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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    Florida ends fight against abortion for 13-yr-old

    Florida ends fight against abortion for 13-yr-old


    May 3, 3:12 PM (ET)


    By Jim Loney

    MIAMI (Reuters) - Florida dropped its fight on Tuesday to prevent a 13-year-old girl in state care from having an abortion in a case that marked the state's second recent foray into controversial personal rights issues.

    Weeks after it unsuccessfully tried to intervene in the bitter dispute over the fate of a brain-damaged woman, Terri Schiavo, the state's Department of Children & Families said it would not appeal a ruling from a Palm Beach state court allowing the teenager to have an abortion.

    "There will be no further appeals and we will respectfully comply with the court's decision," DCF District Manager Marilyn Munoz said in a written statement.

    It was not immediately known if the girl, who is 14 weeks pregnant, had had the abortion.

    The case stirred concerns among civil libertarians who argued the child had a constitutional right to decide to have an abortion under state law and condemned the Florida government's attempts to interfere in personal rights.

    "You've got to be blind not to see a pattern here," said Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida. "The pattern is the state's hostility to the exercise of personal freedom ... when that personal freedom is not consistent with the prevailing ideology of the state government."

    Florida's governor is Jeb Bush, President Bush's younger brother, who was active in trying to keep Schiavo alive and who has said he personally opposes abortion.

    "It's a tragedy that a 13-year-old child would be in a vulnerable position where she could be made pregnant and it's a tragedy that her baby will be lost," Jeb Bush said on Tuesday. "There's no good news in this at all."

    The child, identified in court only as L.G., is a ward of the state who became pregnant when she ran away from a state-licensed group home. Under Florida law, a 13-year-old cannot consent to sex, making her pregnancy the result of a statutory rape.

    LEGAL GUARDIAN SAYS NO

    The Department of Children & Families, her legal guardian after her parents' rights were terminated, petitioned the courts to block an abortion, arguing she was not mature enough to make such a choice.

    It cited a state statute that says: "In no case shall the department consent to sterilization, abortion or termination of life support."

    Florida law, however, allows minors to choose to have abortions. Critics of the DCF action argued that the child's constitutional right overrode any conflicting state statute.

    "The constitutional right belongs to the child, and it belongs to the child even if the parents object," said Mary Coombs, a family law professor at the University of Miami. "In this case, DCF didn't have any more right than the parents."

    The DCF legal effort marked the second time in recent weeks the state welfare agency had tried to intervene in a high-profile case involving personal rights issues.

    It petitioned the courts to take custody of Terri Schiavo, the subject of a controversial right-to-die case in which her parents fought for years against attempts by her husband to remove her feeding tube and allow her to die.

    Critics condemned attempts by Jeb Bush to intervene in a family dispute in which courts had repeatedly ruled in favor of Schiavo's husband Michael, who said he was carrying out his wife's wishes. Terri Schiavo died on March 31.

    In the abortion case, Palm Beach County Judge Ronald Alvarez, who temporarily blocked the abortion last week, ruled on Monday that the girl could have the procedure over the objections of the DCF, her guardian.

    Mathew Staver, president of Orlando, Florida-based Liberty Counsel, a conservative advocacy group, said he was disappointed by the state's decision not to pursue appeals.

    "A second opinion is clearly warranted in a case where life and death is at stake," he said. "An appellate court should look at whether or not the girl is mature enough to make a decision like this."

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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    #2
    Re: Florida ends fight against abortion for 13-yr-old

    Originally posted by BigBadBrian


    LEGAL GUARDIAN SAYS NO

    The Department of Children & Families, her legal guardian after her parents' rights were terminated, petitioned the courts to block an abortion, arguing she was not mature enough to make such a choice.

    It cited a state statute that says: "In no case shall the department consent to sterilization, abortion or termination of life support."

    Florida law, however, allows minors to choose to have abortions. Critics of the DCF action argued that the child's constitutional right overrode any conflicting state statute.

    "The constitutional right belongs to the child, and it belongs to the child even if the parents object," said Mary Coombs, a family law professor at the University of Miami. "In this case, DCF didn't have any more right than the parents."

    Fucking insane.

    So much for being a parent in Florida. Turn 'em loose.

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    • Seshmeister
      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

      • Oct 2003
      • 35195

      #3
      I agree with the court wholeheartedly.

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      • 4moreyears
        Commando
        • Oct 2004
        • 1245

        #4
        Dumbass judges. A kid cant get an aspren without a note from a parent. But in Florida they can make a decision to get an abortion. If she was in the states care what the fuck is she doing pregnant in the first place.

        JH

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58786

          #5
          Meanwhile, Back in DeLay land.....

          May 2, 2005, 11:28PM

          Jackson Lee urges support for ill baby
          Lawmaker asks hospitals to treat infant despite terminal diagnosis
          By TODD ACKERMAN
          Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

          U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee intervened in Houston's latest end-of-life controversy Monday, asking that a terminally ill infant not be taken off life support.


