If Saddam was labeled a "brutal dictator" who's enemies were tortured, what is Bush?

[DEMON CUNT]

Is it OK to torture in the name of democracy?

It's way worse than previously reported.

FBI Agents Complained of Prisoner Abuse, Records Say

The FBI complained that military interrogators had gone beyond the restrictions of the Geneva Convention that prohibit torture; the agents cited Bush administration guidelines that permit the use of dogs and other techniques to harass prisoners.

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holding a dog on enemy combatants vs. mass chemical warfare ...give me a break

[DrMaddVibe]

The Geneva Convention doesn't apply to these idiots. It's for nations you fucking cunt!

[FORD]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
The Geneva Convention doesn't apply to these idiots. It's for nations you fucking cunt!

Iraq isn't a nation?

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
The Geneva Convention doesn't apply to these idiots. It's for nations you fucking cunt!

You conservatives seem to think that you can just make stuff up. Why is that?

[DrMaddVibe]

Iraq's army isn't fighting us.

Ford...I thought you were smarter than that.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Iraq's army isn't fighting us.

Ford...I thought you were smarter than that.

I didn't think you were smarter than this. Who the fuck do you think is fighting us? Where the hell do you think the 1000s of army members went when we de-activated them? How do they and their families eat?

I believe what you are saying is that we aren't fighting a formal, organized army. But we are. It's just playing by rules we're not used to and didn't prepare for. We had plenty of opportunity to learn and prepare, we just didn't.

[DrMaddVibe]

There's no formal declaration, so it's not a nation vs nation. It's a bunch of ragheads that have been usurping the world's cash only to build the largest terrorist network that would make the CIA, KGB, MI5 and the Mossad blush!

They hid behind goodwill gestures and political manuvering, but let someone try to rid the world of this type of scum and look who comes to protect them and call US the "bad guys"! If putting panties and dog leashes on those rat bastards is the most you have to worry about then settle down...the grown-ups will solve the problems for you. Stop playing in your diapers and throwing it against the wall to see what sticks.

I'll be the first to apologize to you and your ilk because this conflict wasn't over before your bedtime. The fact that the insurgents are streaming across the borders into Iraq show me just how desperate THEY are. They don't want democracy to thrive in that region. Freedom, once it takes root there will expose the governments in that regions for the overbearing tyrants they are. You go ahead and moan about the body counts and notion that we're all alone over there. We're fighting an enemy that's backed up against the wall and will kill their own nationals to get to us. Think about how fucked up that really is before you talk about how organized they are. They're running scared, running low on support, low on morale and if Bin Laden is their spokesman and you still want to badmouth the coalition effort over there, then why don't YOU take up arms against us over there too!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
There's no formal declaration, so it's not a nation vs nation. It's a bunch of ragheads that have been usurping the world's cash only to build the largest terrorist network that would make the CIA, KGB, MI5 and the Mossad blush!

It doesn't matter, the Iraqi insurgents are considered "Partisans" or a guerilla army under the Geneva Conventions. That's why the CIA and FBI are the first to decry the treatment of prisoners whether they are Iraqis or not.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
It doesn't matter, the Iraqi insurgents are considered "Partisans" or a guerilla army under the Geneva Conventions. That's why the CIA and FBI are the first to decry the treatment of prisoners whether they are Iraqis or not.

Answer me this Nick, if Saddam planned to fight an insurgency after his Republican Guard crumbled, and he specifically trained and paraded the Saddam Fedayeen, AND, once we attacked Iraq the army evaporated back into society, AND we knew ( or know now at least) that this was the plan, then how could you not label the insurgency as an army? The Iraqi Army? The very clearly are. Just because they ditched the tanks and uniforms doesn't mean anything.

This shit ain't rocket science people.

edit: I want to make it clear I'm agreeing with you, just going at it from a weird angle...

[DrMaddVibe]

Read up on the Geneva Convention Nick.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Read up on the Geneva Convention Nick.

Why don't you read it for me.

Here, I'll even help:

From the hated UN

Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War
Adopted on 12 August 1949 by the Diplomatic Conference for the Establishment of
International Conventions for the Protection of Victims of War, held in Geneva
from 21 April to 12 August, 1949
entry into force 21 October 1950
PART I
GENERAL PROVISIONS

Article 1

The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances.

Article 2

In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peace time, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.

The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance.

Although one of the Powers in conflict may not be a party to the present Convention, the Powers who are parties thereto shall remain bound by it in their mutual relations. They shall furthermore be bound by the Convention in relation to the said Power, if the latter accepts and applies the provisions thereof.

Article 3

In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:

1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.

To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:

(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;

(b) Taking of hostages;

(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;

(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

2. The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.

An impartial humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may offer its services to the Parties to the conflict.

The Parties to the conflict should further endeavour to bring into force, by means of special agreements, all or part of the other provisions of the present Convention.

The application of the preceding provisions shall not affect the legal status of the Parties to the conflict.

Article 4

A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:

1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:

(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;

(c) That of carrying arms openly;

(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

[DrMaddVibe]

When did Congress pass the declaration of war?

[DrMaddVibe]

http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/2002/king/qtr1/0225.htm

http://www.showmenews.com/2004/Jun/20040620News016.asp

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/19/world/main624915.shtml

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/7624

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/18/saudi.kidnap/

And you're worried about panties and a fucking dog leash?

When have they EVER lived up to any UN action? Do you really believe in your paper-thin mind that they would honor the Geneva Convention?

Road side bombs ring a bell?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Check out the body count here!

http://massgraves.info/ Where was your "humanity" and "outrage"?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
When did Congress pass the declaration of war?

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That's what I want to know! Who should go to jail for conducting an illegal war overseas?!