Ray Luzier is overrated [Archive] - The Diamond David Lee Roth Army

THUNDERROCKS

01-21-2005, 02:22 PM

I have to get this off my chest. Ray Luzier is simply overrated. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's bad, but he is overrated. He is very very average. I've met him several times and he is without a doubt one hell of a nice guy. I just think reviews saying he's as good as Alex are absurd. On the other hand, I've met Alex and he has the personality of a tree stump. Dave is the best front man and will make any band look sensational. I think Brian and Dave however are the primary members of this band. Brian today is as good as ed today.

WARF

01-21-2005, 02:24 PM

Hey fuckhead,

Did the steelers sign Charles Haley yet?

Bill Lumbergh

01-21-2005, 02:26 PM

Average?! Once again you show the depth of your musical knowledge. Let me re-phrase that for you. YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT. HOWS MINTO?!

Bill Lumbergh

01-21-2005, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by WARF
Hey fuckhead,

Did the steelers sign Charles Haley yet?

No, but they're taking a hard look at Butkus........he's looking for 10 years at 75 mil..........

Calderone

01-21-2005, 02:56 PM

Luzier is way better than Bissonette ..at playing rock

Nickdfresh

01-21-2005, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by THUNDERROCKS
I have to get this off my chest. I'm really, very gay. Don't get me wrong, I don't think anal is bad, but vaginas are overrated. My boyfriend is very very average. I've met him several times and he is without a doubt one hell of a nice guy. I just think reviews saying he's as good as Alex at probing my rectum are absurd. On the other hand, I've met Alex and he has a wang the size of a tree stump. Boy George is the best front man and will make any band look sensational. I think George Michael and Michael Jackson however are the primary members of this band of merry fire helmet polishers. I am as gay today as I ever was.

Carmine

01-21-2005, 03:04 PM

LMAO...great attachment Nick!

fanofdave

01-21-2005, 03:11 PM

hey thunderblocks,

you reek of joey thunderLESS dogshit.

go back to your gay porn head fluffing.

Golden AWe

01-21-2005, 03:26 PM

thunderrocks succeeded

on starting a provocative, useless thread

mewisemagic

01-21-2005, 04:22 PM

GLAD YOU GOT THAT OFF YOUR CHEST.NOW IF YOU CAN GET ALEXS NUTS OFF YOUR CHIN YOU WILL HAVE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING(dammit,im screamin again)

BrownSound1

01-21-2005, 04:30 PM

Ray Luzier is a damn fine drummer...end of FUCKING STORY.

Dan

01-21-2005, 06:01 PM

LoungeMachine

01-21-2005, 07:21 PM

Gee Joey,

Feeling the Love?

Hey, check out the wall for your SPP stock tip update.

Joey thought because a stock went up .17 that meant 17% !!!!!!!!

dolt.

And just like Brian Minto, Ray Luzier has never met or heard of you either fuckwad.

ELVIS

01-21-2005, 07:25 PM

Ray Luzier is great on DLR Band, but his live sound is bad and he doesn't know the Van Halen material very well...

LoungeMachine

01-21-2005, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by ELVIS
Ray Luzier is great on DLR Band, but his live sound is bad and he doesn't know the Van Halen material very well...

Really.:rolleyes:

Live sound is bad?

What are you basing this expert opinion on? Technique?, miking?, perhaps mixing? Or do you think he's just not tuning his heads properly? Equipment?

Gimme a break:p

Unless you've toured as his tech, you calling his live sound "bad" from whatever nose bleed cheap seat you caught him the one or two times is ridiculous.

I love critics.:D

YOU do a few tours of that caliber and come talk to me.

ELVIS

01-21-2005, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Really.:rolleyes:

What are you basing this expert opinion on? Technique?, miking?, perhaps mixing? Or do you think he's just not tuning his heads properly? Equipment?

Actually, from what boots I've listened to and the shows I've attended, I believe he uses a triggered electronic drum sound...

Also, his snare sound is terrable...

