Does Dave have copies of the unreleased concerts ??

[Panamark]

We all know there is various live footage of CVH out there.
Its now become the holy grail for the CVH fan..
Lets look at Dave for a moment, back then he was involved
in the production, choreography and business matters with
Van Halen. Can someone here tell me truthfully that its only
EVH that owns copies of these concerts ??? You would think
that Dave would have insisted on having copies of all
this stuff....

So, whats stopping Dave from giving the fans what they
want? (The sisters obviously have no idea)
(Assuming he does have them.)

?????

Anyone have the goods on this one ?

[Rikk]

I do know that the band's manager actually took a bunch of footage with him when he was fired. It's been half-confirmed that the band have all the film negatives of OAKLAND '81. But as for '84 shows or other footage (the famous WACF tour footage), that's never been confirmed.

People always assume that bands have a big vault in some magical room where they keep all their stuff. But that's apparently completely untrue. ZEPPELIN apparently searched long and hard for the film masters to their ROYAL ALBERT HALL show from 1970, and even then, they only found the majority of the footage but a few songs missing from the reels or incomplete. Thus, the concert went from 2 1/2 hrs. to 1 hr. 50 min. on the DVD.

Hendrix's famous ROYAL ALBERT HALL show was filmed for a concert movie in 1969. Well, thirty-six years later, that concert movie has still not been officially released...tied up in litigation. In fact, it still hasn't come out on DVD because through legal loopholes, the Hendrix family doesn't own the footage or the soundtrack. And until those legal loopholes are cleared, they are unable to release a concert of the very artist they own. (Only legal loopholes allowed Jimi's 1970 BERKELEY concert to be owned by the Hendrix family and released...but even then, 50% of the actual footage is missing, and the recent DVD is still very incomplete.)

[Roguesgirl]

If Dave has them, can he release them w/o the sisters permission?

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Roguesgirl
If Dave has them, can he release them w/o the sisters permission?

No. He doesn't own the name VAN HALEN and thus can't release things on his own that the band VAN HALEN created. I'm almost sure there was something in his contract when he left the band to prevent this.

[Bill Lumbergh]

I just know Ed and Al have a lot of cool shit they have yet to clean up and release. These fuckers are sitting on a pot of gold...........

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
I just know Ed and Al have a lot of cool shit they have yet to clean up and release. These fuckers are sitting on a pot of gold...........

Lots of bands do this. ZEPPELIN were sitting on stacks of concert tapes and videos before the release last year, and there is still a ton of unreleased footage and unreleased tapes. There are even a few unreleased studio tracks. I've got some of them on bootleg, and there are some really cool things. I've also got a 2 DVD set of an entire pro-shot Zeppelin show from Seattle in 1977. And none of that came out in their recent DVD set (mainly because the sound is only soundboard and not actually possible for a surround remix).

VAN HALEN are the same...and just as ZEPPELIN did for years, they will keep claiming there is nothing really in the vault.

That smells about as reliable as GUWAPO getting an erection in the presence of a woman.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Originally posted by Rikk

That smells about as reliable as GUWAPO getting an erection in the presence of a woman.

VH will release an 8 cd box set of unreleased material, 6 new Roth era concert Dvds, and a Classic VH live album before that happens.

[Bill Lumbergh]

It's a shame parts of the RAH show arent on the Dvd. That early show had great versions of Tank You, and Heartbreaker(though snippets of those performances are on the dvd).

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
It's a shame parts of the RAH show arent on the Dvd. That early show had great versions of Tank You, and Heartbreaker(though snippets of those performances are on the dvd).

Yup, in the menus. The recordings exist (on multi-track), but apparently, actual film from those songs doesn't. Apparently, they also did a very raw version of SINCE I'VE BEEN LOVIN' YOU at those shows, way before it was actually recorded, with different lyrics and a different arrangement. It seems like all the organ songs were cut, huh?

Same with HEARTBREAKER...apparently, only a third of the footage existed for that, so they made the decision to cut it. And apparently it was filmed, but it was lost over the years when someone borrowed the footage.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
VH will release an 8 cd box set of unreleased material, 6 new Roth era concert Dvds, and a Classic VH live album before that happens.

LMFAO!!

[Bill Lumbergh]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
It's a shame parts of the RAH show arent on the Dvd. That early show had great versions of Tank You, and Heartbreaker(though snippets of those performances are on the dvd).

Whoops, I meant THANK YOU of course..........Cockvanhalen66's illiteracy is having an effect on me.......

[academic punk]

I would believe Dave has copies of everything, but in order for this material to see OFFICAL release, everyone who has a copyright on the material has to negotiate terms for its release.

Is that just the band members? Not necessarily. You also have the director of the film, the producer, the manager, WHOEVER.

As Rikk pointed out, the Hendrix estate has been in disarray for DECADES, and will continue to be for YEARS to come. Anyone who ever signed a contract regarding concert footage - who knows, maybe back in '78 someone once had the four members sing somehting saying "Joe Blow will be the exclusive film documentarian with Van halen for as long as the band exists", and can theoretically hold that over their heads. (This is essentially how Billy Joel has lost millions and millions throughout his career)(or why Springsteen sued his first manager Mike Appel back in '78)

With VH, I beleive it's the brothers who have always held this stuff back. Why? Because in the Hagar years they didn't want it to compete with what they were currently about (Sing's manager forebade the footage of the Police at the amnesty concerts to be used, b/c he didn't want it to compete Sting's new solo career)

You know what? At this point, Dave may even be holding back its release. Remember his lawsuit a few years back? If the brothers and Mike Anthony see THREE times the money he does for the copyrights on these songs, WHAT INCENTIVE DOES HE HAVE TO LET THEM RELEASE IT??? If this stuff is to see the light of day, I am CERTAIN dave will demand renegotiations of his compensations.

Sensibly enough, really.

[Roguesgirl]

and if it doesn't see the light of day, the fans lose again

[academic punk]

Yeah, but if it were you, you wouldn't release it for FREE, right?

If it's gonna come out, it can only come out once. Gotta do it right, production value-wise, promotion value-wise, and financially.

[Igosplut]

And you have to figure that this is BIG money. Agreed that Dave won't let these things out if he's gonna get the shaft on it.......