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  • LoungeMachine
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    Lou and Marlowe1 are moving to California!!!!

    SAN FRANCISCO (March 14) - A judge ruled Monday that California's ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional - a legal milestone that, if upheld on appeal, would open the way for the most populous state to follow Massachusetts in allowing same-sex couples to wed.

    Judge Richard Kramer of San Francisco County's trial-level Superior Court likened the ban to laws requiring racial segregation in schools, and said there appears to be ''no rational purpose'' for denying marriage to gay couples.

    The ruling came in response to lawsuits filed by the city of San Francisco and a dozen gay couples a year ago after the California Supreme Court halted a four-week same-sex marriage spree started by Mayor Gavin Newsom.

    The opinion had been eagerly awaited because of San Francisco's historical role as a gay rights battleground.

    Gay marriage supporters hailed the ruling as a historic development akin to the 1948 state Supreme Court decision that made California the first state to legalize interracial marriage.

    ''Today's ruling is an important step toward a more fair and just California that rejects discrimination and affirms family values for all California families,'' San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera said.

    Conservative leaders expressed outrage at the ruling and vowed to appeal.

    ''For a single judge to rule there is no conceivable purpose for preserving marriage as one man and one woman is mind-boggling,'' said Liberty Counsel President Mathew Staver. ''This decision will be gasoline on the fire of the pro-marriage movement in California as well as the rest of the country.

    Last winter, nearly 4,000 gay couples got married after Newsom instructed the city to issue them licenses, in defiance of state law. The California Supreme Court later declared those marriages void, saying the mayor overstepped his authority. But the court did not address the underlying issue of whether the law against gay marriage violates the California Constitution.

    At issue in the current case were a 1977 law that defined marriage as ''a personal relation arising out of a civil contract between a man and a woman,'' and a voter-approved measure in 2000 that amended the law to say more explicitly: ''Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.''

    Gay marriage opponents were particularly upset by the judge's decision to nullify to 2000 proposition - approved by 61 percent of voters.

    ''The practical effect is the disregard of close to two-thirds of the people of California who used the initiative process to ensure that marriage would remain between one man and one woman,'' said Robert Tyler, an attorney for the Alliance Defense Fund.

    The state maintained that tradition dictates that marriage should be limited to opposite-sex couples. Attorney General Bill Lockyer also cited the state's domestic-partners law as evidence that California does not discriminate against gays.

    But Kramer rejected that argument, citing Brown v. Board of Education - the landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision that struck down segregated schools.

    ''The idea that marriage-like rights without marriage is adequate smacks of a concept long rejected by the courts - separate but equal,'' the judge wrote.

    It could be months or years before the state actually sanctions same-sex marriage, if ever. Kramer's decision is stayed automatically for 60 days to allow time for appeal.

    Lockyer has said in the past that he expected the matter eventually would have to be settled by the California Supreme Court.

    A jovial Newsom was flanked by several same-sex couples and their supporters at a City Hall news conference shortly after the ruling was announced. ''We will not be appealing this decision,'' the mayor joked as the crowd broke into laughter.

    Two bills now before the California Legislature would put a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage on the November ballot. If California voters approve such an amendment, as those in 13 other states did last year, that would put the issue out of the control of lawmakers and the courts.

    The decision is the latest development in a national debate that has been raging since 2003, when the highest court in Massachusetts decided that denying gay couples the right to wed was unconstitutional.

    In the wake of the Massachusetts ruling, gay rights advocates filed lawsuits seeking to strike down traditional marriage laws in several other states. Opponents responded by proposing state and federal constitutional amendments banning gay marriage.

    Around the country, Kramer is the fourth trial court judge in recent months to decide that the right to marry and its benefits must be extended to same-sex couples.

    Just as many judges have gone the other way in recent months, however, refusing to accept the argument that keeping gays from marrying violates their civil rights.

    California has the highest percentage of same-sex partners in the nation, and its Legislature has gone further than any other in providing gay couples the benefits of marriage without being forced to do so by court order.


    AP
    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?
  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58783

    #2
    And before any of the Busheep make the obligatory "liberal judges legislating from the bench" rants, I'd just like to point out that Judge Kramer is a Republican, appointed by BCE flunkie Pete Wilson.
    Eat Us And Smile

    Cenk For America 2024!!

    Justice Democrats


    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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    • ELVIS
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
      • 44120

      #3
      Come on out of the closet, FORD...

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 58783

        #4
        Originally posted by ELVIS
        Come on out of the closet, FORD...
        I don't have a closet to come out of. I just believe in equal rights.
        Eat Us And Smile

        Cenk For America 2024!!

        Justice Democrats


        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • Cathedral
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Jan 2004
          • 6621

          #5
          It's not over yet.
          And yes, Judge Kramer is a Republican. I just want you to know i acknowledge that fact, Ford.

