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  • Nickdfresh
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    • Oct 2004
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    The Republicans Screwed Themselves!

    Political Fallout Over Schiavo Law

    March 23, 2005

    "To simply say that the 'culture of life'... means that we don't have to pay attention to the principles of federalism or separation of powers is certainly not a conservative viewpoint."

    Former Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga.



    Florida Democratic State Sen. Larcenia Bullard, seen here in debate over the Schiavo bill, considered backing it but voted "no," slamming the tactics of demonstrators who yelled insults at lawmakers. (Photo: AP)

    Demonstrators supporting re-inserting the feeding tube for Terri Schiavo proclaim their message in front of the White House on Wednesday, after two days of losses in federal courts. (Photo: AP)


    (CBS/AP) Congressional leaders have insisted their only motivation in getting involved in the Terri Schiavo case was saving a life. But Americans aren’t buying that argument, a CBS News poll finds.

    An overwhelming 82 percent of the public believes the Congress and President should stay out of the matter.

    Just 13 percent of those polled think Congress intervened in the case out of concern for Schiavo, while 74 percent think it was all about politics. Of those polled, 66 percent said the tube should not be inserted compared to 27 percent who want it restored. The issue has generated strong feelings, with 78 percent of those polled -- whether for either side of the issue -- saying they have strong feelings.

    Public approval of Congress has suffered as a result; at 34 percent, it is the lowest it has been since 1997, dropping from 41 percent last month. Now at 43 percent, President Bush’s approval rating is also lower than it was a month ago.


    Over the weekend, Republicans in Congress pushed through unprecedented emergency legislation aimed at prolonging the brain-damaged woman's life by allowing the case to be reviewed by federal courts.

    Since then, a federal judge and a federal appeals panel have turned down a request by Schiavo's parents to order doctors to reconnect the feeding tube that's kept their daughter alive for the past 15 years.

    Wednesday afternoon, the case was rejected by the full 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. It could still be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Late Wednesday, leaders of the U.S. House filed papers with the Supreme Court supporting the parents' wishes to have the feeding tube restored -- even though the parents have not yet appealed to the high court. The House leaders, including House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, and Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., argues that federal courts so far have misinterpreted the special Schindler legislation, and that the federal courts are required to keep Schiavo alive until a new review of her case.

    President Bush, who rushed back from his Texas ranch to sign the bill early Monday, defended the actions he and Congress have taken on Schiavo's behalf, but said the White House has no further legal options.

    "We felt like the actions taken with Congress was the best course of action," Mr. Bush said Wednesday.

    White House spokesman Scott McClellan later said, "There really are not other legal options available to us."

    CBS News Correspondent Wyatt Andrews reports there is evidence some Republicans saw a political opening in the Schiavo case, by framing her plight in the context of pro-life or anti-abortion politics.

    One memo circulating in the Senate last week touted how the "pro-life base will be excited by the issue."

    Republican leaders strongly disavowed that, but on Friday, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay told the Family Research Council, a leading Christian group, that the Schiavo case was sent by heaven to focus attention on the helpless.

    "One thing that God has brought to us is Terri Schiavo, to help elevate the visibility of what's going on in America," said DeLay, R-Texas.

    He also described the stakes behind the Schiavo showdown as personal.

    "This is exactly the issue that's going on in America, the attacks against the conservative movement, against me and against many others."

    However, not all conservatives are happy with the decision by Congress and President Bush to intervene in the Schiavo case.

    Former Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., said the new law was an example of the big government conservatives have always opposed.

    "To simply say that the 'culture of life,' or whatever you call it means that we don't have to pay attention to the principles of federalism or separation of powers is certainly not a conservative viewpoint," said Barr.

    Republican Sen. John Warner of Virginia voted against the legislation, saying it goes against the conservative principles of federalism.

    "That the misfortunes of life vested upon Theresa Marie Schiavo are a human tragedy, no one can deny. I said my prayers, as did many Americans, as we attended religious services this Palm Sunday," he said. "I believe it unwise for the Congress to take from the state of Florida its constitutional responsibility to resolve the issues in this case."

    Democrats tried to block the legislation from coming to a vote on the floor of Congress, and some accused the Republicans of acting out of political motives.

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said "Congressional leaders have no business substituting their judgment for that of multiple state courts that have extensively considered the issues in this intensely personal family matter."

    "This rush to exploit a personal tragedy is not fair to those involved and will not create good policy," she said.

    And Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., said, "If you don't want a decision to be made politically, why in the world do you ask 535 politicians to make it?"


