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  • ODShowtime
    ROCKSTAR

    • Jun 2004
    • 5812

    Bush Gone Wild

    Mon Feb 7, 7:01 PM ET Op/Ed

    By Ted Rall

    Trying to Start War Against Iran

    PARIS--We're already at war with Iran. The question isn't whether or not they'll fight back. The question is when and how.

    Bush used his State of the Union address to signal that Iran is his next target of war, calling it "the world's primary state sponsor of terror--pursuing nuclear weapons while depriving its people of the freedom they seek and deserve." Though Condoleezza Rice pledges that war against Iran "is simply not on the agenda at this point," she issued similar assurances in 2002 when, in fact, Bush had already green-lighted war against Iraq. "When asked [at her confirmation hearing] whether the United States' goal was to replace the Islamic Republic [of Iran]," reports the International Herald-Tribune, Rice "did not say no." And for good reason. As the White House confirms, U.S. Special Forces commandos have been operating on Iranian soil since last year, scoping out military bases as targets of future airstrikes. United Press International reports that U.S. spy jets have been deployed over Iran in order to goad defense radar stations into locking in on them, revealing their positions for the coming war. Can you imagine how Bush would react to news that Mexican ground troops were snapping souvenir photos of Los Alamos, or that the Canadian air force was jetting over the Midwestern stratosphere? There's no difference. In such a case Bush could easily get the U.N. to sign off on war. This is more than a one-time border incursion. This is invasion, under international law the ultimate justification for a declaration of war--by Iran.

    Since they declared mission accomplished in Iraq a couple of years ago, the hard-right Bush Administration's most bellicose zealots have been itching to invade Iran. But Bush probably can't let Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz have their way. Afghanistan and Iraq have used up all of our available troops and cash. Even cutting and running from Iraq wouldn't do the trick. If 150,000 soldiers stationed in Iraq can't defeat a few thousand resistance fighters with RPGs and IEDs, how will they fare against Iran--a nation three times the size of Iraq, whose terrain includes a range of big-ass mountains, which has a half-million-man standing army equipped with modern hardware?

    Denied their longed-for ground invasion, the neocons have fallen back to the next best thing: using Israel to launch proxy airstrikes against possible WMD and other military installations in Iran's eastern desert. Placing Iran as the "top of the list" of the world's most troublesome nations during a high-profile television appearance, Dick Cheney referenced Israel's 1981 preemptive bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor as a model for U.S. military action against Iran. "They understand that they were overly optimistic about Iraq," a person in a position to know the Administration's intentions tells me. "But they think they've learned from their mistakes, that young Iranians want democracy. If we put the mullahs off-balance, they say, the people will overthrow them."

    That's a big gamble. Iran already has, in Ian Bremmer's words, "one of the most pluralist and (relatively) democratic regimes in the Middle East." Moreover, distrust of the United States--which overthrew Iran's democratic government in 1953, backed the Shah's vicious dictatorship and has worked tirelessly to ruin the Iranian economy through sanctions and covert sabotage since the 1978 Islamic revolution--can hardly be overstated. The kids may want freedom, but they don't believe the U.S. will deliver it. And they live right next door to Iraq, where American "liberation" leaves something to be desired.

    In the middle to long run, "surgical" airstrikes on Iranian military infrastructure would probably be even more costly to U.S. interests than an outright ground invasion. Because Iranian officials have lived under the threat of attack for 25 years, they've taken pains to carefully conceal their extensive military infrastructure, which may include nuclear weapons. Pentagon analysts concede that these efforts have been effective enough to deny Israel or the U.S. the ability to cripple Iran's ability to field fighter jets or launch missiles.

    Iranian leaders already feel the squeeze between U.S.-occupied Iraq and Afghanistan. The day after an Israeli or U.S. attack, Iranian leaders would correctly surmise that failure to respond would undermine their domestic political credibility. Jumping through U.S.-imposed hoops, as Saddam did during the winter of 2002-3, would be perceived by the Bushists as an indication of weakness. Ex-president Hussein can tell you how well cooperation works.

