Democratic Party must be 'born again,' Carville says

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  • John Ashcroft
    Veteran
    • Jan 2004
    • 2127

    Democratic Party must be 'born again,' Carville says

    Democratic strategist James Carville said yesterday that the Democratic Party's losses last Tuesday were no fluke, and that they need to rethink exactly who they are and provide something more than a litany of policy proposals.
    "The underlying problem here is, there is no call to arms that the Democratic Party is making to the country," said Mr. Carville, the architect of Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign win. "We've got to reassess ourselves. We've got to be born again."

    Democrats are debating what went right and what went wrong in last Tuesday's election, in which President Bush won re-election over Sen. John Kerry, and Democrats also lost seats in both the House and Senate. Some have said there is no need for soul-searching, and blamed the losses on a difficult election-year map or a poor candidate at the top of the ticket.
    During the Democratic National Convention this summer in Boston, when Mr. Bush trailed in the polls, Mr. Carville said, "It would be the greatest political achievement of my lifetime" if he came back to beat Mr. Kerry.
    But yesterday, Mr. Carville said not only was it a great comeback, but coupled with the 2002 congressional-election losses, it shows it's time for Democrats to engage in a major re-examination.
    "We can deny this crap, but I'm out of the denial. I'm about reality here," Mr. Carville told reporters at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor. "We are an opposition party, and as of right now, not a particularly effective one. You can't deny reality here."
    He said the party is desperately in need of a compelling narrative to tell voters, rather than the "litany of issues" the party stands for now.
    He said Mr. Bush and Republicans presented just such a story: "These guys had a narrative — we're going to protect you from the terrorists in Tikrit and from the homos in Hollywood. That's it," he said. "I think we could elect somebody from Beverly Hills if they had some compelling narrative to tell people about what the country is."
    The other guests at yesterday's breakfast, both of whom worked directly for Mr. Kerry, said things weren't that grim.
    "The Kerry campaign was in a position to win," said pollster Stanley Greenberg, and chief consultant Bob Shrum said Mr. Kerry came within "60,000 votes in Ohio" of winning the presidency.
    Still, Mr. Greenberg said, the cultural issues at work in this election are strong, and could provide Republicans enduring gains, particularly among union households and Hispanic voters.
    Mr. Carville, who had just returned from a vacation at Disney World with his family and wife, Republican strategist Mary Matalin, at times seemed unable to put into words just how much of a hill Democrats have to climb.
    He said he is considering writing a book about what direction Democrats should go.
    One possibility, he said, was to embrace a reform-oriented, anti-Washington agenda. That would require the ability of members of Congress to reject pork projects for their districts and stake the party's fortunes on fiscal discipline.
    During the Carville-run 1992 campaign, Mr. Clinton, the last Democrat to win the presidency — albeit, both times with less than a majority vote — took on rap artist Sister Souljah and promised to focus on pro-business policies that would lead to economic growth.
    The three men yesterday said Democrats won't embrace the Republican position on cultural issues like the definition of marriage.
    "Some of the stuff I read is not going to happen," Mr. Shrum said. "The Democratic Party is not going to be better at competing with the Republican Party at being anti-gay. And frankly, I wouldn't be in that party. I would leave that party."

    Link: here

    I guess Carville is now part of the BCE, right?
  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58755

    #2
    Re: Democratic Party must be 'born again,' Carville says

    Originally posted by John Ashcroft


    I guess Carville is now part of the BCE, right?
    His wife certainly is. Carville's right about the Democratic party not being an opposition party, but then he's part of the problem - the DLC.

    Leave it to real Democrats like Dean, Kucinich, and Obama, to plot the future direction of this party.

    And myself, of course
    Eat Us And Smile

    Cenk For America 2024!!

    Justice Democrats


    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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    • Denny
      Banned
      • Oct 2004
      • 400

      #3
      Re: Re: Democratic Party must be 'born again,' Carville says

      Originally posted by FORD
      His wife certainly is. Carville's right about the Democratic party not being an opposition party, but then he's part of the problem - the DLC.

      Leave it to real Democrats like Dean, Kucinich, and Obama, to plot the future direction of this party.

      And myself, of course
      You won't win in 2008 either......

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      • diamondD
        Veteran
        • Jan 2004
        • 1962

        #4
        Obama I can see making something happen. What specifically are you going to do besides mod this site with an iron fist?
        Meet us in the future, not the pasture

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        • Denny
          Banned
          • Oct 2004
          • 400

          #5
          Originally posted by diamondD
          Obama I can see making something happen. What specifically are you going to do besides mod this site with an iron fist?
          HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49127

            #6
            Originally posted by diamondD
            Obama I can see making something happen. What specifically are you going to do besides mod this site with an iron fist?
            Can you blame him?

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            • aesop
              Commando
              • Oct 2004
              • 1400

              #7
              You watch!!!!! We'll see a Southern Christian moderate democrat emerge for the libs in '08. You read it here first.

              Then we can sit back and watch the Democratic party either completely implode as the leftists go ballistic with hate and anger, or they'll be seen as hypocrites who will do ANYTHING to get elected, just like Slick Willy.

