do with what he said about the show. I was not there. It was the way he compared it to Van Hagar.

FUCK THAT !!!

[4771eddievan]

all I said was that his voice broke a couple of times and that the backing vocals were way loud. I gave it a good rating, but some of the Dave aura had worn off for me. That could be a crap local, a boring crowd, harsh security, whatever. To me some of it was that Dave seemed a bit canned. It's not the end of the world - not every show is amazing or great - it was good/ok.
The VH comparison was cause that is what everyone here does. Half of the freakin' posts on this forum are about VH. Dave has been out of the band for 2 decades.

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
Have you guys and gals ever thought about re-naming the site "rotharmynorthkorea.com"

Another remark that make SHEEP so easy to spot.

[interceptor]

I was at the show....first off, let me say that MAJOR props are due to Dave's band, particularly Ray Luzier (on the heavy artillery, as Dave would say), and Brian Young. Every time I see these guys they amaze me at the way they total do justice for classic VH music. The show was typical of what we've already seen in '03, pretty much the same showmanship and setlist. Dave was slightly more talkative this time around, which was pretty amusing. I got a chuckle or two out of his "stand up". All in all, I won't bore you with another review. We're all fanatics, and this is what we expect: Dave was Dave, and his band was stellar. Enough said. Anyone speak Pakistani???

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
all I said was that his voice broke a couple of times and that the backing vocals were way loud. I gave it a good rating, but some of the Dave aura had worn off for me. That could be a crap local, a boring crowd, harsh security, whatever. To me some of it was that Dave seemed a bit canned. It's not the end of the world - not every show is amazing or great - it was good/ok.

See? Presenting your opinion in a reasonable, non-insulting manner wasn't so bad, now was it?

[interceptor]

By the way, I forgot to mention, the guy who earlier posted that security was a pain....I saw them around, but it didn't stop the people around me from taking pics. I bet about 5 people near me (5th row, off to left by rhythm guitarist Hikata?) were shooting away through the whole show. In fact, I swear Dave even posed for 1 or 2.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
See? Presenting your opinion in a reasonable, non-insulting manner wasn't so bad, now was it?

some things seem to take all day...lol

[4771eddievan]

my review was reasonable from the start but that is neither here nor there. Thanks everyone for the creative and vulgar rips - good material that I am sure to steal. Some of you might be a bit sensitive but fandom will make you do that.

[4771eddievan]

My beef bout the security was that there was a huge gap between the front row and the stage and the guy was patrolling the area - kinda a kill joy. I would argue that my review was always very FOX news like - "Fair and Balanced". (conservative red state fuck nuts - I digress) Thanks to those who attended and largely had my back. To my detractors - keep rippin on this DLRarmy virgin. You made it fun and I can't wait to hear more clever references to my weight, to my intellegence, to me being a secret agent poser of some sort, etc... Keep on keepin on

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
Half of the freakin' posts on this forum are about VH. Dave has been out of the band for 2 decades.

Flat out amazing ain't it?

[guwapo_rocker]

Originally posted by ctiger2
I agree with 4771eddievan. I liked the show. Beleive me. I flipping hate Van Faggar. Roth is the MAN. But, to be honest...his voice is gone. Which is too bad cause I grew up listening to him. To me there are only 6 Van Halen albums...the first 6. It's just too bad that Roth's voice is shot. I personally confirmed there will be no Roth Van Halen reunion because Roth's voice couldn't handle singinig 3 nights per week. No Way! There is a reason there has not been a reunion. Dave's voice is pretty much gone..... : (

His voice was great on thursday all the way through!!:D

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
my review was reasonable from the start but that is neither here nor there. Thanks everyone for the creative and vulgar rips - good material that I am sure to steal. Some of you might be a bit sensitive but fandom will make you do that.