    The nightmare scenario happens to be the most likely. To stand a chance in its confrontation with the United States, Iran would require the support of neighboring Arab countries. But now that Iraq has been neutered by partition, civil war and occupation, Iran is the only large majority Shia nation in the Middle East. Since many Sunnis consider Shiaism a heretical strain of Islam, Iranians would otherwise suffer alone. Were Iran to retaliate against Israel--whether responding to an attack originating from the U.S. or Israel wouldn't matter since Iran's missiles could only reach the latter--that would change. Arab states, forced to choose between Shia Iran and the Jewish state, would yield to popular pressure to come to Iran's aid. If the Iranians have managed to build one nuke, they might use it against Tel Aviv. Cheney's half-baked rehash of 1981 could fulfill every late 20th century's worst-case scenario by setting ablaze the entire Middle East.

    If war follows its own internal logic, so does the clash of words and gestures that leads up to it. The U.S. has backed Iran into a geographic and diplomatic corner, breaking the first rule of Machiavelli 101 by encouraging nuclear proliferation as the sole guarantee against U.S.-led regime change. (Kim Jung Il, President Khatami on Line 1.) Losing the wars against Afghanistan and Iraq made the Bushists Gone Wild lose face; now they need a bigger win than ever. One hopes for cool heads to prevail, but they are in short supply. The two sides are locked in a death grip in which self-perpetuation necessitates the other's destruction.
    gnaw on it
  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    #2
    Iran, US have shared interests in Iraq, says Rafsanjani


    New York, Feb 8, Kyodo/IRNA -- Iran and the United States have a
    common enemy in the Al-Qaeda terrorist network and shared interests
    in Iraq, former Iranian president Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said
    in an interview published Monday.

    Rafsanjani, one of Iran`s most powerful leaders, said in the
    interview with `USA Today` in Tehran on Sunday that Iraq`s January 30
    national elections went "well" and that Al-Qaeda terrorists "are our
    enemies, too."

    "You are aware of what (Al-Qaeda has) done to our (fellow
    Shiites) in Iraq.

    He described as "nonsense" statements by US President George W.
    Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Iran`s "cleric-run
    government" and human rights record.

    "We say (the United States) wouldn`t dare to attack us, and they
    have tested it once (the failed hostage rescue in 1980)," he added.

    "The United States is a big country, but unfortunately it
    seems it has the brain of a little bird not befitting the greatness
    of the country," Rafsanjani said.

    He also said Iran is not aspiring to acquire nuclear weapons.
    "We are certain that we will never use such weapons; therefore, they
    have no use for us," he said.

    Rafsanjani was Iranian president from 1989 to 1997 and is likely
    to run for president again in June.



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    • guwapo_rocker

      #3
      Re: Bush Gone Wild

      Originally posted by ODShowtime
      or that the Canadian air force was jetting over the Midwestern stratosphere?
      Our plane is in the shop.....

      Needs a new prop.

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      • Steve Savicki
        Full Member Status

        • Jan 2004
        • 3934

        #4
        Can 50.8 to 52% explain why they voted for this guy?
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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49136

          #5
          Originally posted by ELVIS
          Iran, US have shared interests in Iraq, says Rafsanjani


          New York, Feb 8, Kyodo/IRNA -- Iran and the United States have a
          common enemy in the Al-Qaeda terrorist network and shared interests
          in Iraq, former Iranian president Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said
          in an interview published Monday.

          Rafsanjani, one of Iran`s most powerful leaders, said in the
          interview with `USA Today` in Tehran on Sunday that Iraq`s January 30
          national elections went "well" and that Al-Qaeda terrorists "are our
          enemies, too."

          "You are aware of what (Al-Qaeda has) done to our (fellow
          Shiites) in Iraq.

          He described as "nonsense" statements by US President George W.
          Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Iran`s "cleric-run
          government" and human rights record.

          "We say (the United States) wouldn`t dare to attack us, and they
          have tested it once (the failed hostage rescue in 1980)," he added.

          "The United States is a big country, but unfortunately it
          seems it has the brain of a little bird not befitting the greatness
          of the country," Rafsanjani said.

          He also said Iran is not aspiring to acquire nuclear weapons.
          "We are certain that we will never use such weapons; therefore, they
          have no use for us," he said.

          Rafsanjani was Iranian president from 1989 to 1997 and is likely
          to run for president again in June.




