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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    U.S. mulls strikes on Syria

    U.S. mulls strikes on Syria


    By Richard Sale
    UPI Intelligence Correspondent


    New York, NY, Jan. 11 (UPI) -- Bush administration hard-liners have been considering launching selected military strikes at insurgent training camps in Syria and border-crossing points used by Islamist guerrillas to enter Iraq in an effort to bolster security for the upcoming elections, according to former and current administration officials.



    Pressure for some form of military action is also coming from interim Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, these sources said.

    Some former and serving U.S. intelligence officials who have usually been opposed to any expansion of U.S. military activities in the region are expressing support for such strikes.

    A former senior U.S. intelligence official told United Press International, "I don't usually find myself in sympathy with the Bush neo-cons, but I think there is enough fire under this smoke to justify such action."

    Referring to the escalating attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq by Iraqi insurgents, he added, "Syria is complicit in the (anti-U.S.) insurgency up to its eyeballs."

    "Syria is the No. 1 crossing point" for guerrillas entering Iraq," Gary Gambill, editor of the Middle East Intelligence Bulletin, said. He added that Damascus "does nothing about it."

    An administration official said Syria has "camps in which Syrians are training Iraqis for the insurgency and others where Iraqis are training Syrians for the same purpose" which could be hit by U.S. air strikes.

    Gal Luft, a former Israeli military official with ties to Israeli and U.S. intelligence, said, "I have heard of the same thing about the camps."

    Recently, Gen. George W. Casey Jr., the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said that senior Baath Party officials from Iraq are operating from Syria where they provide financing and direction to the cells of Iraqi insurgents killing Americans, sparking new discussions within the administration about possible measures against Syria.

    "There are all sorts of discussions going on, the White House, the Pentagon, the Joint Chiefs," said former CIA counterterrorism chief, Vince Cannistraro.

    He felt the talk of strikes "is part of a general plan of intimidation."

    The White House did not return phone calls.

    U.S. officials told United Press International that money, direction, weapons and personnel are flowing into Iraq from Syria, ending up in Iraqi cities such as Iskanderiya, Baqouba, Latafiya and Fallujah.

    Damascus is also home to associates of a top insurgency commander now affiliated with al-Qaida, Jordanian Abu Musab Zarqawi, who is responsible for many major suicide bombing attacks in Iraq, U.S. officials said.

    The presence of a Zarqawi branch in Damascus, discovered last summer, was said to have acted as a major spur in uniting France and the United States in supporting U.N. Resolution 1559 that demanded Syria withdraw from Lebanon and that elections be held in April 2005, U.S. officials said.

    Gambill charged that a major Zarqawi deputy lives in Damascus.

    In addition to Syria being used as a rear area for insurgents, it is a key center of finance for former Saddam Hussein officials who are leading the insurgency, thanks to stashes of Iraqi cash that could run as high as $3 billion, which is all in the Syrian banking system, according for former and serving administration officials.

    There are also allegedly "many millions of dollars" from Palestinian groups flowing into Syria that are also being used to help finance anti-American guerrilla groups in Iraq, these sources said.

    The Bush administration has applied increasing pressure on Syrian President Bashar Assad to halt the activities of militant groups inside Syria, and to arrest and extradite former Saddam Hussein officials who are the leading financiers, according to several U.S. government sources.

    So far there has been no positive response, they said.

    What especially worries U.S. former and serving intelligence analysts is the seeming weakness of Assad to act against these groups. According to these sources, Assad is "well aware of the U.S. Army on its border to the east," and does not want to antagonize the United States, in the words of one.

    In fact, Bashar's inner circle of key advisers consists of reformist, "smart, streetwise young technocrats" who are urging Bashar to yield to U.S. pressure and begin to shut down some of the anti-U.S. activity, one U.S. official said.

    But Bashar is also surrounded by "the old guard" -- rogue members of the ruling circle, "various people who are making millions and millions of dollars" by allowing former Baath officials to shelter in Syria, this source said.

    "If something goes wrong, they can pack up and go and live in Geneva," he said.

    Because of the rogue elements, after the technocrats (who are also pro-reform) give Bashar their views, they often find themselves visited the next day by hard-line members of Syria's Mukhabarat, or secret police, who tell them to keep their mouths shut, according to this official.

    "Bashar is trapped," this U.S. government official said. "He's the prisoner of Zenda."

    Luft agreed, saying, "The Mukhabarat and some of the old guard are known to be pressuring Bashar's senior confidents to ignore U.S. demands."

    One former senior CIA official, usually an administration critic, said, "We should send a cruise missile into south-side Damascus and blow the Mukharbarat headquarters off the map. We should first make clear to them that they are the target."

    But are the hawks likely to get their strikes?

    Former CIA Syria expert, Martha Kessler doesn't think so. "I don't think the administration can afford to destabilize another country in the region," she said.

    Kessler pointed out that Syria has tried, often in vain, to cooperate with the United States, only to be either snubbed or ignored.

    According to Kesssler, Syria offered to station U.S. forces on its soil before the U.S. invasion of Iraq in March 2003. The Syrians have also opened their intelligence books that identify assets in Europe, including front companies, to the administration in an attempt to help track down al-Qaida.

    But Kessler said a chief reason for not moving against Damascus is that any strikes would "destabilize Lebanon," where the Lebanese Hezbollah movement awaits orders from Iran before launching retaliations against Israeli attacks.

    "Damascus is not the heartbeat of this Iraqi insurgent movement," she said.

    However, one administration official said, "We have got one hell of a problem."

    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58759

    #2
    UPI/Washington Times = Moonies. = NeoCon Propaganda Lies.
    Eat Us And Smile

    Cenk For America 2024!!