          He's just another Judge that does more than interpret the constitution and must be reigned in with the rest of them.

          It's not a good thing to get into the practice of going against the will of the people. those days are coming to an end very soon.

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          • Dr. Love
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Jan 2004
            • 7832

            #6
            Best wishes to Mr. and Mrs. Marlowe1
            I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49205

              #7
              Originally posted by ELVIS
              Come on out of the closet, FORD...
              You first!

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              • LoungeMachine
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jul 2004
                • 32576

                #8
                Originally posted by Dr. Love
                Best wishes to Mr. and Mrs. Marlowe1
                They've registered at Target.

                A nice gravy boat wouldn't be out of the question, Doc
                Originally posted by Kristy
                Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                Originally posted by cadaverdog
                I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                • LoungeMachine
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 32576

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Cathedral


                  It's not a good thing to get into the practice of going against the will of the people.

                  My good friend Cath is FOR decriminalization of drugs?

                  wonderful news
                  Originally posted by Kristy
                  Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                  Originally posted by cadaverdog
                  I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                  • kentuckyklira
                    Veteran
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 1775

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Cathedral

                    It's not a good thing to get into the practice of going against the will of the people. those days are coming to an end very soon.
                    Haven´t we heard that kind of thing before??

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                    • LoungeMachine
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 32576

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Cathedral


                      It's not a good thing to get into the practice of going against the will of the people. those days are coming to an end very soon.



                      Support fades for Bush's Social Security proposal

                      The Washington Post


                      WASHINGTON — Barely a third of the public approves of the way President Bush is dealing with Social Security.

                      A majority says the more they hear about Bush's plan to reform the giant retirement system, the less they like it, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

                      Bush's overall job approval rating stood at 50 percent, unchanged from last month and nearly exactly where it was a year ago. Currently, 48 percent disapprove of the job Bush is doing as president.

                      On Social Security, the president's popularity continues to decline. Thirty-five percent of those surveyed said they approved of the way Bush is handling Social Security, down three points since January and the lowest level of support for Bush on this issue ever recorded in Post-ABC polls.

                      Bush has made Social Security reform the cornerstone of his domestic policy agenda. But his efforts to win public support for his proposals to change the system appear to be having just the opposite effect, according to the poll.

                      Nearly six in 10 — 58 percent — say they are more inclined to oppose the administration's reform plans as they learn more about it. Only a third say they are more receptive to Bush's proposals as more details become available.

                      A total of 1,001 randomly selected adults were interviewed March 10-13. Margin of sampling error for the overall results is plus or minus three percentage points.
                      Originally posted by Kristy
                      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                      Originally posted by cadaverdog
                      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                      • Cathedral
                        ROTH ARMY ELITE
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 6621

                        #12
                        I am all for decriminalizing drugs, especially pot cause i loved smoking that stuff. I just outgrew it, and that wasn't all that long ago either.
                        Now i am doing my best to post in these threads cautiously, I don't want to implode again like i did just the other day (and i was doing so well), but my passion for some things gets the better of me from time to time.

                        I just think that when the people speak, those who work for us walk a thin line by going against that.

                        I don't have any more support for Bush, he let me down and my only problem is that i figured it out to late.

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                        • LoungeMachine
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 32576

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Cathedral


                          I don't have any more support for Bush, he let me down and my only problem is that i figured it out to late.
                          Seriously, that's very commendable.

                          Too few on the Right will even ADMIT to his failings, lies, and motives.

                          All we ask is that he's held accountable, as others before him in that office most certainly were.

                          Welcome my friend, to the side of reason.

                          There is nothing either compassionate, nor conservative about this man and his group.

                          History will not look kindly on the Bush years......
                          Originally posted by Kristy
                          Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                          Originally posted by cadaverdog
                          I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                          • Cathedral
                            ROTH ARMY ELITE
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 6621

                            #14
                            Originally posted by kentuckyklira
                            Haven´t we heard that kind of thing before??

                            I don't understand your point.
                            If a government represents all it's people fairly then how can that be a bad thing?

                            I don't see people being killed for being gay, and i won't support that either.

                            I am for preserving the institution of marriage as it has stood in our country since the beginning.
                            Give all couples the legal rights they deserve, that i do think is fair, but create an institution that doesn't infringe upon the one based on faith values.
                            The scripture speaks against it, so it cannot be ordained in a church of God.
                            You don't like the term Civil Unions?
                            Fine, call it something else, but make it a seperate and unique institution all it's own.

                            It's just that simple.

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                            • LoungeMachine
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 32576

                              #15
                              " Marriage " to me is religious.

                              Each faith should be allowed it's own rules.

                              HOWEVER

                              "Civil Unions " recognized by the State for legal reasons should NOT be denied to anyone. [ except katydid of course ]
                              Originally posted by Kristy
                              Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                              Originally posted by cadaverdog
                              I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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