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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    Bush to Back Gay Marriage Ban Amendment

    2-24-04


    WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush backed a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage Tuesday, saying he wants to stop activist judges from changing the definition of the "most enduring human institution."

    Marriage cannot be severed from its cultural and moral roots, Bush said, urging Congress to approve such an amendment.

    "After more than two centuries of American jurisprudence and millenia of human experience, a few judges and local authorities are presuming to change the most fundamental institution of civilization," the president said. "Their action has created confusion on an issue that requires clarity."

    Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said in advance of Bush's announcement that the president wanted to end "growing confusion" that has arisen from court decisions in Massachusetts, and San Francisco's permitting more than 3,000 same sex unions.

    "The president believes it is important to have clarity," he said. "There is widespread support in this country for protecting and defending the sanctity of marriage."

    McClellan said Bush believes that legislation for such an amendment, submitted by Rep. Marilyn Musgrave, R-Colo., "meets his principles" in protecting the "sanctity of marriage" between men and women.

    But Bush did not specifically embrace any particular piece of legislation in his announcement. White House officials have said that support for Musgrave's proposed amendment has been unraveling in the Senate.

    Bush decided to take action partly because the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court recently ruled that it is unconstitutional to bar gay couples from marriage. That decision could result in gay weddings there as early as May, McClellan said. "We're two months away," he said.

    McClellan said 38 states have passed laws protecting the "sanctity of marriage and the president will call on Congress to move quickly to pass legislation that can then be sent to the states for ratification.

    "We need to act now," he said. "The constitutional process will take time."

    With the announcement, Bush is wading into a volatile social issue. The conservative wing of his party has been anxious for Bush to follow up his rhetoric on the issue with action. In recent weeks, Bush has repeatedly said he was "troubled" by the Massachusetts court decision and the gay marriages in San Francisco, but stopped short of endorsing a constitutional amendment.

    The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court recently ruled that it is unconstitutional to bar gay couples from marriage. Gay and lesbian couples from Europe and couples from more than 20 states have flocked to San Francisco City Hall since city officials decided to begin marrying same-sex couples a few days ago. At the current pace, more than 3,200 people will have taken vows by Friday promising to be "spouses for life."

    At least 38 states and the federal government have approved laws or amendments barring the recognition of gay marriage; last week, the Utah House gave final legislative approval to a measure outlawing same-sex marriages and sent it to the governor, who has not taken a position on the bill.

    Musgrave's proposed amendment would define marriage as a union between one man and one woman.

    Conservatives have been saying for a month that the White House had quietly assured them that Bush would take the step he was announcing on Tuesday.

    Last week, he met with 13 Roman Catholic conservatives. They included Deal Hudson, the publisher of Crisis magazine and a friend of Bush political adviser Karl Rove; William Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights; Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan, former speechwriter for President Reagan; and Kathryn Jean Lopez, associate editor of National Review magazine.

    Bush has indicated his support for a constitutional amendment in the past, including in a closed-door meeting with Republican lawmakers last month. At that session, according to one official in attendance, the president singled out Musgrave's proposal as one he could support, but did not endorse it.

    The amendment that Musgrave and other lawmakers are backing in the House says: "Neither this Constitution or the constitution of any state, nor state or federal law, shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups."


  • knuckleboner
    Crazy Ass Mofo
    • Jan 2004
    • 2927

    #2
    this is fucking ridiculious. we would be changing our CONSTITUTUION over symantics. over the definition of a fucking WORD. it trivializes the U.S. Constitution.

    bush isn't against a civil union. he just doesn't want it called, "marriage."

    Originially from cnn.com

    But Bush also said state legislatures should be left to define "legal arrangements other than marriage," suggesting that such an amendment would do nothing to stop states from allowing civil unions for same-sex couples.
    so, they CAN have a civil union that gives them the same rights. but they just can't call it marriage.

    while i think that outlawing ANY union between consenting adults of the same sex is wrong, at least it makes more sense than changing the Constitution based merely on the symantic definition of a word.

    hell, prohibition was also wrong, but it least it made more sense then changing the Constititution to outlaw alcohol, but to allow "fermented and distilled spirits."

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    • John Ashcroft
      Veteran
      • Jan 2004
      • 2127

      #3
      It'll never make it dude, he's pandering to the base. No worries, you and your boyfriend can enjoy a long life together...

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      • knuckleboner
        Crazy Ass Mofo
        • Jan 2004
        • 2927

        #4
        but can we get MARRIED? huh? how the hell am i going to get on "queer marriage for the gay 'undercarriage'" if it's illegal?!

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58759

          #5
          The fact that a constitutional ammendment to encourage bigotry is even being discussed is evidence of how far this country has gone down the shithole in the last three years.

          BTW, Judas is for the ammendment too, so voting for his ass won't stop it.

          Cheney's daughter, Ron Reagan Jr, Candace Gingrich and other gay relatives of right wing conservatives need to speak out against this fucking heresy against civil rights.
          Eat Us And Smile

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          • BigBadBrian
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jan 2004
            • 10620

            #6
            Originally posted by knuckleboner
            this is fucking ridiculious. we would be changing our CONSTITUTUION over symantics. over the definition of a fucking WORD. it trivializes the U.S. Constitution.

            bush isn't against a civil union. he just doesn't want it called, "marriage."



            so, they CAN have a civil union that gives them the same rights. but they just can't call it marriage.

