'If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits'

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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    'If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits'

    'If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits'
    By Clare Chapman
    (Filed: 30/01/2005)

    A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.



    Prostitution was legalised in Germany just over two years ago and brothel owners – who must pay tax and employee health insurance – were granted access to official databases of jobseekers.

    The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in a cafe.

    She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realise that she was calling a brothel.

    Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.

    The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse.

    When the waitress looked into suing the job centre, she found out that it had not broken the law. Job centres that refuse to penalise people who turn down a job by cutting their benefits face legal action from the potential employer.

    "There is now nothing in the law to stop women from being sent into the sex industry," said Merchthild Garweg, a lawyer from Hamburg who specialises in such cases. "The new regulations say that working in the sex industry is not immoral any more, and so jobs cannot be turned down without a risk to benefits."

    Miss Garweg said that women who had worked in call centres had been offered jobs on telephone sex lines. At one job centre in the city of Gotha, a 23-year-old woman was told that she had to attend an interview as a "nude model", and should report back on the meeting. Employers in the sex industry can also advertise in job centres, a move that came into force this month. A job centre that refuses to accept the advertisement can be sued.

    Tatiana Ulyanova, who owns a brothel in central Berlin, has been searching the online database of her local job centre for recruits.

    "Why shouldn't I look for employees through the job centre when I pay my taxes just like anybody else?" said Miss Ulyanova.

    Ulrich Kueperkoch wanted to open a brothel in Goerlitz, in former East Germany, but his local job centre withdrew his advertisement for 12 prostitutes, saying it would be impossible to find them.

    Mr Kueperkoch said that he was confident of demand for a brothel in the area and planned to take a claim for compensation to the highest court. Prostitution was legalised in Germany in 2002 because the government believed that this would help to combat trafficking in women and cut links to organised crime.

    Miss Garweg believes that pressure on job centres to meet employment targets will soon result in them using their powers to cut the benefits of women who refuse jobs providing sexual services.

    "They are already prepared to push women into jobs related to sexual services, but which don't count as prostitution,'' she said.

    "Now that prostitution is no longer considered by the law to be immoral, there is really nothing but the goodwill of the job centres to stop them from pushing women into jobs they don't want to do."

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    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    #2
    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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    • Little_Skittles
      Foot Soldier
      • Dec 2004
      • 557

      #3
      oh my god yo what the fuck?! you sick sick morally wrong people .
      Not only is a brother gross but i think if women are forced into this than men should be too.
      Do you love me peter? Yes of course my lord. Then feed my sheep.

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      • JCOOK

        #4
        You guys ever see any of those ugly bitches at the unemployment office?

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        • BigBadBrian
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jan 2004
          • 10625

          #5
          I see none of our Socialist friends, particularly kentuckyklira, care to respond. Par for the course.
          “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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          • BigBadBrian
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jan 2004
            • 10625

            #6
            Originally posted by BigBadBrian
            I see none of our Socialist friends, particularly kentuckyklira, care to respond. Par for the course.
            :confused:
            “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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            • WACF
              Crazy Ass Mofo
              • Jan 2004
              • 2920

              #7
              That just seems fucked up.....

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              • Mishar_McLeud
                Head Fluffer
                • Apr 2004
                • 213

                #8
                Originally posted by Little_Skittles
                oh my god yo what the fuck?! you sick sick morally wrong people .
                Not only is a brother gross but i think if women are forced into this than men should be too.

                In Holland maybe
                'If there isn't something crazy that goes on in the span of the day then something's not right', - Zakk Wylde

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                • Carmine
                  ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 7692

                  #9
                  These ladies need a good Union rep?

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49205

                    #10
                    Actually, since I was unemployed recently, I was going to make a "Fred Garvan, male prostitute" joke, but I couldn't find the Dan Ackroyd pics in his get up.

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                    • Vivian Campbell
                      Head Fluffer
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 356

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                      I see none of our Socialist friends, particularly kentuckyklira, care to respond. Par for the course.
                      Bump
                      The Fat Lady is singing for Van Hagar.

                      http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/attac...&postid=392002

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                      • Seshmeister
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Oct 2003
                        • 35192

                        #12
                        Seems like a good idea.

                        Most of these people don't have jobs because they can't be bothered getting out of bed...

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                        • ODShowtime
                          ROCKSTAR

                          • Jun 2004
                          • 5812

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Seshmeister
                          Most of these people don't have jobs because they can't be bothered getting out of bed...
                          well, if they're forced into prostitution at least they can do something productive while in bed
                          gnaw on it

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                          • Pontius Pilate
                            Groupie
                            • Jan 2005
                            • 54

                            #14
                            This is the end result of investing the government with maternal powers. A government that can give you everything can take it all away if you do not dance to the piper's tune. Bismarck and Hitler's welfare State has been realized. A Weimar world of decadence in which women are objectified, men are infantilized, and children and old people are dehumanized. The left wing dream realized. Hooray!
                            Originally posted by scorpioboy33
                            you are a piece of garbage...a nothing...a zero...you don't matter....you make me sick...karma has a way of biting you in the ass when you least expect it ...expect it...!
                            What is Truth?

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                            • BigBadBrian
                              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 10625

                              #15
                              bump
                              “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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