    ©MMV, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.
    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 03-24-2005, 05:05 PM.
  • academic punk
    Full Member Status

    • Dec 2004
    • 4437

    #2
    This defintely hurt the religious rights cause.

    While it may have "solidified" the base, it definitely alienated non-religious republicans, and independents.

    It also DEEPLY pissed off ALL the country's courts, both state and federal.

    Damage control mode begins now.

    Rudy, '08.

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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49205

      #3
      Originally posted by academic punk
      This defintely hurt the religious rights cause.

      While it may have "solidified" the base, it definitely alienated non-religious republicans, and independents.

      It also DEEPLY pissed off ALL the country's courts, both state and federal.

      Damage control mode begins now.

      Rudy, '08.
      GOOD! Maybe people will wake up and realize what a bunch of self-serving, phoney A-HOLES these fanatics are!

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49205

        #4
        The CBS Poll

        WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO TERRI SCHIAVO NOW?

        Re-insert tube
        27%

        Do not re-insert
        66%


        Both Catholics and Protestants think the tube should not be re-inserted now. Liberals and moderates both believe the tube should not be re-inserted; conservatives are more closely divided. Most Democrats and Republicans agree the tube should remain out at this point. A strong majority of Americans in every age group says the tube should not be re-inserted now.

        President Bush signed the legislation concerning Terri Schiavo on Sunday night, but a majority of those who voted for him last November do not think the feeding tube should be re-inserted. John Kerry's voters agree.

        Most Americans do not now think the case ought to go further up the judicial system. A majority, 61 percent, says the case should not be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court, while 37 percent say the court should hear the case.

        SHOULD SCHIAVO CASE BE HEARD BY U.S. SUPREME COURT?

        Yes
        37%

        No
        61%


        Overall, views on what should happen to Terri Schiavo now closely match what Americans think should have happened to her leading up to now. 61 percent think that the feeding tube ought to have been removed, while fewer -- 28 percent -- think it ought to have remained in place.

        But whatever their stance on the issue, more than three in four say they feel "strongly" about their views on the matter. Majorities of those on both sides feel strongly.

        HOW STRONGLY DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS ISSUE?

        Strongly
        All
        78%
        Don't re-insert tube now
        85%
        Re-insert tube now
        77%

        Not strongly
        All
        19%
        Don't re-insert tube now
        13%
        Re-insert tube now
        20%

        That intensity of feeling cuts across religions, and religiosity. Both Catholics and Protestants feel strongly about their stance, as do both evangelical and non-evangelical Christians. Those who attend religious services frequently say they feel strongly, and so do those who attend less often.

        More than three-fourths of the public -- 76 percent -- say they are following the story either very or somewhat closely. This is about as high as the 79 percent who reported they were closely following the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal in May 2004, and higher than the 61 percent who closely followed the Congressional hearings surrounding the 9/11 investigation in April 2004.

        INVOLVEMENT BY THE CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT
        The vast majority of Americans say Congress and the President should stay out of the Schiavo matter.

        SHOULD CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT BE INVOLVED IN SCHIAVO MATTER?

        Yes
        13%

        No
        82%


        There are no partisan political differences on this issue: majorities of Democrats (89 percent), Republicans (72 percent), liberals (84 percent) and conservatives (76 percent) are in agreement that the government should not be involved. 68 percent of white evangelicals think that Congress and the President should stay out of the Schiavo case.

        And Congress' motives for being involved are seen as driven by political calculations, not compassion.

        WHY DO YOU THINK CONGRESS GOT INVOLVED?


        They care about Terri Schiavo
        13%

        Trying to advance political agenda
        74%


        Congress' involvement in the case may have damaged the public’s view of that institution. In this poll, 34 percent approve of the way Congress is handling its job, down from 41 percent last month, while 49 percent now disapprove, up from 44 percent last month. This is the lowest approval rating Congress has received since December 1997, in the wake of Congressional hearings into Democratic fundraising practices.

        CONGRESS JOB APPROVAL

        Approve
        Now
        34%

        2/2005
        41%

        Disapprove
        Now
        49%

        2/2005
        44%


        THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT
        In general, Americans believe the issue of whether a family can remove a patient from life support is not for government at any level to decide. Just 9 percent say the Federal government should decide such matters, 13 percent say these are state matters, and 75 percent say government should stay out altogether.

