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  • Pink Spider
    Sniper
    • Jan 2004
    • 867

    Congress Funds Mandatory Psychological Tests for Kids

    Dave Eberhart, NewsMax.com
    Tuesday, Nov. 23, 2004



    One of the nation's leading medical groups, the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons (AAPS), decried a move by the U.S. Senate to join with the House in funding a federal program AAPS says will lead to mandatory psychological testing of every child in America – without the consent of parents.
    When the Senate considered an omnibus appropriations bill last week that included funding for grants to implement universal mental health screening for almost 60 million children, pregnant women and adults through schools and pre-schools, it approved $20 million of the $44 million sought, Kathryn Serkes, public affairs counsel for AAPS, told NewsMax.

    This $20 million matches a like amount already approved by the House, Serkes advised.

    While the funding cut of some $24 million was a little good news, suggested Serkes, whose organization has zealously opposed the the measure, she said the organization was most worried about the failure of Congress to include “parental consent” language sought by the AAPS.


    Last September, AAPS lifetime member Rep. Ron Paul, M.D., R-Texas, tried to stop the plan in its tracks by offering an amendment to the Labor, HHS, and Education Appropriations Act for FY 2005. The amendment received 95 “yes” votes, but it failed to pass.

    According to Serkes, Paul is now mulling offering stand-alone legislation in the next session to once again try and get a provision for parental consent.

    The federal bill on its face does not require mandatory mental health testing to be imposed upon states or local schools, explained Serkes.

    However, the HHS appropriations bill contains block grant money that will likely be used – as is often the case with block funding – by the various states to implement mandatory psychological testing programs for all students in the school system.


    The spending bill has its roots in the recommendations of the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, created by President Bush in 2002 to propose ways of eliminating waste and improve efficiency and effectiveness of the mental health care delivery system.

    Although the report does not specifically recommend screening all students, it does suggest that “schools are in a key position to identify the mental health problems early and to provide a link to appropriate services.”

    The bottom line, explained Serkes, is that a state receiving money under this appropriation will likely make its mental testing of kids mandatory – and not be out of synch with the federal enactment.

    The other telling point, said Serkes, is that although the relatively minimal funding at this point is certainly not enough to fund mandatory mental testing for kids countrywide, it’s an ominous start:

    “Once it’s established and has funding, a program exhibits the nettlesome property of being self-sustaining – it gets a life of its own. More funding follows.”

    Officials of the AAPS decry in the measure what they see as “a dangerous scheme that will heap even more coercive pressure on parents to medicate children with potentially dangerous side effects.”

    One of the most “dangerous side effects” from antidepressants commonly prescribed to children is suicide, regarding which AAPS added, “Further, even the government’s own task force has concluded that mental health screening does little to prevent suicide.”

    Meanwhile, Rep. Paul says the mental testing scheme is a looming feature of "Big Brother" that if unchecked will push parental rights out of the picture:

    “At issue is the fundamental right of parents to decide what medical treatment is appropriate for their children. The notion of federal bureaucrats ordering potentially millions of youngsters to take psychotropic drugs like Ritalin strikes an emotional chord with American parents, who are sick of relinquishing more and more parental control to government.

    “Once created, federal programs are nearly impossible to eliminate. Anyone who understands bureaucracies knows they assume more and more power incrementally. A few scattered state programs over time will be replaced by a federal program implemented in a few select cities. Once the limited federal program is accepted, it will be expanded nationwide. Once in place throughout the country, the screening program will become mandatory.

    “Soviet communists attempted to paint all opposition to the state as mental illness. It now seems our own federal government wants to create a therapeutic nanny state, beginning with schoolchildren. It’s not hard to imagine a time 20 or 30 years from now when government psychiatrists stigmatize children whose religious, social, or political values do not comport with those of the politically correct, secular state.

    “American parents must do everything they can to remain responsible for their children’s well-being. If we allow government to become intimately involved with our children’s minds and bodies, we will have lost the final vestiges of parental authority. Strong families are the last line of defense against an overreaching bureaucratic state.”
  • John Ashcroft
    Veteran
    • Jan 2004
    • 2127

    #2
    I agree Pinky. Write your Congress people now. This is absurd on every level.