          Great! That's our "in' to seek dialogue with Iran and save "face," the one going on between the Franco-German/UK European Union commission and the Iranian Gov't. The one the Iranians have been waiting for us to enter a dialogue rather than threaten them with our bogus, irrational sabre-rattling.

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49136

            #6
            Re: Bush Gone Wild

            Originally posted by ODShowtime
            Mon Feb 7, 7:01 PM ET Op/Ed

            By Ted Rall

            Trying to Start War Against Iran

            PARIS--We're already at war with Iran. The question isn't whether...
            You're on fire today with those articles Matt!

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            • ODShowtime
              ROCKSTAR

              • Jun 2004
              • 5812

              #7
              No Nick, we need to start a war so we can get paid! Where's the profits in "diplomacy"?
              gnaw on it

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              • ELVIS
                Banned
                • Dec 2003
                • 44120

                #8
                Where's the link to that article ??

                I find it difficult to take "big-ass mountains" with any seriousness...

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                • ODShowtime
                  ROCKSTAR

                  • Jun 2004
                  • 5812

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ELVIS
                  Rafsanjani, one of Iran`s most powerful leaders, said in the
                  interview with `USA Today` in Tehran on Sunday that

                  "The United States is a big country, but unfortunately it
                  seems it has the brain of a little bird not befitting the greatness
                  of the country,"
                  I hate when one of those ragheads is right about our country.
                  gnaw on it

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                  • ODShowtime
                    ROCKSTAR

                    • Jun 2004
                    • 5812

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ELVIS
                    Where's the link to that article ??

                    I find it difficult to take "big-ass mountains" with any seriousness...
                    sorry I forgot:



                    Big Teddy tells it like it is.
                    gnaw on it

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                    • ELVIS
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 44120

                      #11
                      Good article though...

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                      • ODShowtime
                        ROCKSTAR

                        • Jun 2004
                        • 5812

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ELVIS
                        Good article though...
                        This guy is almost always good. His cartoons are great too. I appreciate your additions to the discussion!
                        gnaw on it

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                        • Big Train
                          Full Member Status

                          • Apr 2004
                          • 4011

                          #13
                          Oh no, we are flying over and goading them? Like we aren't with 12 other countries at the moment. You think it doesn't happen to us? Chinese planes "bumping us", sub hunts going on worldwide. Taking any of that as a precursor to war is a bit dim.

                          The facts still remain that we are committed and stressed financially and militarily here. Bush will not start another war in the next 4 years as there is no popular support for another engagement. The boogeyman can say all they want, but it simply is not feasbile nor would it be allowed to happen

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                          • ODShowtime
                            ROCKSTAR

                            • Jun 2004
                            • 5812

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Big Train
                            Oh no, we are flying over and goading them? Like we aren't with 12 other countries at the moment.

                            What other countries have had their neighbors in the east and west invaded and conquered by us in the last 4 years? How much more obvious could it get?

                            The facts still remain that we are committed and stressed financially and militarily here. Bush will not start another war in the next 4 years as there is no popular support for another engagement. The boogeyman can say all they want, but it simply is not feasbile nor would it be allowed to happen
                            Since when has feasibility or the public's wishes meant a god-damned thing to these assholes?

                            I feel like I'm Big Train's alarm clock. WAKE UP IT'S REALITY TIME!
                            gnaw on it

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                            • Big Train
                              Full Member Status

                              • Apr 2004
                              • 4011

                              #15
                              Oh, I'm wide awake.

                              Ok, let me try to explain in terms a lib would understand.

                              On the one hand, Bush is on his way out of public life, so if he is the scumbag you all proclaim him to be, cashing out should be his number one priority. Now, with all his closeness to oil and defense, he has done plenty for those industries. If I am to follow the logic presented in other threads, he is now using SS as a way to feed his "wall st. cronies".

                              If nothing else, the political risk to his domestic agenda is to high risking another military engagement. It would give the Dems a strong foothold to regroup and rail. How is that worth it to him when defense and oil are already greased? That's right, it isn't.

                              The Dems are down and out at the moment, so Republicans are focused on pushing all their domestic agenda items through NOW, uncontested. Foreign Affairs are already to entangled. The potential upside to attacking Iran is not large enough.

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