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  • Pink Spider
    Sniper
    • Jan 2004
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    Police State ID Card Bill Passes Without Congress Even Reading It



    Ron Paul Liberty Committee | December 7 2004

    Related: Emergency Alert: National ID/Patriot Act 2 Legislation On Verge Of Passing

    UPDATE: December 7th at 7:38 p.m.
    The U.S. House passed the conference report on the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act by a vote of 336 "ayes" to 75 "noes." Vote Tally


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    December 7, 2004

    If you were a member of Congress, would you vote "yes" on a 3,000 page bill that you never had a chance to read? Most reasonable people wouldn't. Most reasonable people would want to read and study legislation before deciding how to vote; especially legislation as monumental as the intelligence reorganization legislation or the so-called 9/11 bill.

    And monumental it is. The legislation would greatly affect various intelligence and military agencies and procedures; financial systems; international relations; not to mention civil liberties. In addition, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that the legislation will cost $14.4 billion to implement between 2005 and 2009. That's $14.4 billion on top of the normal annual budgets for the various governmental agencies involved.

    Yet this monumental legislation will be voted on by members of Congress without those members having had time to read, let alone study, the bill. It's just after 2:00 p.m. ET on Tuesday, December 7th. The U.S. House is expected to vote on the 9/11 bill sometime today or tomorrow. But at this moment, there isn't a copy of the final bill available for House members to read.

    So, is there a provision in the bill to establish a national ID? No one seems to know. Or at least the people who do know aren't saying. What else is in the bill that the select few in Washington are keeping secret? Who knows? Anything could be...and that's the point.

    Remember how passage of the Patriot Act was handled? Members had only two to three hours to read the final 400-page bill before they had to cast their vote. The legislation that created the Department of Homeland Security was handled in the same way.

    So, here we go again. Everyone is talking about this monumental legislation as if they've read it. News reporters, commentators, political analysts, think tanks; 9/11 families; and yes, members of Congress are busy sounding off as experts trying to convince the American public that Congress should pass it. Have any of these people actually read it? Their opinions are just based upon someone else's opinions that are based upon other people's opinions and so on.

    The House version of the intelligence reorganization bill is in two volumes. Volume 1 is 1,778 pages. Volume 2 is 1,586 pages. How many pages are in the final conference report and what exactly has been added or deleted at the last minute? Well, as of 2:00 p.m. ET, the final report is not available for members to read. But the vote on that enormous bill will be held within hours.

    We urge a "no" vote because we believe the bill has a national ID provision in it. In addition, we urge a "no" vote, simply because members of Congress should know what the bill says in print before voting on it.

    Take action now. The bill still has to pass the Senate on Wednesday. Call your Senators by using the switchboard at (202) 224-3121. Find your Senators at http://www.senate.gov
  • DEMON CUNT
    Crazy Ass Mofo
    • Nov 2004
    • 3240

    #2
    In the name of FREEDOM- remove this post immediately!

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    • Big Train
      Full Member Status

      • Apr 2004
      • 4011

      #3
      Demon...are those NEOCon cops?

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      • DEMON CUNT
        Crazy Ass Mofo
        • Nov 2004
        • 3240

        #4
        Originally posted by Big Train
        Demon...are those NEOCon cops?
        Yes. And they are covered with Patiriot Sperm!
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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49125

          #5
          Originally posted by Big Train
          Demon...are those NEOCon cops?
          No these are:

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58755

            #6
            Countdown to Mark of the Beast officially ON. Better check the link in my signature if you haven't done so already, because it's becoming more evident every day that Junior really IS the Antichrist
            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • Jesus Christ
              Veteran
              • Jan 2004
              • 2428

              #7
              In the words of thy latter day prophet Johnny Cash, Matthew 24 is at thy door, My son.....

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              • Pink Spider
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                • Jan 2004
                • 867

                #8
                Originally posted by FORD
                Countdown to Mark of the Beast officially ON. Better check the link in my signature if you haven't done so already, because it's becoming more evident every day that Junior really IS the Antichrist
                I prefer to think of it as the countdown to 1984. But, whatever works.

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                • DEMON CUNT
                  Crazy Ass Mofo
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 3240

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Pink Spider
                  I prefer to think of it as the countdown to 1984. But, whatever works.
                  Nice!

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                  • ODShowtime
                    ROCKSTAR

                    • Jun 2004
                    • 5812

                    #10
                    slavery is freedom
                    gnaw on it

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                    • Big Train
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                      • Apr 2004
                      • 4011

                      #11
                      Aren't we jumping the gun a bit? Since nobody seems to know anything about it, how can we judge it? I am defending how it got past them, but that is an in house senate problem no? The dems need to fix it procedurally. I have no opinion either way until I know what it and what isn't in there.

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49125

                        #12
                        More is less. Less is more.

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49125

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Big Train
                          Aren't we jumping the gun a bit? Since nobody seems to know anything about it, how can we judge it? I am defending how it got past them, but that is an in house senate problem no? The dems need to fix it procedurally. I have no opinion either way until I know what it and what isn't in there.
                          No. They just slip it in there at the last minute. I think this bill will be amended and this provision taken out, but it is terrible!

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                          • Big Train
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                            • Apr 2004
                            • 4011

                            #14
                            well thats what I'm driving at. Are we more upset about the way it was slipped in or the actual item itself, which really nobody can have a position on (if your logical), because nobody knows what it means.

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                            • Pink Spider
                              Sniper
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 867

                              #15
                              If we do find what Ron Paul said was in there, I'm sure we'll see the same group of Republicrats justifying everything like clockwork.

                              IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

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