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    • Viking
      Veteran
      • Jan 2004
      • 1772

      #3
      This is the biggest single goddamned atrocity I've ever seen come out of the Cesspool-On-The-Potomac, and I've seen a lot. I hope Ron Paul drives his point home with a goddamned machine gun with some of these arrogant cocksuckers. There ought to be a movement to remove from office every last one of them - Republican or Democrat - that voted for this Orwellian horseshit. Motherfuckers don't deserve American citizenship, much less police protection.

      Well, kiddies, I think we just found an outrage that crosses ideological lines in this joint.

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49125

        #4
        OMG, I agree with Ashcroft and Viking for once. SOME of these hacks pretending to be psychologists in schools often times have no business making decisions so lasting and critical in a childs life. I've met a couple of them that fucking need counseling of their own!

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        • Viking
          Veteran
          • Jan 2004
          • 1772

          #5
          Listen, I was a psych major during my freshman year of college, back in '81. I'm telling you the psych and sociology professors were whacked. I mean, gone. I realized that you have to have more mental problems that your patients do, so I switched majors after two semesters.

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          • Big Train
            Full Member Status

            • Apr 2004
            • 4011

            #6
            I'd agree with the idea that kids ought to have counseling available (thereby funded by the federal government), should there be a situation that warrants it. I'm not so sure that "manadatory" is the way to go. By that criteria, half of the inner city kids would fail as having "trouble signs" in their backgrounds (i.e. parents in jail) etc. If a child is showing signs of stress or patterns of violence and NEEDS the help, no problem. Blanket testing doesn't solve any problem and the kids who need those resources will end up just another face in the crowd, while Billions are wasted on kids who don't need or want it.

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49125

              #7
              Originally posted by Viking
              Listen, I was a psych major during my freshman year of college, back in '81. I'm telling you the psych and sociology professors were whacked. I mean, gone. I realized that you have to have more mental problems that your patients do, so I switched majors after two semesters.
              You could make a credible argument that a lot, certainly not all or even a majority, of psychologists go into the field to "self-diagnose" their own "problems." While that doesn't mean everything that they may do should be discounted, it does make you wonder about which ones are on the level.

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              • John Ashcroft
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                • Jan 2004
                • 2127

                #8
                I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

                Psychologists are some of the most fucked-up people on the planet.

                The damage they can do is astounding. Think about it. By the time you find yourself at the point of seeking the counsel of such "experts", you've come to the point where decision making is not something you can't handle by yourself. So you rely on such counsel to help you through the decision making process. What if they're shitty at their job??? What if you get the Psy-school flunkie??? Even worse, what is such counsel is pushing a certain political agenda??? Who better to push such agendi on than the desperate?

                They ought to be outlawed in my opinion. Too much power, with absolutely no worries of consequence. After all, they're protected by patient-doctor confidentiality.

                Scary shit.

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49125

                  #9
                  I haven't watched him much, but that Dr. Phil douche really irritates me. He's another pop-psychologist that is making a killing. Yet I find him to be about as genuine as a television preacher.

                  But I don't agree with what you've said as a generalization. There are some good people in the field that can offer genuine help to someone who needs another perspective. The problem is that their are so many assholes that went into it because they want to "cure" themselves and not really help other people. And others went into it for prestige and money, like so many hack lawyers!

                  Have you ever dated a girl who is a psyche major? Don't ever date a girl who is a psyche major!

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                  • Warham
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 14587

                    #10
                    I agree with all of you on this one.

                    Mandatory testing is a very disturbing prospect.

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                    • John Ashcroft
                      Veteran
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 2127

                      #11
                      Dude, I know there are good Psychologists in the profession, but they seem to be hard to find. And the stakes are simply too high.

                      I've had a couple of beers tonight, and am probably about to be a little too "vocal"... But I've seen the havoc they raise first hand.