          Jackson Lee appealed to Memorial Hermann Children's and Texas Children's hospitals in the case of Knya Dismuke-Howard, a 6-month-old girl whose leukemia has spread to her brain. After doctors said they'd exhausted all treatment options, a Memorial Hermann ethics committee decided last week to remove her from life support May 9.

          Jackson Lee called for Memorial Hermann to reconsider, or for Texas Children's to assume care. "I am concerned the custodial family members are being left out of the decision-making process (during) a difficult and tragic time," Jackson Lee, D-Houston, wrote both hospitals in letters faxed late Monday. "I am pleading on behalf of the baby, for its loved ones and its future."

          She met with Memorial Hermann Children's CEO Steve Allen and other physicians on the case Monday night. They told her they would take her plea under advisement.

          Texas Children's already had declined Dismuke-Howard's case twice, the second time Monday morning. After reviewing the infant's charts, they said they couldn't provide anything more than what Memorial Hermann was doing. Texas Children's CEO Mark Wallace will send Jackson Lee a letter to that effect today, officials said.

          The Dismuke-Howard case marks the third Houston controversy this spring over a 1999 state law that allows hospitals to stop treatment even if the patient's family members disagree. The doctor's recommendation must be approved by the hospital's ethics committee, and family members must be given 10 days written notice of the decision.

          Memorial Hermann's ethics committee decided Thursday, five months after diagnosing Dismuke-Howard with leukemia, that further care would be futile.

          Why aren't DeLay and the BCE all over this one?

          I can only guess at the answer.
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          • BigBadBrian
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jan 2004
            • 10625

            #6
            Originally posted by Seshmeister
            I agree with the court wholeheartedly.
            That's because you lack common sense. You've basically said being a guardian means nothing. If a child falls down at school and requires medical treatment, they need a parent's consent. A thirteen year old, however, is free to go and have an abortion without parental consent. Simply ridiculous. The baby killers win again, I suppose.
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            • BigBadBrian
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jan 2004
              • 10625

              #7
              Originally posted by FORD


              Memorial Hermann's ethics committee decided Thursday, five months after diagnosing Dismuke-Howard with leukemia, that further care would be futile.

              Why aren't DeLay and the BCE all over this one?

              I can only guess at the answer.
              OK, guess.

              Why wasn't Jackson-Lee all over the other case, one way or the other?

              The baby in this case should be given every chance to live. To hell with what doctors say. Bastards.
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              • Guitar Shark
                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                • Jan 2004
                • 7579

                #8
                Re: Florida ends fight against abortion for 13-yr-old

                Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                Under Florida law, a 13-year-old cannot consent to sex, making her pregnancy the result of a statutory rape.

                LEGAL GUARDIAN SAYS NO

                The Department of Children & Families, her legal guardian after her parents' rights were terminated, petitioned the courts to block an abortion, arguing she was not mature enough to make such a choice.

                It cited a state statute that says: "In no case shall the department consent to sterilization, abortion or termination of life support."

                Florida law, however, allows minors to choose to have abortions.
                Frankly I'm not sure where I come out on this one. The Florida laws seem fundamentally inconsistent. A Florida law says that a 13-year old cannot consent to sex, making her pregnancy the result of a statutory rape. But another Florida law provides that minors can choose to have abortions. Why are Florida 13-year-olds mature enough to decide to have an abortion, but not mature enough to consent to sex?? Seems a bit... off.
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                Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49205

                  #9
                  A pregnant 13-year-old ward of the state does seem pretty fucking awful.

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                  • 4moreyears
                    Commando
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 1245

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                    A pregnant 13-year-old ward of the state does seem pretty fucking awful.
                    Seems like the state fucked up in the first place.

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                    • American Gypsy
                      Groupie
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 69

                      #11
                      the law provides a vehicle for a minor who was perhaps raped the legal protection needed to abort without facing murder or manslaughter charges.

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                      • BigBadBrian
                        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 10625

                        #12
                        Originally posted by American Gypsy
                        the law provides a vehicle for a minor who was perhaps raped the legal protection needed to abort without facing murder or manslaughter charges.
                        You know, I could deal with the situation if it were these possibilities. But it seems according to this article that ANY 13 year old can choose to abort without parental consent.

                        For me, I'm bitching about the lack of a voice of the parents in a situation such as this. It's not about the abortion for me. Parents are slowly being denied their rights as parents all over this country and society wonders why kids are so fucked up.
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                        • DrMaddVibe
                          ROTH ARMY ELITE
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 6682

                          #13
                          Florida is just too far advanced for you people.

                          We're loosening gun laws, starving disabled people to death, surfing, building more roller coasters, offering abortions to minors...you can't handle it?

                          Stay in New York!
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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49205

                            #14
                            If she's a ward of the state, then her parents are probably drug addicts or something or are otherwise long out of the picture.

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                            • American Gypsy
                              Groupie
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 69

                              #15
                              You could write a book about laws that are flaunted in inappropriate ways. Never the less, the process of having an abortion is not quite as simple as it's depicted in 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High'.
                              A kid can't just go into a clinic and pick one up during lunch.

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