:lol: Your review of the show is in the minority and that is why you are singled out and ripped on. It's very doubtful that this is a reliable opinion since I and everyone else reviewing the show gave it a raving stellar performance, two thumbs up, rim jobbing, knob polishing, flag waving, ball tickling, pussy pounding, nipple tweaking giblet dropping good time! So thanks for your "opinion" and your "unbiased" review... move along.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
: two thumbs up, rim jobbing, knob polishing, flag waving, ball tickling, pussy pounding, nipple tweaking giblet dropping good time!

damn, and I missed it! :D

(good call on flag waving! :) )

[Ravenheart313]

I made a comment on security also, What I meant by what I said was that I was in Tier B Row K Seat 160 I tried to get down to the next level to get near the stage and take some better pictures. This was not going to happen. It was Mystic Lake security... I would have pushed my way past and got the pictures I wanted but didn't want to risk being carried off to some burial ground and never seen again... We'll have none of that. Besides I got some good shots and Dave Rocked the house.
All and all a good night.

[Big Troubles]

I was referring to this post:


“ Originally posted by 4771eddievan
my review was reasonable from the start but that is neither here nor there. Thanks everyone for the creative and vulgar rips - good material that I am sure to steal. Some of you might be a bit sensitive but fandom will make you do that. ”

[TwoFoolsAMinute]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
See? Presenting your opinion in a reasonable, non-insulting manner wasn't so bad, now was it?

Reasonable...not me!

First off, 4771eddievan, fuck off. don't come into my house and insult my momma.

Second, I was at that show, front row. I was standing against the stage the whole show. Security walked right up to the guy next to me who was holding a digital camera up in the air taking pictures and said not a word. Everyone in the place was friendly that I encountered.

Third, Dave and his band kicked so much ass theyre still cleaning it off the walls. No, he can't still scream every note of RWTD, but he is vocally more sound now than he has been in 15 years. He's got the scream when he needs it. He's singing more of the lyrics to the songs than he has most of his career. He forgot no words. And his voice is still plenty good, and is still the voice of Van Halen and beyond

Fourth, his stage presence was great. He came over to the crowd often and looked into our eyes. He looked me in the eye several times during the show. He put the mic down into the crowd several times, and as far as his shtick, I didn't go to a Dave show to get Pearl Jam. I went to get a Dave show. I wouldn't expect anything less.

Fifth, No, he didn't sign autographs for people sticking stuff up to him out of the crowd. He decided to sing and put on a show instead. He could have done a Hagar and skip most of the song signing t-shirts, but I kinda appreciate that we got a show instead.

Dave is a Legend. I was honored to be in the same room with him. And the onlything wrong with the venue was that there were too many fucking sheep in there distracting the Roth Fans.

[diamondsgirl]

Great post!

[scottydabodi]

TwoFools, I'd vote for ya again if I could Brutha!!! Great Post!!

PS -Nice Avatar...

[Dave IS VH]

I went to the show and it kicked ass.

I was Teir A Row D, right in the middle I do have pics I can try to posts. Does anyone have any auto of the concert they can post? Dave had some great lines and I would like MP3's of them.

[Switch84]

Originally posted by TwoFoolsAMinute
Reasonable...not me!

First off, 4771eddievan, fuck off. don't come into my house and insult my momma.

Dave is a Legend. I was honored to be in the same room with him. And the onlything wrong with the venue was that there were too many fucking sheep in there distracting the Roth Fans.


:D This is it in a nutshell, TwoFools! 5 points for ya, Baby!

[Switch84]

:D :D :D LMMFAOBT! Davy Baby the LEGEND is being played on the radio just as I posted my last post!

DROP DEAD LEGS!!!!!!! (Drop Dead, Van Fagar!)


Big props to English Nick kicking the REAL Van Halen here in the ATL!!!

[Northern Girl]

Originally posted by TwoFoolsAMinute
Reasonable...not me!

First off, 4771eddievan, fuck off. don't come into my house and insult my momma.

Second, I was at that show, front row. I was standing against the stage the whole show. Security walked right up to the guy next to me who was holding a digital camera up in the air taking pictures and said not a word. Everyone in the place was friendly that I encountered.

Third, Dave and his band kicked so much ass theyre still cleaning it off the walls. No, he can't still scream every note of RWTD, but he is vocally more sound now than he has been in 15 years. He's got the scream when he needs it. He's singing more of the lyrics to the songs than he has most of his career. He forgot no words. And his voice is still plenty good, and is still the voice of Van Halen and beyond

Fourth, his stage presence was great. He came over to the crowd often and looked into our eyes. He looked me in the eye several times during the show. He put the mic down into the crowd several times, and as far as his shtick, I didn't go to a Dave show to get Pearl Jam. I went to get a Dave show. I wouldn't expect anything less.

