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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    No heroes?

    No heroes?
    Thomas Sowell


    December 2, 2004


    You cannot fight a war without many brave men taking risks with their lives in order to try to accomplish their mission. Yet can you name a single American hero in either of the two wars going on today in Afghanistan and Iraq?

    Chances are you can't -- not if you rely on the mainstream media. You may be able to name someone from the little band of people involved in the prison scandal in Iraq or perhaps Jessica Lynch who was rescued, but not those who rescued her.

    There are apparently no heroes among the more than 100,000 men and women fighting for us overseas -- only victims. At least, that is how the news gets filtered and spun in most of the media.

    Any reservist whose life is disrupted by being called to active duty has a good chance of making the front page of the New York Times with his laments. But 99 fellow reservists who are focused on their duty are far less likely to be featured.

    Enemy casualties, no matter how large, seldom get as much publicity as even a handful of American casualties. A whole ghoul school of journalism was preparing for the thousandth death among American troops in Iraq, so that they could run big features on it.

    The New York Times covered page after page with the names of those thousand dead. The television wing of the ghoul school did similar things in their broadcasts. The rationale for this is that they are "honoring" the dead troops and perhaps showing that the media, too, are patriotically "supporting our troops."

    The fraudulence of this can be seen in the fact that Ted Koppel, who sneered at those journalists who wore little American flag lapel pins after 9/11 as people who were "flag waving," has made the display of American dead a feature of "Nightline."

    Why is it that the New York Times, which has been against this war from day one, and against the military for decades before that, is spearheading this way of "honoring" our troops? What they are in fact doing is rubbing our noses in the casualties at every opportunity.

    People have every right to be for or against this war or any other war. That is what editorial pages, newspaper columns, and radio and TV talk shows are all about. But pretending to be reporting news and "honoring" the troops is dirty business.

    While our troops were willing to put their lives on the line to carry out their missions, they did not go overseas for the purpose of dying. Nor have they died without taking a lot more of the enemy with them. Every terrorist killed in Iraq is one that will never come over here to commit another 9/11.

    Anyone who was serious about honoring the fallen troops would honor what they accomplished, not just the price they paid. More than 5,000 Marines died taking the one little island of Iwo Jima but they were honored for taking Iwo Jima -- a wretched little island in itself, but a crucial forward base for supporting the air attacks on Japan that ended World War II.

    Those who are busy "honoring" the deaths of American troops in Iraq seldom have much to say about what those troops accomplished. The restoration of electricity, the re-opening of hospitals and schools, and all the other things being done to try to restore a war-devastated country get little attention, and everything that has gone wrong makes the front pages and TV news for weeks on end.

    This is the approach that gave the media their biggest triumph and ego boost -- the discrediting of the war in Vietnam.

    More than 50,000 Americans died trying to save that country from Communist attacks. Their achievements included victories on the battlefield that were negated politically by the way the American press reported the war.

    In recent years, Vietnam's Communist leaders themselves have admitted that they lost that war on the ground but hung on because the American anti-war movement gave them hope that they could win it politically. It was a well-founded hope that the American media helped make come true when we withdrew both our troops and our financial and political backing for the Vietnamese under attack.

    At that time, the media had not yet come up with the gimmick of "honoring" American war dead but they were nevertheless able to throw away the victory for which those men sacrificed their lives.

    Will they repeat that heady achievement a second time in Iraq? They certainly seem to be trying. And it is no honor.
    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49204

    #2
    From No heroes?
    Thomas Sowell


    You cannot fight a war without many brave men taking risks with their lives in order to try to accomplish their mission. Yet can you name a single American hero in either of the two wars going on today in Afghanistan and Iraq?

    Yes, SGT Pat Tillman



    Chances are you can't -- not if you rely on the mainstream media. You may be able to name someone from the little band of people involved in the prison scandal in Iraq or perhaps Jessica Lynch who was rescued, but not those who rescued her.
    I don't agree, I have found several riveting accounts of U.S. troops courage and cunning in the very same "mainstream" press that Sowell denounces.


