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Nickdfresh
01-12-2005, 09:22 AM
Is it time for America to initiate peace negotiations with the resistance?


Iraqi insurgents fear bin Laden's movescnn.com


Wednesday, January 12, 2005 Posted: 6:59 AM EST (1159 GMT)
Osama bin Laden delivers a videotaped message broadcast on Arabic language network Al-Jazeera.


CAIRO, Egypt (AP) -- Osama bin Laden has vowed to turn Iraq into the front line of his war against the United States, but Iraqi insurgents seem worried that he's out to hijack their rebellion.

At times, the Iraqis and foreign Muslim militants seem to be competing.

Media reports and Web statements have speculated that a Saudi carried out the December 21 suicide bombing of a U.S. mess tent in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul that killed 22 people.

But Ansar al-Sunnah, the homegrown group that took responsibility for that deadliest of attacks on a U.S. target in Iraq, named the bomber as Abu Omar of Mosul, a nom de guerre that pointedly claims him as an Iraqi.

Earlier this month, a posting on Ansar al-Sunnah's Web site told foreign militants to stop coming. The group, which defines itself as both nationalist and Islamic, said it needed money, not more recruits.

"We have concrete information that a sharp division is now broiling between" Iraqis waging a nationalist war and foreign Arabs spurred by militant Islam, said Mouwafak al-Rubaie, the Iraqi government's national security adviser. "They are more divided than ever."

Al-Rubaie said one reason was the perception among Iraqis that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian militant whom bin Laden endorsed as his deputy in Iraq, was of little help during the American onslaught on the Iraqi insurgent hotbed of Falluja in November.

"Al-Zarqawi and his group fled Falluja and let the Iraqis face the attack alone," al-Rubaie said in a telephone interview.

Some Iraqis may have drawn parallels between the debacle in Falluja and what happened to Afghanistan after it became bin Laden's headquarters.

Since Saddam Hussein's regime was overthrown by the American-led war in April 2003, insurgents including foreign fighters have waged a guerrilla war aimed at forcing out U.S. troops. The Iraqi interim government says it has detained more than 300 foreign fighters, among them men from almost every Arab country.

Some streamed into Iraq shortly before the war, invited by a desperate Saddam. Muslim militants are believed to be behind some of the deadliest attacks against U.S. and Iraqi forces.

In a 33-page address last month, bin Laden, the Saudi-born millionaire-turned-terrorist, called for turning Iraq into an Islamic state that would eventually be part of a worldwide Islamic empire.

In the same message, though, he may have angered insurgents loyal to Saddam by calling the toppled president "a butcher" and "a tyrant." And naming a Jordanian as his deputy in Iraq would not have sat well even among Iraqis who share bin Laden's militant vision of Islam.

Bin Laden's message also scoffed at plans for Iraqi elections, saying democracy was un-Islamic. But Iraqi groups including Sunni clergy that had earlier called for boycotting the January 30 vote now say they want to participate if a timetable is set for U.S. withdrawal.

"Bin Laden's problem is that he is far away from reality, he is a daydreamer. He is even blind," said Shadi Abdel Aziz, a Cairo University professor and author of "Continuity and Change in bin Laden's Thought."

Abdel Aziz said bin Laden's key mistake is to ignore that "people always put their national and personal interests first."

"In this part of the world people have several identities, Islam is only one of them and it does not necessarily come first," he said.

Bin Laden's problem in Iraq seems similar to what he faced in Afghanistan after the defeat of Soviet troops. While bin Laden wanted to follow up with a worldwide war on those he saw as Islam's enemies, some of the warlords who became Afghanistan's new rulers wanted the Arab fighters out.

Al-Rubaie, the Iraqi national security adviser, was an Islamic activist in his youth, but believes bin Laden-style Islam will fail to take hold in Iraq.

"They failed in Egypt, which is a more homogenous society, and they failed in Afghanistan when they had a state," he said. "How can they win here with all this religious and sectarian diversity?"
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ODShowtime
01-12-2005, 11:54 AM
Iraqi insurgents ahead in war of intelligence

By Robert Fisk

01/11/05 "The Independent" -- Baghdad: As usual, it was an inside job. Brig Amer Ali Nayef, deputy head of the Baghdad police, and his policeman son, Lt Khaled Amer, were driving to work in an unmarked civilian car, hoping to move through the streets of Dora without being noticed.

But the two carloads of gunmen who approached from behind knew the car, its registration number and its occupants. They blazed away with Kalashnikovs until Nayef, dead at the wheel, drove into a house.

Every day now brings its sinister evidence that the Iraqi security forces - supposedly screened by American military officers - have been infiltrated by the insurgents.

As Nayef and his son were shot dead, a suicide bomber - and there are perhaps 10 suicide bombers immolating themselves every week now in Iraq - blew himself up several miles away outside the Zafarniyah police station in Baghdad, killing four policemen and wounding 10 others.

The police were changing shifts at the time - as the bomber must have known, thereby increasing the casualties - and the killer was driving a real police car.

Last week, gunmen assassinated the governor of Baghdad, Ali al-Haidari, who was taking a pre-arranged security route to his office. Six of his bodyguards were also shot dead. The roads on which his convoy was driving were supposedly known only to the police.

Al-Haidari - who once famously announced that he planned to pull down many of the security walls in Baghdad because the city was becoming safer - even had a second route ready in case his bodyguards chose to change his journey at the last moment.

And all this is because the growing army of insurgents across Iraq intends to prevent the holding of the January 30 elections.
In the West, it probably makes sense: men dedicated to the overthrow of any possible democracy in Iraq want to destroy the country's first free election.

To the citizens of Baghdad it can seem as if the poll is being held more for the benefit of foreign political agendas - not least those of Tony Blair and George Bush - than for the well-being of innocent Iraqis.

Copyright: The Independent


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7654.htm

ODShowtime
01-12-2005, 11:57 AM
When the US is losing the intelligence war to Iraqis, we have a problem. We are supposed to be dominant in such areas of warfare. It's just disgraceful the way this whole thing is being carried out.

We don't even know what the fuck is going on anymore. Reporters are too scared to venture out of Bagdahd unless they are embedded, in which case their reports are censored and the intelligence briefings they get from the army are colored.

None of us here have a clue as to what's really going on, but it's not good or reporters would be able to tell us about it.

BigBadBrian
01-12-2005, 01:32 PM
Maybe we ought to negotiate with the Resistance. :gulp:

ODShowtime
01-12-2005, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Maybe we ought to negotiate with the Resistance. :gulp:

At the very least we need to make every effor to understand who they are and what they want. gw clearly has no clue. They don't hate freedom. Well, maybe a couple of the Ba'athists do, but the rest don't.