                      For instance, my wife recently went to see a psychologist to discuss her strained relationship with her mother. I gave her my support because I knew it was something that was bothering her deeply. After the first week, I had some reservations... Such reservations were due to the fact that her psychologist gave her a list of recommended reading. Every single book was from a feminist author, to include Gloria Steinham. I told my wife that I didn't really understand the reading list, and that it appeared to have an agenda. Well, to make a long story short, within the next few weeks her "counselor" had her convinced that she needed a divorce. And joint marriage counseling was never even suggested (I know, I asked my wife about it). Needless to say, I'm going to be divorced within the next week. My wife is thoroughly convinced that this is the right path (despite the fact that we have a 4 and 6 year old), because her counselor convinced her that she deserved her version of happiness. I'm beside myself. But my wife is convinced. The trouble is, she can't answer simple questions like "what is it that will make you happy?" And "What is it that makes you unhappy?". No answers. She doesn't know. All she knows is that she feels unfulfilled, and her psychologist convinced her that she needed to make a "life-change". And that "change" consisted exclusively of ridding her life of her children's father. "Children be damned!". Needless to say, I'm quite pissed.

                      So, I'm seeing the damage first hand here. It's a helpless feeling that I hope none of you ever have to endure. Her fucking psychologist is a flaming feminist who's pursued her agenda by destroying yet another household. And you know what? There's not a fucking thing I can do about it. My lawyer told me so. No complaints, no accountability. Because it all comes down to "confidentiality". This "psychologist" is merely exempt from responsibility for her actions. (Don't get me wrong, my wife shares plenty of blame here, but she was certainly pushed by this "counselor". There's alot to the story that no one want's to hear, but it has to do with my wife and her family, not my wife and I).

                      Anyway, my children are all I have left now. If a fucking kook psychologist is forced upon my children, I don't know what I'll do. I will certainly pull them from the public school system. That's for sure.

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49125

                        #12
                        That's terrible, I am very sorry to hear that. For anyone to advocate such change is an asshole.

                        Meanwhile the "psychologist" is probably the most unhappy person of them all. Give a screwed up person unquestioned credibility and you can have a disaster.

                        I taught school, and was laid off due to budget cuts, and the fucktard school psychologist (of whom it was universally agreed was a waste of space, oxygen, and clothes, and I mean I never heard one person with the exception of his little guidance counselor crony say a good thing about him) made over $100k a year doing essentially nothing except for pretending to give presentations and enabling kids to be juvenile delinquents. Nobody sent problem kids to him because they got worse.

                        But hey! He had a Ph. D, so I guess he mattered.
                        Last edited by Nickdfresh; 11-24-2004, 11:08 PM.

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                        • John Ashcroft
                          Veteran
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 2127

                          #13
                          Thanks dude.

                          Yeah, I don't understand why our system puts any credence in these friggin quacks, but I know there's an entire industry built on it. And that's certainly the answer. All I'm asking for is a bit of accountability. Almost every other fucking profession in the world has some measure of accountability! But not psychology. It's amazing. I have offered to go to any court in the land to plead my case as a caring husband and father. I've asked if I can contest the very divorce itself! I was told repetitively that it simply doesn't matter. And that I couldn't even contest the divorce. It would be granted regardless. Regardless of the damage it inflicted on my children. Regardless of the truth.

                          Yep, some "profession" huh? The damage they create is staggering. For every person like me, there's the even worse situation where another "psychologist" convinced a child (and the state) that their father was molesting them. It's like a war. It's weird. Why are they trying to destroy the fabric of our society like this? I truly don't understand.

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                          • freak
                            Sniper
                            • May 2004
                            • 980

                            #14
                            So. We are proposing to subject kids to examinations by practitioners of a junk, wannabe science practiced by medical school wash-outs?

                            That is the singlemost stupid thing to come out of Congress in years.

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                            • Nickdfresh
                              SUPER MODERATOR

                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49125

                              #15
                              I'm with you on that one. My sister can tell you all about lawyers and psychologist. But she did get help from a good therapist. But they can be tough to find.

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