LoungeMachine

01-21-2005, 07:46 PM

rustoffa

01-21-2005, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by THUNDERROCKS
I have to get this off my chest. Ray Luzier is simply overrated.

If something like that has been wearing and tearing at ya, I'd say you're in pretty good shape.

Most people would have heavier stuff they wanted to "unload".....people asking for a bag for a pack of gum at the seven eleven, the way the steering wheel shimmys from side to side at a certain speed, how the hot plate on the coffee maker is too hot.....relevant shit like that.

Cuntsider yourself the zip-a-dee-doo-da, Bobby Mc Ferrin cock-sucking, carefree troll of the year.

I'd guess there's probably heavier stuff you need to get off your chest....namely overpaid homeless flistafucks depositing cleveland steamers like a concrete truck.

You suck,
Your thread sucks.

FORD

01-21-2005, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by ELVIS
Actually, from what boots I've listened to and the shows I've attended, I believe he uses a triggered electronic drum sound...

Also, his snare sound is terrable...

Considering all of those boots have been audience recordings, it's really hard to seperate the drum sound from the acoustics of the building when it comes down to the finer details.

I saw the DLR Band in 2001, 2002, and 2003, great seats at every show, and I would take Ray over Alex (post 1984) any time

In fact, if Dave could find a bass player who could duplicate Mikey's classic VH harmonies, the DLR Band would be a better Van Halen than Van Halen.

ELVIS

01-21-2005, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by FORD
Considering all of those boots have been audience recordings...

Not all...

Cato has some soundboard boots...

John Holmes

01-21-2005, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by THUNDERROCKS
I have to get this off my chest. Ray Luzier is simply overrated. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's bad, but he is overrated. He is very very average. I've met him several times and he is without a doubt one hell of a nice guy. I just think reviews saying he's as good as Alex are absurd. On the other hand, I've met Alex and he has the personality of a tree stump. Dave is the best front man and will make any band look sensational. I think Brian and Dave however are the primary members of this band. Brian today is as good as ed today.

Man, I don't want to be mean with you but... Luzier is very good, you should ask a buddy drummer and he will give you a confirmation.

Remember that Ray Luzier doesn't need to show off.

I remember a common mistake I did until sometime ago. I was listening to the Police and Andy Summers' guitar playing. I said to myself "Well, Andy Summers is average at best, his part are very easy". But then, I got a boot recording which comprised the early punk song "The Fall Out", and he did a lightning fast solo. My jaw dropped. For the rest of the bootleg, all he did was the usual reggae simple shit. Moral is: don't judge the actual skills of a drummer by the song he's playing; even the most underrated musician can surprise you.

FORD

01-21-2005, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by John Holmes
Man, I don't want to be mean with you but...

Be mean with him. Everyone else is, because he's a racist pedophile asshole.

Bill Lumbergh

01-21-2005, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by FORD
Be mean with him. Everyone else is, because he's a racist pedophile asshole.

Other than that he's a great guy though.

academic punk

01-21-2005, 08:29 PM

He doesn't know the VH material???

Pardon??!?

How could he know MORE about the VH material???

Bill Lumbergh

01-21-2005, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by academic punk
He doesn't know the VH material???

Pardon??!?

How could he know MORE about the VH material???

Exactly. He's been doing the SAME VH packed set for the last few years.

ELVIS

01-21-2005, 09:35 PM

..and doing it wrong...

WARF

01-21-2005, 10:18 PM

Ray Luzier is underated if anything!

academic punk

01-21-2005, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by ELVIS
..and doing it wrong...

If you mean he's not doing it exactly like Alex did on the record...GOOD!

A live context brings about a whole different set of circumstances to it, not the least of which being the audience at a Dave show ALWAYS raises the volume and the BPM a bit. Ray responds to that. As does the band (which has two guitars as opposed to one), so the mission isn't to ape Alex, it's to represent the song, and the audience, and the band, etc. To play it as THAT moment demands.

Tight motherfucker, Luzier. He's on.