            Marriage is religious institution hijacked by the politicos.

            If hassles over ONE WORD is no big deal then can we call African-Americans NEGRO or N****R?

            Is it now acceptable to call gay people FAGS?

            Those examples may be in a different context in what we're arguing about here, but it still illustrate the words have different meanings to different people.

            Food for thought.
            “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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            • knuckleboner
              Crazy Ass Mofo
              • Jan 2004
              • 2927

              #7
              dude, i agree with you to some extent. but at the same time, i don't think we should be making an amendment to our Constitution saying that the n-word is bad, either.

              and yeah, i know there are religious overtones for the concept of marriage.

              but still, in the U.S., marriage is equally as much a civil function. you've always been able to get married outside of a religious institution by a justice of the peace. and the ease of divorce (the ending of a valid "marriage" is certainly not within the bounds of most judeo-christian religious concepts.

              if i were arguing religion, i would say that the ease of divorce is doing more to harm the institution of religion than the prospect that 2 gay guys or chicks getting married is.

              i mean, think of it: currently, most people in america don't think that much of marriage. is it a lifetime committment, as religion says it should be? nope. everybody knows that over half of all marriages end in divorce. and it doesn't generally concern us when a marriage lasts less than a year.

              to me, saying that the thought that same-sex couples might want to get civilly married isn't nearly as strong a threat to the sanctity of marriage that the institution is supposed to be. yet that's where the amendment is.

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 58759

                #8
                Re: Bush to Back Gay Marriage Ban Amendment

                Originally posted by ELVIS
                The amendment that Musgrave and other lawmakers are backing in the House says: "Neither this Constitution or the constitution of any state, nor state or federal law, shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups."

                Uh, aren't ALL people "unmarried couples" before their wedding? This fucking idiot just made heterosexual marriage illegal too
                Eat Us And Smile

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                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • FORD
                  ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                  • Jan 2004
                  • 58759

                  #9
                  Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                  Marriage is religious institution hijacked by the politicos.

                  If hassles over ONE WORD is no big deal then can we call African-Americans NEGRO or N****R?

                  Is it now acceptable to call gay people FAGS?

                  No, but I wouldn't propose a constitutional ammendment to regulate the words either. For one thing, the rappers would never go for it.......
                  Eat Us And Smile

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                  "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                  • Catfish

                    #10
                    Originally posted by FORD
                    The fact that a constitutional ammendment to encourage bigotry is even being discussed is evidence of how far this country has gone down the shithole in the last three years.
                    Bigotry. Jesus Christ.

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                    • Guitar Shark
                      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 7576

                      #11
                      Originally posted by FORD
                      BTW, Judas is for the ammendment too, so voting for his ass won't stop it.
                      Where is the evidence that Kerry would support the proposed consitutional amendment?
                      ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                      Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                      Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                      • KANE

                        #12
                        Originally posted by knuckleboner
                        but can we get MARRIED? huh? how the hell am i going to get on "queer marriage for the gay 'undercarriage'" if it's illegal?!
                        LMAO !

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                        • KANE

                          #13
                          Originally posted by FORD
                          The fact that a constitutional ammendment to encourage bigotry is even being discussed is evidence of how far this country has gone down the shithole in the last three years.

                          BTW, Judas is for the ammendment too, so voting for his ass won't stop it.

                          Cheney's daughter, Ron Reagan Jr, Candace Gingrich and other gay relatives of right wing conservatives need to speak out against this fucking heresy against civil rights.
                          Last time i looked at a map there was hundreds of other countries you can pack up your backpack and move to ! by the way, do you have a job ? cause it seems like your always online.usually the people who whine like you do dont even pay fuckin taxes, they get welfare etc. if you want a job, i'll pay ya 30 bucks an hour to plant tulips this spring, 2 LIPS AROUND MY JOHNSON, you unhappy homo worshipper..god damn ive never seen a mother fucker piss & moan about how fucked up this country is, after just gettin back from fighting for your welfare, makes me wanna jump on the next plane to welfare,california and beat your fat ass into this american soil, you need to get the fuck out of this blessed country and see the rest of the world that ive seen, maybe then you'll get over that bed wetting problem you got, fuck it just shoot yourself ya miserable asshole ! And Sarge, im reporting myself again before someone else does for this post, this shit rattles my ass hairs, especially after my last tour, this boy needs to get out and get a fuckin clue..
                          Last edited by KANE; 02-24-2004, 05:49 PM.

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                          • ELVIS
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 44120

                            #14
                            FORD lives in Welfare Welfare Washington...

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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 58759

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Guitar Shark
                              Where is the evidence that Kerry would support the proposed consitutional amendment?
                              He said so the day that the Masshole Supreme Court ruled in favor of gay marriage. Then he tried to back away from it with a vague comment like "depends what the language is".

                              As usual, waffles are the breakfast served at Kamp Kerry.
                              Eat Us And Smile

                              Cenk For America 2024!!

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                              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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