              Remember now, that Slick told Katsup Boy that he sould be 'for the gay ammendment' thing' if the people were leaning havily in favor of it. I'll give KB some credit in that he didn't listen.
              Yo Yo Yo

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 58755

                #8
                Originally posted by aesop
                You watch!!!!! We'll see a Southern Christian moderate democrat emerge for the libs in '08. You read it here first.

                We had one of those in 1976. And he got elected. But then the Southern "Christians" turned on him and elected a Hollywood warmonger in his place

                Then we can sit back and watch the Democratic party either completely implode as the leftists go ballistic with hate and anger, or they'll be seen as hypocrites who will do ANYTHING to get elected, just like Slick Willy.

                Remember now, that Slick told Katsup Boy that he sould be 'for the gay ammendment' thing' if the people were leaning havily in favor of it. I'll give KB some credit in that he didn't listen.
                The idea of ammending the Constitution to deny civil rights to ANY segment of the population is absolutely sickening.
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • aesop
                  Commando
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 1400

                  #9
                  They didn't teach me in HS about the line in the Bill of Rights that said that Ass Pirates are covered under any definition of marriage.

                  Why can't you people realize that the only reason it keeps coming up at all is because it's been rammed down our throats from the liberals. If they stayed indoors, STFU, and did their butt-hole surfing in private, we wouldn't even be discussing it right now.
                  Yo Yo Yo

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                  • Cathedral
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 6618

                    #10
                    Originally posted by FORD
                    The idea of ammending the Constitution to deny civil rights to ANY segment of the population is absolutely sickening.
                    Not if it threatens the moral fibre in which this country was founded, my friend.
                    But lets not forget that it is the work of Liberal Judges that allowed these kinds of immoral issues to emerge.

                    The deeds of the wicked should not be accepted as normal in this society, it's that simple.
                    You do what you have to do in the name of moral preservation.

                    I will never accept homosexuality as an American Sponsored way of life, period.

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                    • Big Train
                      Full Member Status

                      • Apr 2004
                      • 4011

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      Can you blame him?
                      Absolutely, without a doubt...

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                      • Warham
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 14587

                        #12
                        No civil rights will be violated if gays aren't allowed to get married. As long as civil unions are kept intact, all the gays out there can run to the judges in their dresses and get hitched.

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49127

                          #13
                          Originally posted by aesop
                          They didn't teach me in HS about the line in the Bill of Rights that said that Ass Pirates are covered under any definition of marriage.

                          Why can't you people realize that the only reason it keeps coming up at all is because it's been rammed down our throats from the liberals. If they stayed indoors, STFU, and did their butt-hole surfing in private, we wouldn't even be discussing it right now.
                          You sound like you still are in (Junior) High School with the "Ass Pirate" tirade. I bet you snapped the other guys on their ass with a wet towel when they were taking a shower in the locker room, didn't you?

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49127

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Cathedral
                            Not if it threatens the moral fibre in which this country was founded, my friend.
                            But lets not forget that it is the work of Liberal Judges that allowed these kinds of immoral issues to emerge.

                            The deeds of the wicked should not be accepted as normal in this society, it's that simple.
                            You do what you have to do in the name of moral preservation.

                            I will never accept homosexuality as an American Sponsored way of life, period.
                            What moral fibre was that? The founding fathers had concubines and mistresses. And do you really think that people all of a sudden turned gay during the Clinton Administration?! You people are insane. There have always been gays, people cheating on their spouses, pre-marital sex, teenage pregnancy, and you guys act if this is some recent phenomena. Quite frankly, I am more worried about terrorists bringing over ex-Soviet Suitcase Nuclear Weapons, about getting a good job, and sending my kids to a good school, not about whether some guys next store are tailpipe commandos.

                            You're going to alter the Constitution---CONSERVATIVES MY ASS!

                            Maybe Jerry Falwell, the fucking cunt who applauded the terrorist flying their planes into the WTC can give me a nice lecture about morality. And greed, hypocrisy, hubris, and generally being a self-serving phoney cunt.

                            Let me ask you this? Have you ever discussed the evils of Gay Marriage with a guy that you know cheats on his wife? If so, did you keep a straight face? I know I did until I brought up that fact to a guy I know, Mr. Conservative squeaky clean (my ass), who bangs every chic he can find. He got really pissed when I mentioned people who cheat on their spouses, roughly 50% of the population, should have no opinion on the subject. Or as Jesus once said, "Let he who has never sinned cast the first stone."

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                            • Cathedral
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 6618

                              #15
                              Nobody's perfect, and i don't care what gays do in the privacy of their own homes. I just don't want to see it in public when i am out with my impressionable child.
                              My kid goes to a great school, I fucking pay for it because public schools are about everything but teaching anymore.
                              Poltical Correctness has ruined our society.

                              You can support all the sick and unnatural shit you want to, buddy, that is your right.
                              But i won't do it, not for a second.

                              Hell, I don't even think i'm Conservative anymore, neither party represents me at this point 100%.

                              I support Family Values, and last i checked gays couldn't create a family, and why is that?
                              BECAUSE IT'S UN-NATURAL!!!!!

                              I'm still waiting to hear about that "Gay" gene they are supposed to have.
                              Homosexuality is a mental illness, and until i see proof that people are in fact born gay? I ain't buying it, sorry, not happening.

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