ELVIS

01-21-2005, 10:42 PM

Whatever dude...

I acknowleged that he is a fine drummer, but I've known other drummers/Van Halen fans, who could better represent the material...

academic punk

01-21-2005, 10:44 PM

fair enough. we all have our opinions.

(any names that might be fmailiar? I'm interested in hearing)

ELVIS

01-21-2005, 10:49 PM

No, not really...

One is this guy I played with years ago in Mobile Alabama...

Big Tommy Aldridge fan who could switch into Alex mode amazingly well...

Awesome drummer...

83USFESTIVAL

01-22-2005, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by ELVIS
Ray Luzier is great on DLR Band, but his live sound is bad and he doesn't know the Van Halen material very well...

are you fucking kidding me? ray is a master live and has more passion and talent than tommy lee in 84's shout at the devil tour!

ELVIS

01-22-2005, 12:24 AM

That's not saying much...

DavidLeeNatra

01-22-2005, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by ELVIS
That's not saying much...

:D

Sarge

01-22-2005, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by ELVIS
Ray Luzier is great on DLR Band, but his live sound is bad and he doesn't know the Van Halen material very well...

Bro...
THat statement couldn't be further from the truth.
Ray is one skin poundin' , stick breakin Mo'Fo
The guy is awesome... better than Bissonette..

EbDawson

01-22-2005, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by academic punk
the mission isn't to ape Alex, it's to represent the song, and the audience, and the band, etc. To play it as THAT moment demands.

Tight motherfucker, Luzier. He's on.

Damn Right! I'd just as soon not have an alex impersonator. Luzier is awesome live! :killer:

ELVIS

01-22-2005, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Sarge
better than Bissonette..

That, I agree with...:D

Seshmeister

01-22-2005, 10:21 AM

Elvis you've seen and heard him live once? At an outside gig years ago?

Ray does a lot of subtle shit that you notice later not least his amazing ability to hit every backing vocal.

Your criticisms of him and Brian Young make me think you just want an exact identical copy of the original albums when you go to a show. What's the point in that?

Cheers!

:gulp:

Golden AWe

01-22-2005, 10:28 AM

I feel comparing AVH and Ray is a bit dumb. AVH was the man who was creating the original VH magic, and he did a grate job back then. Ray hasn't had the luck to be a part of a band that has been as successful commercially, but the same can be said of thousands of other amazing drummers around the world, some qualified on other areas of music that aren't commercially as popular as rock n' roll, hard rock.

That doesn't diminish his value or skills as a drummer, or as a franchise member of the DLR Band. I give him, and the fact that while he's displaying grate fill-ins and tricks, he's always having fun and smiling like it's not a big deal at all, full ten points.

ELVIS

01-22-2005, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Elvis you've seen and heard him live once? At an outside gig years ago?

Twice...

The other time was at a small club in Houma Louisiana...

Ray does a lot of subtle shit that you notice later not least his amazing ability to hit every backing vocal.

Haha...:D

His backing vocals remind me of the Jimi Hendrix Experience...

Not in a bad way, though...:D

Your criticisms of him and Brian Young make me think you just want an exact identical copy of the original albums when you go to a show. What's the point in that?

Maybe you're right...

I can dream, can't I ??

Cheers!

:gulp:

Cheers!

:elvis:

ELVIS

01-22-2005, 10:45 AM

Oh, BTW, the drumming on the Hideous Sun Demons is awesome!

:elvis:

Seshmeister

01-22-2005, 11:42 AM

Exactly!

I took a very experienced hyper critical drummer to a Roth gig last year and he was very impressed with Ray technically.

Actually I meant even when Ray is doing something else like a fill, he always somehow manages to swing his mike stand around just in time to make the backing vocal.

Much cooler than the Britney Spears style headset mikes that Bissonette used.

I found myself watching Ray quite a lot of the time at the last couple of gigs I went to.

Cheers!

:gulp:

LoungeMachine

01-22-2005, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by ELVIS
..and doing it wrong...

