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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    The war on Wal-Mart

    The war on Wal-Mart
    Bill Murchison


    April 12, 2005


    Wal-Mart's chief executive went on the attack the other day against the critics of the world's largest retailer. Just what is it, he wanted to know, that some noisy, nosy folk have against free choice?


    H. Lee Scott Jr. didn't put the matter nearly so bluntly, but he certainly might have, if the spirit had so moved him.

    Offering middle-class America the widest selection of goods at the lowest prices that market position and hard negotiating can achieve has become a form of oppression: That would seem to be the core of the hardening case against Wal-Mart.

    Who pleads that case? The United Food and Commercial Workers Union, backed by no-growthers and take-your-progress-and-shove-it types who want the chain's expansion halted.

    Weary of watching his company denounced as a grinder-down of the working class and a despoiler of the environment, Scott, in a meeting with the news media, called Wal-Mart "great for America." He extolled the chain's approach to business. He defended wage rates and benefits programs as fair. He wanted, not unreasonably, to know why "people would line up for jobs that are worse than they could get elsewhere, with fewer benefits and less opportunity."

    Good question. We'll see what kind of answer it gets. What is heartening is to sniff the prospect of good, open combat between those who presume to judge where Americans should shop and those who say to these same Americans: It's up to you!

    Possibly my first task here is to declare relative impartiality regarding Wal-Mart. Haven't shopped there or at a Sam's Club in 10 years or more. Couldn't tell you offhand where to find the nearest Wal-Mart. Can't think of anything I'd want to do there if I knew where to go. Don't really enjoy shopping, come to think of it!

    Well, that's my own business. Others make it their business to trade at Wal-Mart or Sam's Club as often as humanly possible. Is it my business to discourage them, then, through trying to block the building of new stores or agitating for the overthrow of the present employer-employee relationship? I'd say on the whole, no. Though others clearly wouldn't.

    The whole merit of free markets is supposed to be customer choice. If you don't feel like trading with Neiman Marcus, why, go on over to Wal-Mart. Or trade both places, depending on price, convenience and specific needs. The call is up to the customer -- theoretically.

    We know "the customer" isn't some paragon of wisdom and good judgment. He's not even one thing -- he's everybody. You let "him" choose what suits him best.

    Ah! But only (according to the union) if he shops where the union has a foothold. It might well mean higher prices, but, if so, tough. The United Food and Commercial Workers Union's take on our national needs is more acute than our own -- if you don't mind letting a union decide what's best for you.

    So with the union's inference that, even though 1.5 million people (worldwide) freely accept Wal-Mart's terms of employment, a little coercion by the union on wages and benefits would make their lives happier. Maybe. On the other hand, if the union's terms preclude profit levels that afford employment to 1.5 million people, employment is sure to shrink or slow down.



    The Wal-Mart-busters, when you get down to it, aren't unduly respectful of free choice, whether exercised by shoppers or workers. They've got their own ideas, which, in their own minds, take precedence over the ideas and notions of others.

    Did anyone really foresee American liberalism -- the creed, broadly speaking, of the Wal-Mart-busters -- becoming snobbish to this degree? Well, yeah, actually. From the 1930s, union organizers set out to hogtie large companies, thus restricting such latitude as those companies enjoyed to adapt, experiment and reach out.

    Then, on Wal-Mart, the unions ganged up with the no-growthers -- an odd combo, indeed, given labor's constant need for new jobs. You could call it Howard Dean's America. If you wanted to call it America.
    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49125

    #2
    Wal Mart, destroying America one town at a time!

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    • Stillwell
      Head Fluffer
      • Apr 2005
      • 202

      #3
      Close down Walmart? Where ever will the toothless hags and illegal Mexicans go?
      Originally posted by Brett
      Is life this boring in Syracuse?
      Originally posted by Jesterstar
      Life in Syracuse has been compared to your sex life, so yes it's lifeless and boring.
      http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/attac...&postid=496072

      Liberace move over, there’s a new Queen in town!

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      • Big Train
        Full Member Status

        • Apr 2004
        • 4011

        #4
        The toothless hags and illegals will just continue to cut your grass and be your "date" for the evening...

        Wal Mart IS oppressive. It's a faulty argument to say Freedom of Choice, when the choice is piss poor because it can't compete with the competition who have a store full of loss leaders.