Fifth, No, he didn't sign autographs for people sticking stuff up to him out of the crowd. He decided to sing and put on a show instead. He could have done a Hagar and skip most of the song signing t-shirts, but I kinda appreciate that we got a show instead.

Dave is a Legend. I was honored to be in the same room with him. And the onlything wrong with the venue was that there were too many fucking sheep in there distracting the Roth Fans.


I agree 100%. Great fuckin' show. Dave's voice was better than ever. Security was nonexistent on the right side off the stage. Everyone was bellied up. It was a free for all. Dave grabbed some hands (okay only women) and made plently of eye contact (okay, mostly women). The stories were hilarious and not the same old schtick. The crowd was a strange mix; but only because of the venue being a casino and members get discounts and shit. Whatever. Who was paying attention to the crowd? Sorry, when Dave's in the room; I don't see anyone else.

[4771eddievan]

one more time. I said the show was good. All I said about Dave's schtick was that it was the same - I found it funny and amusing, but I heard that Dick/Strawberry joke years ago. Do you folks even want any review of the show?? Don't kill the messenger. Like I said before, if you all want to sit in a circle and jerk off to pics of Dave and then rave about it - go ahead. I remember when fans used to be demanding and actually care about what they heard (oh yeah, one more time - I said the show was GOOD).

[Loki]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
one more time. I said the show was good. All I said about Dave's schtick was that it was the same - I found it funny and amusing, but I heard that Dick/Strawberry joke years ago. Do you folks even want any review of the show?? Don't kill the messenger. Like I said before, if you all want to sit in a circle and jerk off to pics of Dave and then rave about it - go ahead. I remember when fans used to be demanding and actually care about what they heard (oh yeah, one more time - I said the show was GOOD).

How many times must thou offer someone a shit sandwhich and they decline before you take the hint, knave?
Fuck off 'ya cunt!

[4771eddievan]

wow - a "knave"... Did you just log off your Everquest site?

[Loki]

if thou insist on prancing and playing the part of the jester, thou will be treated accordingly baseless fool.
back down in the dirt ,worm!

[4771eddievan]

let me guess, you look like Comic Book guy from the Simpsons?? Or is this DLR London making an entrance to the fray?? I can't wait to hear your clever middle english response...

[Loki]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
let me guess, you look like Comic Book guy from the Simpsons?? Or is this DLR London making an entrance to the fray?? I can't wait to hear your clever middle english response...

methinks thou art lost. thine NAMBLA meeting is on another site. get thee gone pillow-biter!

[Carmine]

Originally posted by guwapo_rocker
His voice was great on thursday all the way through!!:D

F yeah it was! absolutely great!

[4771eddievan]

just promise not to shoot me with your Phaser or some other intergalactic toy you worship... Why dons't thou go back to D&D. You surely didn't attend the show so eat shit.

[Loki]

prattling dog, thou will be dealt with in due time. get thee behind the army, jackal. thou attended the pet shop boys concert, braggart. hawhahwahwahaw!!!

[4771eddievan]

what do I even say to a dumbass that speaks like Comic book guy?? Do you spend just 23 hours a day on the net or the whole 24? At least your inane banter is bringing a smile to my face.

[Loki]

thine endless bandinage is a testimony to thine folly. cur that thou art, bow before the army, dog son of a serving wench. thou art truly a flea among stallions. away with thee.

[diamondsgirl]

LMAO @ Loki and the NAMBLA reference. :D

[Loki]

this shiftless wretch frequents such debauchery, fair lass. he soils the army with his idiosyncrasies and his tomfoolery. witless fool that he is.

[4771eddievan]

boy, wonder how he knows about NAMBLA. That last post was a real good one. Does the Loki name come from The Legend of Zelda on your playstation?? Fuckin' wizard wannabee....

[4771eddievan]

Loki, are you the "guy" who buys all those big swords and crap at the local Renaissance festival? That must be fun dressing up like a knight and pretending you live in the 16th century. Do you have a crystal dragon and a pewter wizard holding a crystal ball next to your copy of Eat'em and Smile??
I'll take my rips from the rest of you DLR army but even the rest of you have to admit that this clown is kinda a douche bag...