I know how you hate to deal with FACTS, being the faith based "believer" you are, but I'll ask anyway.....

What does he play "wrong" ????

Please list examples, or shut your wannabe mouth.

We don't always play the same song tge same way every night, no matter how well known the tune is, for any number of reasons. But mostly beause by nature we're creative people.

Pretty easy to be a critic from the basement. But then most rock critics I've met in my life have been FRUSTATED rock stars at best.

LoungeMachine

01-22-2005, 11:54 AM

AndyChad

01-24-2005, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by THUNDERROCKS
I have to get this off my chest. Ray Luzier is simply overrated. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's bad, but he is overrated. He is very very average. I've met him several times and he is without a doubt one hell of a nice guy. I just think reviews saying he's as good as Alex are absurd. On the other hand, I've met Alex and he has the personality of a tree stump. Dave is the best front man and will make any band look sensational. I think Brian and Dave however are the primary members of this band. Brian today is as good as ed today.

What a crock of shit!
I've seen other threads about AVH being better than this guy or that guy....and i've yet to see a name put forward that I could agree with.
Recently it was Copeland...he's probably forgotten more about drumming then AVH knows!!
Saw Luzier last year....he's the same, just awesome, lots of sublteties in there, and very powerful.
Here's the thing....I'm a drummer ( of sorts !), classic VH are my all time favourite band...but I'm sorry AVH is not a great drummer....a solid down the line rock drummer, yes, but not Bruford or Peart or Copeland or Bissonette. Just look at his godamn solos for fucks sake!

DavidLeeNatra

01-24-2005, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by AndyChad
What a crock of shit!Just look at his godamn solos for fucks sake!

ha ha...they sound like herman ze german's "roll the potatoes down the toms"-solos

diamondclaudio

01-26-2005, 07:46 PM

I thing Gregg Bissonette was way better than him as a heavy drummer. But the way,¿ what the hell is doin' Gregg nowadays??
Please answer this one...

Golden AWe

01-27-2005, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by Seshmeister

Much cooler than the Britney Spears style headset mikes that Bissonette used.

I found myself watching Ray quite a lot of the time at the last couple of gigs I went to.

double LOL!!!

Nickdfresh

01-27-2005, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by AndyChad
What a crock of shit!

Welcome to the world of Joe THUNDERROCKS!

NathanRay

01-28-2005, 12:10 AM

I need more boots maybe more booze, But can any of you meth-heads tell me if Rayman can make his Drums sound like a Harley Davidson Motor????? NO, Not Really....Thats where it's at.
Does his Solos Sound Like Beautiful Destruction and War...NO.

Dave wasn't kiddin' when he said Alex was on Heavy Artillery.

Ray's Cool But he can't even Touch Alex When Dave Stood In Front of Him, or Stood backstage during his drum solo.

Ray kicks ass. Alex was Fucking Atomic. Bissonnette Vs. Ray Luzier??
? they look the same. But I'm no Expert But I think this Thread is Gay.

BRANDON

03-15-2005, 04:38 PM

ray is the perfect drummer for dave. he rocks

franksters

03-15-2005, 10:41 PM

c'mon if you play in dave's band you are one of the fine players there is on the market now, period! it is the same for some other singers that i won't name here but c'mon dude these guys are with Dave for awhile now and they also have an instrumental project going on, please give the guy some credit, they rock they are constant and yes they can blow you away they have that fury!!!

I think you are a morron.

twonabomber

03-15-2005, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by NathanRay
can Rayman make his Drums sound like a Harley Davidson Motor????? NO, Not Really....Thats where it's at.

neither can Al. when he does that gimmick, they're drum samples and sequences.

cwsmith17

03-16-2005, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by Calderone
Luzier is way better than Bissonette ..at playing rock

WHAT!!!!!!????????

AndyChad

03-16-2005, 02:36 PM

WHY the fuck would you want your drums to sound like a Harley Davidson?!!
Like twonabomber said, its all sequenced shit...its not big and its not clever.

