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BigBadBrian
02-22-2004, 12:55 PM
WASHINGTON — Consumer advocate Ralph Nader (search) announced Sunday he will run again for the presidency, declaring that Washington has become "corporate occupied territory" and arguing there is too little difference between the Democratic and Republican parties.



Nader, who will turn 70 this week, said he contemplated retirement but decided against that. "I've decided to run as an independent candidate for president," he announced in a televised interview

"This country has more problems and injustices than it deserves," Nader said, bemoaning a "democracy gap." He said he needed to get into the race to "challenge this two-party duopoly."

"There's too much power and wealth in too few hands," he said. "They have taken over Washington."

"Washington is now corporate occupied territory," Nader said. "There is now a for-sale sign on most agencies and departments. ... Money is flowing in like never before. It means that corporations are saying no to the necessities of the American people. ... Basically, it's question of both parties flunking."

Asked if he would withdraw if he concluded his candidacy would merely ensure President Bush's re-election, Nader said, "When and if that eventuality occurs, you can invite me back on the program and I'll give you the answer."

Nader decided against running under the banner of the Green Party (search). His candidacy four years ago has been blamed by many Democrats for costing Al Gore the election against George W. Bush.

Last week, Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe (search) revealed that he had met with Nader several times urging him not to run.

Asked if he was getting into the race to be a spoiler, Nader replied: "A spoiler is a contemptuous term, as if anyody who dares to challenge the two party system .. is a spoiler, and we've got to fight that. You can't do that from the outside, ... You've got to fight that from the inside as well."

"Let me say, this is going to be difficult," said Nader, who planned a round of interviews after his announcement. "This isn't just our fight. This is a fight for all third parties ... They want to have a chance to compete. This is not a democracy that can be controlled by two parties in the grip of corporate interests."

Third party candidacies have been a greater part of presidential politics in recent years; businessman Ross Perot twice ran for president, winning 19 percent of the vote in his first try in 1992 against Bill Clinton and then-President George H.W. Bush.

"It's his personal vanity because he has no movement. Nobody's backing him," New Mexico Democratic Gov. Bill Richardson said Sunday in advance of Nader's announcement.

"The Greens aren't backing him. His friends urge him not to do it. It's all about himself," Richardson told "Fox News Sunday."

"Now, Ralph's made some great contributions to consumer issues over the years, but clearly it's not going to help us," he said. "I don't think he'll have a sizable impact, but it's terrible if he goes ahead because it's about him. It's about his ego. It's about his vanity and not about a movement that supposedly he headed for many years very effectively."

As the Green Party's nominee in 2000, Nader appeared on the ballot in 43 states and Washington, D.C., garnering only 2.7 percent of the vote. But in Florida and New Hampshire, Bush won such narrow victories that had Gore received the bulk of Nader's votes in those states, he would have won the general election.

FORD
02-22-2004, 02:52 PM
I'm not saying I'll vote for him, but I sure as Hell can't disagree with him. He's absolutely correct about the corporatist sellouts running both major parties, and they own Judas as much as they do Junior.

BigBadBrian
02-22-2004, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by FORD
I'm not saying I'll vote for him, but I sure as Hell can't disagree with him. He's absolutely correct about the corporatist sellouts running both major parties, and they own Judas as much as they do Junior.

The DNC won't realize the choice they've selected is not palatable to a good portion of their base until people vote for someone who is of their political liking, whether that's a Dem or not. The "Anybody But Bush" cracks me up in this regard, in effect saying 'Vote who we tell you to an no one else.'

The same can be said of the staunch, hard-core Conservatives in the Republican party who don't like some of Bush's recent actions.

rustoffa
02-22-2004, 06:39 PM
One thing's for sure,Nader is the equivalent of a Weimaraner.

Flash Bastard
02-22-2004, 11:58 PM
Thanks to Ralph Nader for securing another Rebublican victory in 2004!

Eh, FORD? :)

FORD
02-23-2004, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by Flash Bastard
Thanks to Ralph Nader for securing another Rebublican victory in 2004!

Eh, FORD? :)

Nope. The DLC did that already when they put all their eggs in the Judas IsKerryot basket :(

John Ashcroft
02-23-2004, 08:26 AM
In preps for Hillary's '08 run.

FORD
02-23-2004, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
In preps for Hillary's '08 run.

If there's a 2008 election at all, there's no way in fucking Hell that sellout gets my vote either.

BigBadBrian
02-23-2004, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by FORD
If there's a 2008 election at all, there's no way in fucking Hell that sellout gets my vote either.

She's the odds on favorite for the '08 Dem Nomination. I think the Republican wave will have subsided by then and she could even get elected. The only way the Repubs have a chance after W is to get someone totally uninvolved, at least for a few years, from the current administration.

Colin Powell could probably do it. He'll resign after the election, as will a vast majority of Bush's cabinet. Cabinet level officials usually burn out after a few years. Clinton had what...... like 3 Secretaries of State and 3 Secretaries of Defense, right? I just hope Wolfowitz is denied Rumsfeld's seat when he leaves.

FORD
02-23-2004, 10:00 AM
The only thing Wolfoshitz deserves is the death penalty for treason.

BigBadBrian
02-23-2004, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by FORD
The only thing Wolfoshitz deserves is the death penalty for treason.

I don't like some of the silly-assed ideas he's proposing on how to realign the US military.

rustoffa
02-23-2004, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I don't like some of the silly-assed ideas he's proposing on how to realign the US military.
Me either.

John Ashcroft
02-23-2004, 12:37 PM
It's gonna have to be a governor, and not Jeb. I like Engler.

FORD
02-23-2004, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
It's gonna have to be a governor, and not Jeb. I like Engler.

How about Gary Locke. He's a Republican :D

John Ashcroft
02-23-2004, 12:53 PM
I think Gary Coleman should go national. He'd be my pick.

FORD
02-23-2004, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
I think Gary Coleman should go national. He'd be my pick.

Nope. There's this media driven idea that the taller guy always wins the election - which the "Democrats who Love Corporatism" have obviously bought into. Gary Coleman would never have a chance. Even Perot and Kucinich are taller than him!

John Ashcroft
02-23-2004, 01:07 PM
So that's why Dean didn't get the nomination... I should've known! :D

FORD
02-23-2004, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
So that's why Dean didn't get the nomination... I should've known! :D

The theory's not perfect though. Bill Bradley was an ex NBA star, and it didn't seem to help him in 2000.

ELVIS
02-24-2004, 08:10 AM
Julianni in '08 !!

:elvis:

John Ashcroft
02-24-2004, 08:17 AM
Yep, America's mayor would wipe the floor with that cunt Hillary. I believe our party better get it's shit together for '08 or we'll have at least another 4 and maybe 8 years of another Clinton administration. If we nominate Jeb Bush I'm gonna be pissed (nothing at all against the man, it's just it'd be a sure loss).

FORD
02-24-2004, 08:57 AM
If any Bush is able to run for office after the damage caused by Junior's Fraudministration, then there truly are stupid sheep out there.

John Ashcroft
02-24-2004, 09:11 AM
Nah, I just think we'd be pushing our luck. Name recognition can only get you so far. And I don't see Jeb as a source of excitement. Hillary on the other hand will bring out your base in high numbers.