[Loki]

hawhaw! fool. thou art the NAMBLA national spokesperson, thou foppish dandy. thine knuckles drag the ground before thee. thine mouth never closes in sleep. thou art yet another buffoon here to suffer the jeers of the faithful. take thine jaundiced eye and foolish rancor with thee when thou dost leave these fair people.

[4771eddievan]

ouch... your verbal jabs . . . are... . killing. . .me... At least I wish they would if I have to read anymore of your tripe. BORING mr Middle Earth. Your Tolkien Book is getting cold, you best get back to your Hobbit tales.

[Loki]

:D thine endless gesticulation is a tribute to thine folly. thine emblem is a braying ass, all volume and cipher substance. flog thine heathen ideology further, it amuses the army to see thee cavort, simpleton.

[Loki]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
I'll take my rips from the rest of you DLR army but even the rest of you have to admit that this clown is kinda a douche bag...

call out to the army now, thou base vacuous puppet. it will avail thee naught. thine duplicity and conduct have baranded thee a bestial halfwit. the army will have its way with thee and cast yea out into the abyss. huzzah huzzah.

[Golden AWe]

are you guys spamming or not?

you write dull

try posting some porn instead to make it even a little interesting

[Bill Lumbergh]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan




Daves banter with the crowd was his typical shtick. Amusing but kinda corny and in my opinion he never really connected. Dave made no efforts to make contact with the crowd, didn't sign anything and only shook about 1 hand.
.


HARD CORE VAN HAGAR FAN ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dont want Diamond Dave signing autographs all night bitch..........

[4771eddievan]

Sorry it took me so long to respond. Some of us have to work a bit and don't have the luxury to be living in Mom's basement and jerking off all day - of course Loki - it appears you have some time to go through your science fiction dictionary and use words like huzzah huzzah... my oh my is that lame.

[diamondsgirl]

I want Mr. Grimsdale's huge cock pic in here.

Please???

[Golden AWe]

post porn fuckers

[Bill Lumbergh]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
Sorry it took me so long to respond. Some of us have to work a bit and don't have the luxury to be living in Mom's basement and jerking off all day - of course Loki - it appears you have some time to go through your science fiction dictionary and use words like huzzah huzzah... my oh my is that lame.

I knew this was a Spammy troll :rolleyes: Yeah none of us are at work right now...........in fact I'm about to emulate you by getting into my big white van and picking up high school chicks to fuck and dump in the woods...........

[4771eddievan]

I am all for porn viewing too. Too bad all Loki's porn is drawings from 1559 (or that era at least).

[Loki]

:D porn. hawhawhaw.

[Golden AWe]

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
I want Mr. Grimsdale's huge cock pic in here.

Please???

you got it

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by Golden AWe
you got it

you are such a tease

[Golden AWe]

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
you are such a tease

speak for yourself. i just saw your avatar and i heard a big bang under my writing desk...

[diamondsgirl]

let me know when it starts to lift off the ground :)

[Golden AWe]

oh. is this called "the dirty talk"?

i'm new to these things.

[ctiger2]

After having some time to reflect on my recent attendance to the DLR concert in MN I need to retract some of my earlier comments. I had said I wouldn't see Dave again. Now, I feel that I would see him again most definitely. Dave rules! I think going into the show I had pretty high expectations & unrealistic ones because I have never seen him or Van Halen live before. After having some time to digest what I experienced I now realize how fortunate I was to be able to see Dave live and can now only hope for a reunion.

[4771eddievan]

too bad he is now mr. paramedic...

[Northern Girl]

Originally posted by ctiger2
After having some time to reflect on my recent attendance to the DLR concert in MN I need to retract some of my earlier comments. I had said I wouldn't see Dave again. Now, I feel that I would see him again most definitely. Dave rules! I think going into the show I had pretty high expectations & unrealistic ones because I have never seen him or Van Halen live before. After having some time to digest what I experienced I now realize how fortunate I was to be able to see Dave live and can now only hope for a reunion.

Hey, better late than never. Most people who have any negative comments about Dave make the same mistake. They feel the need to compare. Compare his voice to how it sounds on the recordings. Compare his moves to 25 years ago. Compare a small theater show to a Van Hagar arena show. Comparing is the only way some people have to evaluate an experience.