        ROLE OF GOVERNMENT IN DECIDING LIFE SUPPORT CASES

        Federal government should decide
        9%
        State government should decide
        13%
        Government should stay out
        75%


        Americans of all political persuasions -- Republicans, Democrats, conservatives and liberals alike -- share similar feelings on this issue.

        The public also foresees troubling ramifications from this case: two-thirds are concerned that Congress' actions in this matter will set a precedent, making it easier for the legislature to intervene in individuals' lives in the future.

        WILL CONGRESS' ACTIONS THIS WEEK MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO INTERVENE IN THE FUTURE?

        Yes, and concerned about it
        68%

        Yes, but not concerned about it
        9%

        No
        17%


        ATTITUDES TOWARD LIFE AND DEATH
        This poll also asked Americans general views on life and death decisions in these kinds of matters.

        There is an overwhelming view among Americans that if they themselves were in a coma, they would want their feeding tube removed. 82 percent say so; only 14 percent say they would not want their doctor to remove the feeding tube to let them die in that scenario. This was also the case when the CBS News Poll asked the question back in 1990; then 85 percent said they would want their feeding tube removed.

        IF YOU WERE IN A COMA, WOULD YOU WANT YOUR DOCTOR TO REMOVE THE FEEDING TUBE AND LET YOU DIE?

        Yes-

        Now
        82%

        1990
        85%

        No

        Now
        14%

        1990
        11%


        In general, 73 percent say if a patient is in a coma with no brain activity, a close family member should have the right to tell the doctor to remove the feeding tube and let the patient die. 17 percent say family members should not have this right. Conservatives are somewhat less likely than liberals and moderates to say this, but 62 percent of them still think so. Back in 1990, even more Americans -- 81 percent -- thought a close family member should have the right to tell a doctor to remove a feeding tube.

        IF PATIENT IS IN A COMA, SHOULD CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER BE ABLE TO HAVE DOCTOR REMOVE THE FEEDING TUBE AND LET THE PERSON DIE?

        Should
        Now
        73%
        1990
        81%

        Should not
        Now
        17%
        1990
        13%

        In general, in the absence of a legal directive, most Americans think a spouse has the ultimate authority in these matters. If a patient is in a vegetative state, has left no legal document stating what kind of medical care he or she would want, and family members disagree as to what should be done, 62 percent of Americans think the patient’s spouse should have the right to make the final decision about what should be done for the patient medically. 15 percent think the patient’s parents should make the final decision, and another 10 percent want the patient’s adult children to decide.

        WHO SHOULD MAKE THE FINAL DECISION IF THE PATIENT IS IN A VEGETATIVE STATE AND DID NOT LEAVE LEGAL INSTRUCTIONS?

        Spouse
        62%
        Parents
        15%
        Adult children
        10%

        In a separate situation, six in ten say if a doctor injects a terminally ill patient with a lethal dose of drugs at the person’s request it is not the same thing as murder. 28 percent say it is.

        IF A DOCTOR INJECTS TERMINALLY ILL PATIENT WITH LETHAL DOSE OF DRUGS AT THE PERSON’S REQUEST, IS THAT THE SAME AS MURDER?

        Same as murder
        Now
        28%
        1998
        30%

        Not the same
        Now
        63%
        1998
        61%

        Views on the matter are similar to what they were in November 1998, shortly after CBS' 60 Minutes aired Dr. Jack Kevorkian participating in the death of a terminally ill patient. Back then, 61 percent said a doctor injecting a patient with a lethal dose of drugs at the person’s request was not murder.

        LIVING WILL
        The Schiavo case highlights the importance of living wills -- legal documents that detail what kind of medical care individuals would want should they become unable to make medical decisions themselves. This poll shows that Terri Schiavo is far from alone in not having such a legal document: only one in three Americans say they have a living will; 67 percent say they do not.

        DO YOU HAVE A LIVING WILL?

        Yes
        33%
        No
        67%

        Older Americans, those who are college-educated, and Republicans are the most likely to currently have a living will. A majority of Americans age 65 and older say they have one.

        HAVE A LIVING WILL
        Total
        33%

        Gender
        Men
        31%
        Women
        34%

        Age
        18-29
        6%
        30-44
        23%
        45-64
        42%
        65+
        68%

        Currently Married
        Yes
        39%
        No
        25%

        Church attendance
        Every week
        42%
        Less often
        31%
        Never
        23%

        Education
        High School or less
        27%
        Some College
        28%
        College grad +
        48%

        Income
        < $30K
        24%
        $30K-$50K
        31%
        Over $50K
        40%

        Party Identification
        Republican
        44%
        Democrat
        29%
        Independent
        28%

        THE POLITICAL IMPACT OF THE SCHIAVO CASE
        As mentioned earlier, Congressional approval ratings have fallen since last month and are at their lowest point since 1997, and President Bush’s job approval ratings have also declined. 43 percent now approve of President Bush’s handling of his job as President; 48 percent disapprove.