    Justice Democrats


    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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    • ODShowtime
      ROCKSTAR

      • Jun 2004
      • 5812

      #3
      Ford, you know they may be lying about the causes, but they aren't lying about preparing to strike. We're right on schedule...
      gnaw on it

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49136

        #4
        Congratulations BigBad, you finally posted an interesting article.

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58759

          #5
          Originally posted by ODShowtime
          Ford, you know they may be lying about the causes, but they aren't lying about preparing to strike. We're right on schedule...
          Strike with WHAT, exactly?

          They don't have troops to sustain another PNAC invasion/occupation. Let alone a justification for going in. And now even the neocons have to admit they LIED about WMD's in Iraq, so selling the next invasion ain't going to be quite as easy.
          Eat Us And Smile

          Cenk For America 2024!!

          Justice Democrats


          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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          • BigBadBrian
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jan 2004
            • 10620

            #6
            Originally posted by FORD
            Strike with WHAT, exactly?

            A pre-flight briefing, a bomb-run, bombs away......and

            It's MILLER TIME.

            “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49136

              #7
              Originally posted by FORD
              Strike with WHAT, exactly?

              They don't have troops to sustain another PNAC invasion/occupation. Let alone a justification for going in. And now even the neocons have to admit they LIED about WMD's in Iraq, so selling the next invasion ain't going to be quite as easy.
              This wouldn't be an all out invasion. It would be more like Cambodia in 1970 or Mexico in 1916, a "cleaning" or "punitive" expedition.

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49136

                #8
                Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                A pre-flight briefing, a bomb-run, bombs away......and

                It's MILLER TIME.

                Do mushroom clouds give you an erection BigBad?
                Last edited by Nickdfresh; 01-12-2005, 10:19 PM.

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                • ODShowtime
                  ROCKSTAR

                  • Jun 2004
                  • 5812

                  #9
                  Originally posted by FORD
                  Strike with WHAT, exactly?

                  They don't have troops to sustain another PNAC invasion/occupation. Let alone a justification for going in. And now even the neocons have to admit they LIED about WMD's in Iraq, so selling the next invasion ain't going to be quite as easy.
                  Like Nick said, they'll just bomb the place. At first.
                  gnaw on it

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49136

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ODShowtime
                    Like Nick said, they'll just bomb the place. At first.
                    Actually, I could see a limited ground incursion as well. But not a permanent occupation.

                    I think there have to be better ways to engage the Syrians. We have fucked up the balance of power in that part of the world enough already.

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                    • ODShowtime
                      ROCKSTAR

                      • Jun 2004
                      • 5812

                      #11
                      Dude, Americans on the ground! That's some serious fuckin shit! Goodbye Israeli/Palestinian peace. Not like it would matter, but it will be TOAST if that happens.
                      gnaw on it

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49136

                        #12
                        I don't know. But things are getting very syrious indeed. Pun intended.

                        But it may just be our sabre rattling to encourage the Syrians to cooperate. What disturbs me is that Assad has less control than I would have thought.

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                        • Dr. Love
                          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 7825

                          #13
                          I hope this happens. It'd be nice to have something interesting to read/discuss around here versus what has been here lately.
                          I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

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                          • ODShowtime
                            ROCKSTAR

                            • Jun 2004
                            • 5812

                            #14
                            shoulder-held advanced Igla SA-18 anti-aircraft missiles for Syria

                            Israel: Missile Sale Would Disrupt Region

                            45 minutes ago Middle East - AP

                            JERUSALEM - The planned sale of advanced Russian missiles to Syria will disrupt regional stability and Moscow should call off the deal, Israel's foreign minister said Thursday.

                            Israel fears that the shoulder-held anti-aircraft missiles could fall into the hands of Lebanese guerrillas and be aimed at Israeli targets.

                            Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom was the first official to confirm publicly that Israel has asked Russia to halt the deal. "We turned to the Russians and asked that they not complete this deal," Shalom said Thursday. "Syria is a country that supports terror and is supplying Hezbollah with weapons nonstop."

                            Shalom said the sale "will disrupt regional stability and won't improve the chances for peace."

                            The issue has clouded Israel-Russia relations, which had been steadily improving since the fall of the Soviet Union. Israeli officials said Israel could decide to allow the deal to go through rather than risk its relations with Russia, which it has been working to improve since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

                            The deal for the sale of advanced Igla SA-18 missiles was signed a few days ago, officials said. Experts said the anti-aircraft missiles could endanger frequent Israeli flights over Lebanon and on the Israeli side of the border.

                            David Siegel, a spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, said: "The reports in this regard are very disturbing and, as in other cases with strategic implications, we conduct an ongoing dialogue with the administration."

                            Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who is of Russian descent, has visited Moscow three times since taking office in 2001. He repeatedly has asked President Vladimir Putin to act against what Israel contends is a covert Iranian nuclear arms program and to pressure Syria to rein in its Lebanese and Palestinian proxies.

                            A deputy Russian foreign minister is in the region to discuss the missile issue, Israeli officials said on condition of anonymity.

                            Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said Russian-Israeli ties were sound. "As regards military-technical cooperation with Middle East governments, Russia strictly follows generally accepted regulations and is in accordance with international agreements directed at preventing the destabilizing accumulation of weapons," Yakovenko said in statement Wednesday.

                            Syrian President Bashar Assad is due to visit Russia Jan. 24-28.
                            gnaw on it

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                            • Nickdfresh
                              SUPER MODERATOR

                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49136

                              #15
                              These (SA-18) missiles may be meant more for American F-16's than for Israeli ones.

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