        As a Republican, I have no problem with Wal Mart operating a successful business. I do have a problem when that causes more problems than it is worth for the overall economy. Do you think the P&G merger last month would have happened for any other reason than the manufacturers trying to hold the line against a company that either carries you under their terms or not at all? This is at the point of affecting the economy at a macro level, as the multi billion dollar merger means lost jobs and further consolidation. Which completes the vicious cycle of not being able to afford to shop anywhere else because you don't make enough and the other probably went out of business.

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        • Cathedral
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Jan 2004
          • 6618

          #5
          Wally World is a joke, and they still carry 'Live Without A Net'....

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          • Warham
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Mar 2004
            • 14587

            #6
            I shop at Wal*Mart from time to time, and even have them as one of my accounts, but I don't really like them too much.

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            • Stillwell
              Head Fluffer
              • Apr 2005
              • 202

              #7
              Originally posted by Big Train
              The toothless hags and illegals will just continue to cut your grass and be your "date" for the evening...

              Wal Mart IS oppressive. It's a faulty argument to say Freedom of Choice, when the choice is piss poor because it can't compete with the competition who have a store full of loss leaders.

              As a Republican, I have no problem with Wal Mart operating a successful business. I do have a problem when that causes more problems than it is worth for the overall economy. Do you think the P&G merger last month would have happened for any other reason than the manufacturers trying to hold the line against a company that either carries you under their terms or not at all? This is at the point of affecting the economy at a macro level, as the multi billion dollar merger means lost jobs and further consolidation. Which completes the vicious cycle of not being able to afford to shop anywhere else because you don't make enough and the other probably went out of business.
              Cry me a river and, while your at it, drown in it.
              Originally posted by Brett
              Is life this boring in Syracuse?
              Originally posted by Jesterstar
              Life in Syracuse has been compared to your sex life, so yes it's lifeless and boring.
              http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/attac...&postid=496072

              Liberace move over, there’s a new Queen in town!

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49125

                #8
                Originally posted by Warham
                I shop at Wal*Mart from time to time, and even have them as one of my accounts, but I don't really like them too much.
                So do I, honestly, though I try to avoid the place. There so much crap and white trash in the aisles, it's tough to get through!

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                • Big Train
                  Full Member Status

                  • Apr 2004
                  • 4011

                  #9
                  Stop being such a sensitive bitch stillwell...and pick better dates.

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                  • academic punk
                    Full Member Status

                    • Dec 2004
                    • 4436

                    #10
                    Whatever else you say...come on, THREE DOLLARS FOR A REFRIDGERATOR AND FREEZER SET!!!

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                    • Stillwell
                      Head Fluffer
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 202

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Big Train
                      Stop being such a sensitive bitch stillwell...and pick better dates.
                      Ever thought of becoming a musician? Word has it you play a marvelous skin flute. Hey, my legs are open, take your best shot on this instrument!
                      Originally posted by Brett
                      Is life this boring in Syracuse?
                      Originally posted by Jesterstar
                      Life in Syracuse has been compared to your sex life, so yes it's lifeless and boring.
                      http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/attac...&postid=496072

                      Liberace move over, there’s a new Queen in town!

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                      • ODShowtime
                        ROCKSTAR

                        • Jun 2004
                        • 5812

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Big Train
                        Do you think the P&G merger last month would have happened for any other reason than the manufacturers trying to hold the line against a company that either carries you under their terms or not at all? This is at the point of affecting the economy at a macro level, as the multi billion dollar merger means lost jobs and further consolidation.
                        good point
                        gnaw on it

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                        • ODShowtime
                          ROCKSTAR

                          • Jun 2004
                          • 5812

                          #13
                          They're puttin' one in right by my parents house and it pisses me off.

                          conversly, the one within walking distance of my new house kicks ass!
                          gnaw on it

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                          • academic punk
                            Full Member Status

                            • Dec 2004
                            • 4436

                            #14
                            THREE DOLLARS!!! FOR A FRIDGE AND FREEZER!!! COME ON!!!

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                            • Nitro Express
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 32794

                              #15
                              A real war on Wal-Mart is not doing business with Wal-Mart. Walmart uses their huge buying power to extort suppliers into doing whatever Walmart says. Price is the bottom line. Negotiating with Wal-Mart is a joke. They name a price and that's it, but they promise to buy a huge amount. Well known brandnames cut their quality on items sold to Wal-Mart and the result is shitty merchandise. Wal-Mart has also tried to eliminate tarrifs on Chinese made shit and has helped run US manufactures out of business or the company still exists, but the manufacturing is simply done in China.

                              Funny, Wal-Mart seems to be a favorite store of the US middle class but those are exactly the people who Wal-Mart responsible for indirectly destroying their manufacturing and middle management jobs.
                              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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