        36 percent approve of President Bush’s handling of the economy, and 53 percent disapprove. Bush’s approval rating on Iraq has also dropped; 39 percent approve, down from 45 percent in late February; 53 percent now disapprove.

        BUSH JOB APPROVALS

        Overall
        Now
        43%

        2/2005
        49%

        Economy
        Now
        36%

        2/2005
        38%

        Iraq
        Now
        39%

        2/2005
        45%



        There is a strong partisan element to these views; the President’s approval rating is especially low among Democrats (11 percent approve), while 85 percent of Republicans approve.

        As a matter of national priority, the public continues to say the war in Iraq (26 percent) and the economy and jobs (15 percent) are the most important problems facing the U.S. today. Only 6 percent mention Social Security, about the same as last month.

        This poll was conducted among a nationwide random sample of 737 adults interviewed by telephone March 21-22, 2005. The error due to sampling could be plus or minus four percentage points for results based on all adults. Error for subgroups may be higher.

        Last edited by Nickdfresh; 03-24-2005, 06:46 PM.

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        • Warham
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Mar 2004
          • 14589

          #5
          lol

          From the party that's led by moveon.org. There's no fanatics there!

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          • Cathedral
            ROTH ARMY ELITE
            • Jan 2004
            • 6621

            #6
            Can't wait to see what happens in '06...........

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            • BigBadBrian
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jan 2004
              • 10625

              #7
              Originally posted by Cathedral
              Can't wait to see what happens in '06...........
              It certainly won't be determined by this case, Cat.
              “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 58785

                #8
                Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                It certainly won't be determined by this case, Cat.
                In and of itself, maybe not.

                But when you add the Chimp's attacks on Social Security & Medicare, the continued quagmire in Iraq, and any other stupid things PNAC may do in the meantime, not to mention $3.00/gallon gas prices by next summer, and the overall economic damage that will bring with it....

                ...even Diebold and the whore media won't be able to save the neocons this time. People are starting to wake up.
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • Warham
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 14589

                  #9
                  Na, when they see Hillary in '08, they'll still vote Republican.

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                  • FORD
                    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 58785

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Warham
                    Na, when they see Hillary in '08, they'll still vote Republican.
                    That ain't gonna happen.
                    Eat Us And Smile

                    Cenk For America 2024!!

                    Justice Democrats


                    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                    • Warham
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 14589

                      #11
                      Why not? Dean took himself out of the running. Kerry doesn't have a chance. Gore? No way!

                      Who's left?

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58785

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Warham
                        Why not? Dean took himself out of the running. Kerry doesn't have a chance. Gore? No way!

                        Who's left?
                        It's March of 2005. Who knows and who cares? Ask me again in March of 2007 after the new Congress starts the slow recovery from the BCE damage to this country.
                        Eat Us And Smile

                        Cenk For America 2024!!

                        Justice Democrats


                        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49205

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Warham
                          Na, when they see Hillary in '08, they'll still vote Republican.
                          Oh so everyone will vote AGAINST Hillary (if it happens). Who will they be voting for? Seems like you have a bunch of shits lined up. You know McCain will never past muster with the religious right!

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                          • Warham
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 14589

                            #14
                            Originally posted by FORD
                            It's March of 2005. Who knows and who cares? Ask me again in March of 2007 after the new Congress starts the slow recovery from the BCE damage to this country.
                            FORD,

                            You know she's going to run, and that's that. She's been going centrist lately just like her hubby did before '92, because if she went at it like a flaming liberal, she'd never win the nomination.

                            And the Congress will not turn majority Democrat in 2006, either.

                            I'll lay money on that.

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                            • Warham
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 14589

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                              Oh so everyone will vote AGAINST Hillary (if it happens). Who will they be voting for? Seems like you have a bunch of shits lined up. You know McCain will never past muster with the religious right!
                              Rudy might.

                              I'd vote for the guy.

                              Thing is, Nick, McCain is a favorite amongst the media, and will probably take some of those swing votes that would normally go Democrat since he puts himself out as a centrist. The religious right will ALWAYS back the Republican candidate, even if he doesn't back their agenda totally.

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