    How many "heroes" have actually emerged from this war compared to WWII? When soldiers get decorated, they do get camera time, but as far as I know, the last Congressional Medals of Honor were won by two Delta Force (1st SFOGD) snipers in Somalia.



    The Congressional Medal of Honor is the highest awarded United States military medal and is awarded only for acts that are above and beyond the call of duty. The CMH is not an award the United States gives easily. A large percentage of the CMH medals have been given posthumously...The last conflict to have a Medal of Honor recipient was in 1993 during Somalia, which was awarded posthumously to Army Sergeants Gordon and Shughart who were attached with the Special Forces unit Delta Force. There have been no Medal of Honor winners for Grenada,
    Panama, Lebanon, or Desert Storm. From:

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    • BigBadBrian
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Jan 2004
      • 10625

      #3
      I'll be watching "The Heroes of India Company" this Sunday at 9pm Eastern on FOXNEWS. It's about a Marine Company's assault on Falluja. Should be interesting.
      “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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      • knuckleboner
        Crazy Ass Mofo
        • Jan 2004
        • 2927

        #4
        couldn't have said it better, nick.

        i was all set to mention tillman.


        but you're right about it all.



        if anything, i think that this "war" has shown that the American people, by and large, view ALL the military as heros. you go to a sporting event, if they mention returning/injured servicemen & women, there's usually a standing ovation. (this happens all the time at the MCI Center and Fed Ex Field.)

        there are "support our troops" decals on many vehicles. and for every person who opposed the war, odds are, they're still supportive of the troops.


        we don't have audey murhpy as the face of American heroism in the military today. today, it's simply "the American soldier."

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        • BigBadBrian
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jan 2004
          • 10625

          #5
          Originally posted by knuckleboner
          couldn't have said it better, nick.

          i was all set to mention tillman.


          Tillman? Gee, would that have been because his name was plastered all over the NEWS for months on end?
          “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49204

            #6
            ABC's Nightline is showing an excellent program from the Marines' point of view tonight!

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            • lms2

              #7
              True heros are not celebrated often enough.

              Thank goodness true hero do things with good intentions from their hearts and not as some promotional scheme...

              A little off topic, but at one point there was discussion about Congressional Medals of Honor being awarded to certain passengers and crew aboard the flight that missed its final destination and instead crashed into a field.

              All the talk about 9-11 continues, but the true heros of that day fade away...

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              • knuckleboner
                Crazy Ass Mofo
                • Jan 2004
                • 2927

                #8
                Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                Tillman? Gee, would that have been because his name was plastered all over the NEWS for months on end?
                yeah...uh...that's the point. the news DOES occasionally mention U.S. heros by name. (not that dying made tillman a hero. it was just, unfortunately, the vehicle by which he was recognized, individually, as a hero.)


                but the rest of what i was saying was that while we don't have, "names" for most of the others, i still think we identify the soldiers as heros.

                if we don't necessarily laud what they've accomplished so far, it's possibly because the outcome is ongoing, and it doesn't mean we're not still lauding the individual soldiers. just not by name.


                which, personally, i think is BETTER. tillman wasn't more heroic. he died. his name got in the paper. fine. but they're ALL heroic. singling out a few might be fine for recruitment purposes, but it shouldn't be to the exclusion of the rest. better that we know the heros by uniform, not by name.

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                • franksters
                  Veteran
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 2389

                  #9
                  U S should act like a world heroe not the world's zero.

                  they should be pro active on a lot of thing like electric car , that way USA would not have to deal with those idiot country (arabs) who have the oil and therefore set an example for the rest of the world, then these arab country would be fucked, USA should screw their economy if they want to win the war!

                  they don't even have to send futur dead soldiers overthere, just stop buying there , you see how fast these country straight up, because if they don't they will die..
                  SUMMER'S JUST
                  AROUND
                  THE CORNER!