I went there expecting to hear great classis VH songs sung by the only voice that deserves to be singing them. And I was not disappointed. The rest was all icing on the cake.

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by Northern Girl
Hey, better late than never. Most people who have any negative comments about Dave make the same mistake. They feel the need to compare. Compare his voice to how it sounds on the recordings. Compare his moves to 25 years ago. Compare a small theater show to a Van Hagar arena show. Comparing is the only way some people have to evaluate an experience.

I went there expecting to hear great classis VH songs sung by the only voice that deserves to be singing them. And I was not disappointed. The rest was all icing on the cake.

that's a big 5 post, sweetheart !!!

[Terry]

Originally posted by 4771eddievan
Just got back from the show. I will qualify my review by stating up front that I have seen a few shows on the VH tour this year so kinda unfairly that is what I have to compare to.
First, location: Mystic Lake casino in Prior Lake Minnesota. Ballroom probably held about 2000 people and it was pretty full although good seats were available up to the last minute. Not a very good place to see a show. Pretty sterile. He played the same basic set that he has played since he went solo back around 1985. I have seen him plenty of times over the years and I sadly say that to me, most of the aura is gone. I know that isn't popular on this board but I think if you really look objectively you will come to the same conclusion.
The sound was ok but the backup vocals were WAY loud. You could barely hear Dave over the rest of the guys. Most of my aging concert mates were pretty dead throughout the show. Dave did his best to get all us going but not much luck.
Daves banter with the crowd was his typical shtick. Amusing but kinda corny and in my opinion he never really connected. Dave made no efforts to make contact with the crowd, didn't sign anything and only shook about 1 hand. To me this is kinda sad and when you compare it to the VH tour it is apples and oranges. Anyone who went to the VH shows and sat within the rings (I got to twice) will know what I am talkin about. If I could speak to Dave I'd say, "Dude, you are playing a casino in Minnesota in November! Shake some hands and make some effort to get us fans wantin' to come back". He never even made eye contact... He just did that thing where he blabbed to that imaginary person in the crowd.
Daves voice seems ok thought there were a couple of spots where it broke. He moved pretty good and the kicks are still head height. He wore the exact same clothes as that other casion show so look at those pics.
OVerall, to me the show was good, ok, but nothing special. Maybe it was the crap location or the diseased crowd. I can only compare it to the VH stadium show that to me were pretty fantastic. I know that ain't a popular opinion here but facts are facts. Eddie and the boys are playing stadiums and Dave is playing casinos. I would love a real Dave/VH reunion as much as anyone but we all know that ain't gonna happen.
I'd like to see others comments - rip me to pieces.


Specify, specify, specify.

Dave went solo 'around' 1985?

Same basic set he's played since going solo? Inaccurate. Might have been more apropo to say same basic set he's been using since he resumed touring in earnest in 1999, although even that doesn't apply since you don't even bother to list what tunes he played.

Has been commented on already, but bears repeating: Van Hagar didn't play stadiums this year. Undermines your credibility.

"When you compare it to the Van Halen tour it is like comparing apples and oranges," but then you go on to say part of the reason the show wasn't as good as Van Hagar's is that Dave didn't slap as many hands as Van Hagar did, which seems comparative to me. When you preface your point with the apples to oranges analogy, this implies that there is no basis for contrast in the first place, which:

A) undermines what you then went on to profess later, and
B) is inaccurate as comparisons between Roth and Van Hagar
are inevitable

I have no doubt that you didn't think the show was all it could or should have been from your experience, and despite your clear Van Hagar bias I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in terms of your machinations, but when you are clearly mistaken on points of verifiable fact (not talking opinions here) and combine that with a general lack of information, your whole premise boils down to you liking the show but not being clear enough in your own mind as to why you couldn't rate it higher than you did without trotting out the typical "sheep" line of reasoning.

Doesn't wash here.

I enjoy reading dissenting views here that have some if not all of the elements of a well-thought, reasoned opinion. Suffice to say, your post doesn't fall under the category.

Look forward to you coming back and making another attempt when you're willing to put some effort into it. Remember: just because Eddie and Sammy can't be bothered to try doesn't mean you have to follow suit.