Steve Savicki

03-16-2005, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by FORD
Be mean with him. Everyone else is, because he's a racist pedophile asshole.

How many aliases has this guy had?

Mezro

03-16-2005, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Sarge
better than Bissonette..

I think a dildo strapped to a dog's wagging tail is better than Bissonette.

Mezro...I'll take Ray over the Bissonette marionette...

Carmine

03-16-2005, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by Mezro
I think a dildo strapped to a dog's wagging tail is better than Bissonette.

LMFAO!!

Mental images, Mez...mental images!!:D :D :D

NathanRay

03-31-2005, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by AndyChad
WHY the fuck would you want your drums to sound like a Harley Davidson?!!
Like twonabomber said, its all sequenced shit...its not big and its not clever.

yeah like he said...(bitchy ass voice) Well whatever but you sure as fuck think its cool when it pops on the radio and starts rattlin' yer seats. Shut the fuck up it's big and clever enough to get any body geeked.

Three Lock Rock

04-01-2005, 01:17 AM

roth has always put together the worst possible bands he could! steve vai was a piss poor excuse to replace eddie van halen! nobody could ever replace edward! and that's exactly what david tried to do. edwards STILL on top, and even if you don't believe it, you will when van halen and sammy release their next album and it converts all of you. every time sammy puts out an album with van halen, more and more roth fans come over to our side. its easy to figure out why, too, because sammy and van halen release albums with really good songs that are easy to rock out to (check out it's about time, that song was the shiznit!) - davids stuff is just weak cuz he's got no talent at all.

before my work is finished, everybody on this board will agree with me.

signed,

three lock rock

sammy 4 eva!!
david who?

generalroth

04-01-2005, 11:27 AM

Three lock cock sucks! go back to cabo and wabo some nuts! pussy boy!

Three Lock Rock

04-01-2005, 11:27 AM

dont you have anything original?

three lock rock

generalroth

04-01-2005, 11:34 AM

ask your hero! Three lock cock sucks! go back to cabo and wabo some nuts! pussy boy!

Three Lock Rock

04-01-2005, 11:36 AM

sammy has plenty thats original. i say plenty thats original. all you can do is copy and paste because you know you cant stand against me. thats why i own this site now. you rothtards arent much in the way of defending your jackoff icon, are you? then again, it doesnt surprise me much, considering that deep down you know that i am right, the album sales dont lie, and the ticket sales and relevance in todays music world doesnt lie. theres no way to defend david and you all know it. thats why its so easy for people like myself and tom vu to come in here and totally own your lazy asses.

keep copy and pasting, knock yourself out. i've already established the truth beyond any reasonable point, anything else you have to say about its just sour grapes on your part.

three lock rock

generalroth

04-01-2005, 11:38 AM

Three lock cock sucks! go back to cabo and wabo some nuts! pussy boy!

AndyChad

04-01-2005, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by NathanRay
yeah like he said...(bitchy ass voice) Well whatever but you sure as fuck think its cool when it pops on the radio and starts rattlin' yer seats. Shut the fuck up it's big and clever enough to get any body geeked.

Bollocks it does.

Big Worm

04-02-2005, 01:10 AM

JUST ADDING MY TWO CENTS WORTH....

I THINK OLE RAYMOND IS A GREAT DRUMMER AND REPRESENTS THE DLR BAND AND ALOT OF THE CLASSIC VH MUSIC WELL. I SAW HIM/DLR ONCE IN ATLANTA, AND IT WAS A GREAT SHOW ALL AROUND FOR BEING AN OUTDOOR EVENT.

AS FOR SAMMY....WELL......WHAT CAN ANYONE SAY ABOUT SAMMY?

NOTHING BUT HAGAR SUCKS.....THATS ABOUT IT, AT LEAST AROUND HERE AND I AGREE WITH THE IMMORAL MAJORITY ON THAT ONE.

FUCK OFF ROY HAGAR!!!