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                  • franksters
                    Veteran
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 2389

                    #10
                    Than usa would be a hero to the world!
                    SUMMER'S JUST
                    AROUND
                    THE CORNER!

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                    http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...rs/2wbthcw.jpg

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                    • BigBadBrian
                      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 10625

                      #11
                      Originally posted by franksters
                      that way USA would not have to deal with those idiot country (arabs)
                      Now there is a telling statement. Tell us how you really feel.
                      “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                      • ODShowtime
                        ROCKSTAR

                        • Jun 2004
                        • 5812

                        #12
                        Originally posted by franksters
                        the [US] should be pro active on a lot of thing like electric car...then these arab country would be fucked, USA should screw their economy if they want to win the war!
                        Good God! Mixed up in all of your French Canadian nonsense, you have stated what I feel is the number one way to beat the A-rabs once and for all. :eek: Interesting.
                        gnaw on it

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                        • Phil theStalker
                          Full Member Status

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 3843

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ODShowtime
                          Good God! Mixed up in all of your French Canadian nonsense, you have stated what I feel is the number one way to beat the A-rabs once and for all. :eek: Interesting.
                          They're screwing our economy too, aren't they. We're being defeated as a nation without a hostile military invasion, a nuclear war, or a shot being fired.

                          When did my govenment throw out our sovereign nation tariffs and make me a "global" worker, instead of an American worker in an American economy?

                          You're cattle. Chattel if you're a U.S. citizen under the 1933 War Powers Act.

                          And, you're handled like chattle, because you let yourself be treated that way.

                          Each one of you.

                          Don't say, bye-bye to the U.S.A, but say, bye-bye to the peace in the U.S.A., because this ownership violation of the human condition and the future of the prosperity, happiness, and freedom for each individual is in exactly the same position as it was the last time the U.S. went into civil war.

                          Because of this ownership we're all ****** cattle property no matter what color we are.

                          And, the expansion and propserity of America in the 21st century is at stake.

                          And that means more war until people are removed as property and their wealth and freedom is restored to them.

                          This war, the war of George Washington and all of his colleagues, soldiers, and farmer militiamen, will never end.

                          If George Bush, either of them and their colleagues, ever want to know about a real war that will never end it's not their phoney war on terrorism and Islam, it's the war on their propagation of ownership and tyranny on the American people.

                          They know about it and that's why they have the pathetic police state ready for you.

                          But police don't win wars and this is war.

                          Who fights this war in the world for mankind? Not the Chinese people, they're slaves. No one else. The wars for freedom will always be fought on American soil. The rest of the world follows. The American people, like the American negro, cannot be "property" forever, and these people will not be.

                          These people, American people, are different than any other people in modern world history.

                          The shot heard round the world was fired in America 228 years ago and the war's not fully won or over yet.

                          I hope you wake up.


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                          • Phil theStalker
                            Full Member Status

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 3843

                            #14
                            People, women included, will always do "heroic" things on the battle field or anywhere for their brothers and sisters, children and grandparents, neighbors, and strangers.

                            It happens all the time.

                            There are no heroes mentioned by the press or the government, because this war is a lie and it is not a legal, noble, and/or honorable war.

                            If it is not an honorable war you cannot honor your heroes. And they don't. They do it in secret. They bury the dead in Arlington National Cemetery behind black curtained walls, hiding the sin.

                            That's honorable?

                            That's heroic?

                            That's what a $20,000 enlistment or re-enlistment bonus buys.

                            You get what you pay for.

                            That's what you have to look forward to.

                            World peace someday.

                            But not with the likes of you.

                            I almost can't wait until the coming one world government kills all of you.

                            I'm growing to hate you as much as they hate you.

                            I wear my heart on my sleeve.


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                            • WACF
                              Crazy Ass Mofo
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 2920

                              #15
                              There will be many acts of heroism that will never be told...just cause we do not hear about them does not mean they do not happen.

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